
Second Nature
The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman
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Aug 20, 2024 • 1h 12min
How Oura's Product Design Goes Far Beyond Athletes
If you've ever used an app to track your movement, there's a solid chance that today's guest had a hand in developing it. Maris Jameson's approach to product design and her story of how she got here is just as inspiring as it is thought-provoking. While Maris's journey started in footwear design, she made some interesting pivots along the way to find her true calling. With experience at MapMyRun and Nike Fit Club, she now works as a product designer at Oura, where she impacts millions of users from professional athletes to those of us who are just taking their first steps toward a healthier lifestyle. Show notes: Oura Ring: Compassionate Product Launch: https://ouraring.com/blog/new-personalized-activity-features/?srsltid=AfmBOorU8LKUDCpxQp4XxFCtuC_KmdCArdIev7jNQW7r_aM39ikUtSaY Maris Jameson: https://ouraring.com/blog/building-movement-for-all-at-oura-meet-maris-j-our-activity-product-manager/ Under Armour Connected Tech: https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/t/connected-shoes-page.html Mary Cain NYT Article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/opinion/nike-running-mary-cain.html Oura - All Hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T7wU3sIXHw Aaron's BPC: SEEQ Protein Mix: bit.ly/3SKKMA6

Aug 16, 2024 • 1h 9min
Building A Content Strategy Playbook For Events
This week we break down the Athlete and Brand panel from Trailcon, and how we'll continue to build on that conversation. Aaron and Dylan expand on their experience working together in the same context when Dylan was signed on Red Bull. We follow that up with a discussion about Freetrail's upcoming media plan for UTMB, and Aaron shares a new content strategy that Dylan and the team can employ at future events to broaden the reach of their content in mid- and short-form offerings. We move from there to a discussion about "Nostalgia Culture" and its impact on the outdoor industry before wrapping with our favorite examples from the world of Brand, Product and Content from the week. Links: Trailcon - Athlete and Brand Panel: https://open.spotify.com/episode/32JLAX0Ds7UEE5Ckw04zsT?si=2cbc8e3cd630460e Freetrail Trailgating Coverage: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzJmxVu-7Gn91JXbD751L05DI0YUGPWiT Nostalgia Culture Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dylan-bowman-06174380_were-stuck-in-a-nostalgia-loop-feel-free-activity-7229234429129318401-R2M9 Sierra Zinal - Golden Trail Series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPG3KNtrL3E NBC Closing Ceremony: https://youtu.be/9CahdsQFjwQ?si=cOw0BY0Y6XRbohxF&t=202 Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/08ILHaCFj9SabAvWe2ORD4?si=1898c92bfe594a4c Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Aug 13, 2024 • 58min
How Jess Fiaschetti & OutsidePR Help Outdoor Brands Succeed
Jess Fiaschetti is the President of OutsidePR, a boutique public relations firm specializing in the outdoor and endurance sport markets. They represent brands like HOKA, Cotopaxi, Red Bull, Wild Rye, Oiselle, Sun Valley Resort, among many others. We talk about OutsidePR's expansion to the Australian and New Zealand market, building long-term relationships with clients, what makes the outdoor space unique for PR, how the changes in media are impacting PR generally, how to measure ROI for clients, and a lot more! Links: Wild Fang's Debbie Harry capsule -- Lutze's BPC Cotopaxi Founder Davis Smith on HIBT (first, second) -- Dylan's BPC Basecamp Outdoor Jobs FOLLOW OUR LINKEDIN PAGE FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER

Aug 9, 2024 • 1h 2min
Courtney Dauwalter's Signature Shoe & Olympic Outdoor Sports
Second Nature is a weekly podcast about the business of outdoor, action, and endurance sports, hosted by Dylan Bowman and Aaron Lutze. This week we talk about Strava jockeys, Courtney Dauwalter's signature shoe, the impact of the Olympic games on outdoor sports, and have a job of the week at the end. As usual we finish with Brand, Product, Content (BPC) where we leave listeners with a couple fun things to check out. Links: Strava Jockeys Courtney Dauwalter's signature shoe Yeti Map the Gaps FOLLOW OUR LINKEDIN PAGE FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER

Aug 6, 2024 • 1h 3min
How Ian Gates Helps Outdoor Brands Protect Intellectual Property
Second Nature is a weekly podcast about the business of outdoor, action, and endurance sports, hosted by Dylan Bowman and Aaron Lutze. This week we speak with Ian Gates from KRDG Law, an intellectual property law firm based in Portland, OR that works with many outdoor brands to navigate the trademark and patent process, protecting their IP in the marketplace. We talk about the importance of protecting IP, the difference between trademarks, patents, and copyrights, and provide some practical examples from Ian's client base. As usual we finish with Brand, Product, Content (BPC) where we leave listeners with a couple fun things to check out. Links: Ian's Email Address - ian@krdglaw.com KRDG Law Joyride Snowboards Avoli Volleyball Shoes Helinox Outdoor Chair Knix (Ian's BPC) FOLLOW OUR LINKEDIN PAGE FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER

Aug 2, 2024 • 57min
Ultrarunning Magazine Acquisition & HOKA's Massive Quarter
Second Nature is a weekly podcast about the business of outdoor, action, and endurance sports, hosted by Dylan Bowman and Aaron Lutze. This week we discuss Steep Life Media's recent acquisition of Ultrarunning Magazine, a recent NYT article about the thriving world of niche print outdoor magazines, and the massive earnings announcement from HOKA and Deckers. As usual we finish with Brand, Product, Content (BPC) where we leave listeners with a couple fun things to check out. Links: Steep Life Media buys Ultrarunning Mag NYT article on print magazines Deckers earnings Small brands topping the charts in running retail Magna (Dylan's BPC) Escape Collective FOLLOW OUR LINKEDIN PAGE FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER

Jul 31, 2024 • 1h 13min
How Michael Brandt Built An Eight-Figure Ketone Empire
Michael Brandt is the Co-Founder and CEO of Ketone IQ -- a cutting edge ketone supplement that has become incredibly popular in the world of endurance sport and has grown into an eight figure business. Michael is also a passionate athlete, 2:40 marathoner, and computer scientist who synthesizes all his life experience into his business career. Ketone IQ has also been a great partner of Freetrail -- Visit ketone.com/freetrail30 to get 30% off your subscription of this game changing product.

Jul 25, 2024 • 55min
Renegade Running, Nike’s Olympic Ad, & Super Rider’s International Expansion
Second Nature is a weekly podcast about the business of outdoor, action, and endurance sports, hosted by Dylan Bowman and Aaron Lutze. This week we discuss Renegade Running's expansion to SoCal, Nike's new Olympic ad spot, & Super Rider's expansion into the chinese MTB market. We also discuss a couple open roles at Red Bull and lululemon. As usual we finish with Brand, Product, Content (BPC) where we leave listeners with a coupel fun things to check out. Links: Renegade Running's Fundraising Nike Ad Red Bull job lululemon job Bandit's Olympic kit FOLLOW OUR LINKEDIN PAGE FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER

Jul 23, 2024 • 1h 13min
How Brendan Madigan builds community through outdoor retail & events
Brendan Madigan wears a lot of hats in the outdoor industry. He's the owner of Alpenglow Sports, an outdoor specialty retailer in Tahoe City, CA, and the Race Director of Broken Arrow, one of the biggest trail races in North America. Brendan is also a partner of TrailCon, the trail running conference we've discussed on the podcast many times. Topics: Brendan's background The beauty and challenge of retail businesses Building community The space for product disruption The importance of being a practitioner Brendan's events: Speaker Series and Broken Arrow TrailCon BPC! American Flannel American Giant Anthill Productions

Jul 19, 2024 • 1h 1min
Canyon's Partnership with LeBron James & Red Bull's Revolutionary Athlete Strategy
Second Nature is a weekly podcast about the business of outdoor, action, and endurance sports, hosted by Dylan Bowman and Aaron Lutze. This week we discuss Canyon Bicycles and their recently announced partnership with LeBron James. Then we talk about Aaron's recent trip to Red Bull HQ and some learnings from the visit. We discuss a big open role in the outdoor industry - Global VP of Footwear for The North Face. As usual we finish with Brand, Product, Content where we have a fun overlap this week. Links: LeBron x Canyon Global VP of Footwear, TNF On's Lightspray How I Built This, On Athletic Shoes FOLLOW OUR LINKEDIN PAGE FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER