
Second Nature
The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman
Latest episodes

Sep 24, 2024 • 57min
Business Is Hard
Dylan and Aaron dig in to the real issues that they face as business owners and content creators, and the tactics that they might pursue to push past their current boundaries. They also riff on a "Galaxy Brain" idea that is sure to bring out some strong opinions and ideas of how best to support deserving athletes in the outdoor space. After that, it's a deep dive into an article titled "The End Of Big Surf" and the cautionary tale that could apply to outdoor sports in the future. The episodes wraps up as always with Job of the Week and BPC, with plenty of brands, product and content to highlight this week. Links: James Smith "Why I Quit" Video: https://youtu.be/VPH47CfCmL0 Ed Lawrence: https://youtu.be/M8W2wGRADIM Sally McRae at Trailcon: https://open.spotify.com/episode/32JLAX0Ds7UEE5Ckw04zsT?si=95e53ca3af7e4add Steve Holmberg Substack: https://steveholmberg.substack.com/ The End Of Big Surf: https://surfingworld.com.au/the-end-of-big-surf/ Bobby Hundreds - Brand Is Dead: https://substack.com/@bobbyhundreds/p-147787011 Job Of The Week - Canyon Sr. Brand Manager (US): https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/sr-manager-brand-and-marketing-at-canyon-bicycles-us-4023550253/ BPC: Barbarian Days: https://amzn.to/3TuyRqw DSTNC: https://www.dstnc.com/ TTL Naysh App: https://thattriathlonlife.com/blogs/journal/paula-prepares-to-race-uci-time-trials Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Sep 20, 2024 • 1h 6min
Brands and Athletes at UTMB
Dylan is back from UTMB with all the stories to share about the event - and more specifically, all the brands and athlete stories from the week. We run through all the top brand and product launches, discuss the key moments of the week, and dive into Dylan's Extremely Scientific Top 3 Athlete Kit Ranking. Also discussed was the ambush marketing on display and some of the new brands that appeared this year at the event. Links: Freetrail UTMB Trailgating: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzJmxVu-7Gn8TNh-hsJG1DpPdh4TSq-ST Hoka at UTMB: https://www.hoka.com/en/us/hoka-utmb/ UTMB Champ - Vincent Bouillard Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHpms_dnQ0I Salomon S LAB Ultra Glide Shoes: https://www.salomon.com/en-us/ultraglide Norda 005 Shoes: https://footwearnews.com/shoes/sneaker-news/norda-005-trail-running-super-shoe-1203678149/ TNF Yves Klein Kit: https://www.thenorthface.com/en-us/collections/summit-series#trail-run Wise Trail Running: https://en.wisetrailrunning.com/ Matt Walsh/Trailmix UTMB Viewership Data: https://wearetrailmix.substack.com/p/utmb-is-growing-but-where-are-the Matter of Brand/Matt Trappe - UTMB Ambush Marketing: https://amatterofbrand.substack.com/p/blowing-the-speakers-at-utmb?r=3a0aix BPC: The North Face Campaign: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKTwnQMb2vw Freefly Systems: https://freeflysystems.com/ Glue Guys Podcast: https://joincolossus.com/series/glue-guys/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Sep 17, 2024 • 1h 9min
How Red Bull Rampage Made A Huge Step Forward
We are on the cusp of a meaningful inflection point in the world of mountain biking. For the first time in its 20+ year history, Red Bull Rampage will welcome an entire field of women to the event. This wasn't a snap decision, it came from dedicated people like Katie Holden, who worked with the brand, the event organizers, and the riders to create the momentum to make this a reality. In this podcast, we dig into the backstory of how this came to be - and we have an unfiltered conversation about the struggles and successes that eventually unlocked such an important opportunity for the sport of mountain biking. Links: Red Bull Rampage: https://www.redbull.com/us-en/events/rampage Women's Roster: https://www.redbull.com/us-en/events/rampage/women-athlete-roster Red Bull Formation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvgbMsrgAC0 Katie's Trophy Truck Jump in Mexico: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbHJO42lBCc Casey Brown: https://www.instagram.com/casey__brown__/ Rebecca Rusch - Blood Road: https://www.redbull.com/us-en/films/blood-road Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Sep 13, 2024 • 1h 14min
The State Of Outdoor Specialty Retail
Matt Sharkey rejoins the podcast for this week's dive into outdoor industry news. We start with the state of the industry for outdoor retail. Matt and Aaron go deep on specialty retail and some of the emerging brands in the space - including a brand called Satisfy, who just made an interesting hire to expand their offering to include footwear. Building on that conversation, we explore which "Challenger Brand" is most likely to unseat Nike at the top (and if it could even be possible). Next, we dive into an acquisition in the metabolic health space, followed by our closing segment where we highlight our favorite things in brand, product and content. Links: Build by Tony Fadell: https://amzn.to/4gpfzwM The Rise and Rise of David Geffen: https://amzn.to/3zhYUu6 The War of Art: https://amzn.to/3TtNIS5 Satisfy Brand: https://satisfyrunning.com/ Oura x Veri: https://ouraring.com/blog/welcoming-veri-and-furthering-our-metabolic-health-ambitions/ BPC: Wild Company book: https://amzn.to/4d5COJ6 HIBT with Banana Republic: https://podcasts.apple.com/mx/podcast/banana-republic-mel-and-patricia-ziegler/id1150510297?i=1000664839923 Red Bull x Prada bike video: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_0kFJGIbZk/ Red Bull x Prada wakeskate base jump: https://www.instagram.com/redbull/reel/C0bpOHni9w1/ Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Sep 11, 2024 • 1h 5min
Content Collaboration Masterclass with Jess The Maker
Jess The Maker is an internet sensation from the mountain bike world, creating fun and accessible content that connects riders of all skill levels and makes the newest members of the sport feel welcome. In just two years, she's developed a massive following, which has turned content creation into her career. In this episode, she shares insights for content creators and brands alike - everything from pitching partnerships to best practices for collaboration. Aaron was taking notes the entire episode - you might want to grab a pen and paper for this one, too. Show Notes: Jess The Maker on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessthemaker Jess The Maker on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jessthemaker Dirt Scouts: https://dirtscouts.co/ BPC: Olympic Mountain Biking and Tom Cruise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CahdsQFjwQ&t=202s Rebecca Rusch - Brain Storm Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kirqcZGSPq0 Brain Storm Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/womens-performance/id1559405048 Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Sep 6, 2024 • 59min
Why Brands Are Suddenly Focused On Performance
Steve Holmberg, a brand strategy expert, returns to discuss the industry's pivot from athleisure to performance-oriented products. He examines the recent acquisition of MapMyFitness by Outside+, shedding light on shifting dynamics in global retail. The conversation dives into innovative tech transforming athletic performance and the delicate balance brands face between style and functionality. Holmberg also emphasizes the importance of consumer trust and quality in enhancing brand integrity. Join the discussion for insights into the future of performance branding!

Sep 3, 2024 • 52min
The Athlete Who Solved Retail
Jamie O'Brien is a legendary surfer, content creator, and now owner of multiple retail locations throughout Hawaii and California. The Jamie O'Brien Surf Experience builds on the momentum that Jamie has developed over the past decade of producing films and YouTube content. After experiencing one of Jamie's retail locations in Hawaii firsthard, Aaron recounts his experience to fellow athlete content creator Eric Lagerstrom to break down everything he learned. After a bit of backstory as to how Jamie got here, Aaron and Eric dive into how they might apply those same lessons to other sports. Links: Jamie O'Brien Surf Experience Jamie's YouTube Channel Jamie's Stay Psyched Clothing Line Jamie on Instagram Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Aug 30, 2024 • 1h 2min
Ex-Nike Employee: The Industry Upheaval
Steve Holmberg joins Aaron this week on the Friday podcast to fill in for Dylan while he's out of the country at the super bowl of trail running, UTMB. Steve was a director of strategy and consumer insights at Nike for the past 17 years, and has a wealth of knowledge and experience to pull from during this session, giving context to the latest in outdoor industry news and prompting some galaxy brain discussions as well. Show Notes: Stephen Holmberg on Linked In StockX: Jordan and Nike down double-digits Kevin Plank can't let go of Under Armour Has running gear gone too far? The rise of run clubs Brand, Product, Content: Steve's BPC: Snoop Dogg x Solo Stove Aaron's BPC: The Personal Brand Foundry Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Aug 27, 2024 • 1h 14min
Getting Into (And Out Of) The Outdoor Industry
Matt Sharkey joins the pod! Our good friend and mentor with a wealth of experience and insight from a career in and out of the Outdoor industry was in town for a special chat to lay the groundwork for what we hope will be many, many more appearances. As someone who has worked in skate, music, retail, softgoods, tech, CPG and ran his own agency, his perspective on building a career is one-of-a-kind. Sharkey is another great example of someone who has raised their hand on multiple occasions, and opportunities have come his way as a result. BPC Links: Matt: 100 Reasons Why - Adidas Terrex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBKsRpAns48 Aaron: Layers Of The Games: https://www.instagram.com/p/C-dLOFgvOxM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Dylan: Build by Tony Faddell: https://amzn.to/3As7ZRj Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/08ILHaCFj9SabAvWe2ORD4?si=1898c92bfe594a4c Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

Aug 23, 2024 • 1h 1min
Arc'Teryx Footwear Growth & Evolving Athlete Team Models
This we discuss the latest earning announcement from Amer Sports and specifically about the massive momentum for Arc’Teryx driven by growth in their footwear division. Next we talk about the Factory Racing team vs Privateer model in mountain biking and how the factory racing team format could be adopted by other sports – a great back and forth conversation with at least a few galaxy brain ideas. Of course we finish with BPC where we send you off with some great stuff we noticed this week. Links: Arc'Teryx footwear growth: https://footwearnews.com/business/business-news/amer-earnings-guidance-q2-led-arcteryx-1203678318/ Speedland's new shoes: https://www.runspeedland.com/ TTL Devo Squad: https://thattriathlonlife.com/pages/ttl-development-team Cut Media: https://cutmedia.com/ Christiano Ronaldo's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtxD0x6AuNNqdXO9Wp5GHew Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/08ILHaCFj9SabAvWe2ORD4?si=1898c92bfe594a4c Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia