

Disordered: Anxiety Help
Josh Fletcher and Drew Linsalata
Disordered is the podcast that delivers real, evidence-based, actionable talk about anxiety disorders and anxiety recovery in a kind, compassionate, community-oriented environment. Josh Fletcher is a qualified psychotherapist in the UK. Drew Linsalata is a therapist practicing under supervision in the US. They're both bestselling authors in the anxiety and mental health space. Josh and Drew are funny, friendly, and they have a knack for combining lived experience, formal training, and professional experience in an encouraging, inspiring, and compassionate mental health message.
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Mar 22, 2024 • 43min
The Great OCD Whistle Stop Tour of 2024 (Episode 54)
Embark on a whirlwind journey through the complexities of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, exploring subtypes like pure-O and somatic OCD. The hosts discuss the shared themes of doubt and anxiety, emphasizing empathy within the community. Personal stories reveal the cyclical nature of intrusive thoughts and the challenges of recovery. Insightful reflections on treatment methods highlight the value of exposure therapy. The conversation also touches on the pressures of overparenting and its emotional toll, setting the stage for deeper explorations in mental health.

Mar 15, 2024 • 34min
Inside The Mind of an Anxiety Therapist (Episode 53)
What Is Your Therapist Thinking While You're Talking?
Therapists are people too. They have feelings, opinions, insecurities, fears, and personality quirks. And they - like you - sometimes have an inner dialogue. If you ever wanted to know what goes on inside the mind of an anxiety therapist, this week Josh and Drew dig into this a bit, including a few moments where the guys exercise their drama and acting skills. Absolutely Oscar-worthy, so tune in.
As usual ... it's quite a scene.
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Interested in Josh's new book, “And How Does That Make You Feel?”
https://geni.us/JoshFletcher
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If you love Disordered and think you might benefit from spending 30 full days in an everyday intensive small group recovery support group led by Josh and Drew, check out Disordered Boost at https://disordered.fm/boost
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Want to ask us questions, share your wins, or get more information about Josh, Drew, and the Disordered podcast?
Visit us on the web at https://disordered.fm
Disclaimer: Disordered is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. Listening to Disordered does not create a therapeutic relationship between you and the hosts of the podcast. Information here is provided for psychoeducational purposes. As always, when you have questions about your well-being, please consult your mental health and/or medical care providers. If you are having a mental health crisis, always reach out immediately for in-person help.

Mar 8, 2024 • 32min
Did It Anyway - Part 2 (Episode 52)
This is the one-year anniversary episode of Disordered! We've been at this now for a full year, and we cannot be more grateful for all the support you guys have provided along the way.
What better way to mark a year of Disordered than with an episode dedicated entirely to celebrating the community surrounding this podcast? If you need some encouragement or inspiration in your recovery, listen in as we play and read "did it anyway" stories from our listeners and your peers.
Thanks to everyone who shares their stories with us. We appreciate them, and we're happy to share them when we can.
Now let's get on with year two, shall we?
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Interested in Josh's new book, “And How Does That Make You Feel?”
https://geni.us/JoshFletcher
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If you love Disordered and think you might benefit from spending 30 full days in an everyday intensive small group recovery support group led by Josh and Drew, check out Disordered Boost at https://disordered.fm/boost
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Want to ask us questions, share your wins, or get more information about Josh, Drew, and the Disordered podcast?
Visit us on the web at https://disordered.fm
Disclaimer: Disordered is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. Listening to Disordered does not create a therapeutic relationship between you and the hosts of the podcast. Information here is provided for psychoeducational purposes. As always, when you have questions about your well-being, please consult your mental health and/or medical care providers. If you are having a mental health crisis, always reach out immediately for in-person help.

Mar 1, 2024 • 48min
Neuropathways, Habits, and Anxiety (Episode 51)
What about all this "neuropathways" talk? What does it mean in anxiety recovery?
Funny that you asked! This week on Disordered Josh and Drew are talking about neuropathways, anxious habits, and how the concept of "building new neuropathways" applies in the context of anxiety disorders and anxiety recovery. Let's start by acknowledging that even counterproductive anxious habits are built atop pathways in the brain designed to make things easier for us. We can learn good habits and develop responses and behaviors that almost feel automatic because that's metabolically efficient and frees our thinking brains up to concentrate on more important things. But sometimes, this amazing mechanism is accidentally used to create anxious or avoidant responses and habits based on a misfiring of our threat detection systems. Are there neuropathways beneath habits designed to avoid or escape anxiety triggers? Yes, there are.
But the good news is that we can play an active role in building new neuropathways. New behavioral choices and new experiences can re-wire our brains, even in the case where we might be terrified of our own bodies and minds. The guys use a bunch of analogies (some clever, some not so clever) to illustrate how making new choices in responding to anxious thoughts and anxious sensations triggers the process of creating new neuropathways. The conversation also touches on the need for commitment and repetition in building these new pathways that support new behaviors, new habits, and a new relationship with anxiety and fear.
Tune in for this, the usual "did it anyways", questions from the community, and maybe even a surprise for Josh and his now trademark screaming American eagle sound effect. ;-)
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Interested in Josh's new book, “And How Does That Make You Feel?”
https://geni.us/JoshFletcher
----
If you love Disordered and think you might benefit from spending 30 full days in an everyday intensive small group recovery support group led by Josh and Drew, check out Disordered Boost at https://disordered.fm/boost
-----
Want to ask us questions, share your wins, or get more information about Josh, Drew, and the Disordered podcast?
Visit us on the web at https://disordered.fm
Disclaimer: Disordered is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. Listening to Disordered does not create a therapeutic relationship between you and the hosts of the podcast. Information here is provided for psychoeducational purposes. As always, when you have questions about your well-being, please consult your mental health and/or medical care providers. If you are having a mental health crisis, always reach out immediately for in-person help.

Feb 23, 2024 • 44min
Anxiety Recovery, Re-Sensitization, and De-Sensitization (Episode 50)
Discusses re-triggering of anxiety in recovery, re-sensitization to anxious thoughts, importance of allowing, accepting, and surrendering to de-sensitize internal state. Emphasizes reframing feelings as part of the journey, managing anxiety like a snow globe, and facing fears to enjoy time with horses. Explores managing intrusive thoughts, battling OCD against core values, and using gratitude for support in overcoming OCD.

Feb 16, 2024 • 38min
Anxiety Recovery and "Burnout" (Episode 049)
Drew and Josh discuss the concept of burnout and how anxiety can amplify the fear of burning out. They explore signs of burnout, offer tips on avoiding it, and share personal experiences. Listeners can benefit from their small group recovery support program and gain insights on self-care and managing expectations.

Feb 9, 2024 • 41min
Anxiety and Compulsive Wellness (Episode 48)
Are you using wellness concepts, techniques, programs, and principles as a way to resist feelings of anxiety?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking care of oneself and wanting to be healthy physically, mentally, emotionally, and even spiritually. But in a large community of people struggling with disordered and chronic states of anxiety, compulsively seeking, chasing, and engaging in wellness rituals as a way to desperately stomp out any possibility of feeling anxious or uncomfortable can become a problem.
This week on Disordered we're looking at compulsive wellness, characterized by the assertion that one must be perfectly healthy, manage or micro-manage bodily functions and systems, and always be perfectly stable, optimized, and fully prepared to minimize the chances of being triggered into an anxious state. Especially in a social media climate jam-packed with body-centric and often less-than-reputable anxiety management or cure programs, it can be easy to be drawn into the compulsive wellness cycle.
If you find yourself there and trying to break out, know that you're not doing anything wrong, its OK to want to feel better, and even if you stop desperately chasing every wellness hack you come across, you can still be OK.
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Want to pre-order Josh’s book, “And How Does That Make You Feel?”
https://geni.us/JoshFletcher
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If you love Disordered and think you might benefit from spending 30 full days in an everyday intensive small group recovery support group led by Josh and Drew, check out Disordered Boost at https://disordered.fm/boost
-----
Want to ask us questions, share your wins, or get more information about Josh, Drew, and the Disordered podcast?
Visit us on the web at https://disordered.fm
Disclaimer: Disordered is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. Listening to Disordered does not create a therapeutic relationship between you and the hosts of the podcast. Information here is provided for psychoeducational purposes. As always, when you have questions about your well-being, please consult your mental health and/or medical care providers. If you are having a mental health crisis, always reach out immediately for in-person help.

Feb 2, 2024 • 48min
Anxiety And The Inward Compulsion (Episode 047)
The default state for most humans - to varying degrees - is for the brain to launch into inward thinking and inner dialogue when there's nothing else to pay attention to. If you're struggling with chronic or disordered anxiety, this can become a real issue and a major struggle.
This week we're looking at the inward compulsion. That fear-driven habit of not only having thoughts, but answering them, engaging with them, checking in on them, and inviting them in for lengthy conversations that go on endlessly and drive anxiety and more discomfort.
Can you stop the inward compulsion? Well, that's complicated. You can't stop your brain from making thoughts. That's just what brains do. But you can work on building a new relationship with those thoughts and refusing to engage with them or feel them with the attention they so crave when your brain thinks it needs to keep you safe.
Over time, the inward compulsion stops being a compulsion and your regular, non-anxious relationship with your thoughts and inner dialogue (which will vary from person to person) goes back to a "regular" state where even a highly active inner dialogue simply exists without posing an obstacle in your life or causing significant struggle or disruption.
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Want to pre-order Josh’s book, “And How Does That Make You Feel?”
https://geni.us/JoshFletcher
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If you love Disordered and think you might benefit from spending 30 full days in an everyday intensive small group recovery support group led by Josh and Drew, check out Disordered Boost at https://disordered.fm/boost
-----
Want to ask us questions, share your wins, or get more information about Josh, Drew, and the Disordered podcast?
Visit us on the web at https://disordered.fm
Disclaimer: Disordered is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. Listening to Disordered does not create a therapeutic relationship between you and the hosts of the podcast. Information here is provided for psychoeducational purposes. As always, when you have questions about your well-being, please consult your mental health and/or medical care providers. If you are having a mental health crisis, always reach out immediately for in-person help.

Jan 26, 2024 • 42min
Anxiety Recovery: Worse Before Better? (Episode 46)
"Is it normal for my symptoms, or thoughts, or my anxiety to get worse when I start engaging in recovery?"
Even Dr. Claire Weekes acknowledged this experience when writing about recovery many years ago. This week on Disordered we're talking about feeling MORE when you stop hiding from anxiety. This is often misinterpreted as "getting worse" but feeling more doesn't mean your anxiety, your symptoms, or your thoughts are getting worse.
It's OK to feel things. The recovery process is about learning how to get better at feeling things. You can feel all the things and still be safe. xx
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Want to pre-order Josh’s book, “And How Does That Make You Feel?”
https://geni.us/JoshFletcher
----
If you love Disordered and think you might benefit from spending 30 full days in an everyday intensive small group recovery support group led by Josh and Drew, check out Disordered Boost at https://disordered.fm/boost
-----
Want to ask us questions, share your wins, or get more information about Josh, Drew, and the Disordered podcast?
Visit us on the web at https://disordered.fm
Disclaimer: Disordered is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. Listening to Disordered does not create a therapeutic relationship between you and the hosts of the podcast. Information here is provided for psychoeducational purposes. As always, when you have questions about your well-being, please consult your mental health and/or medical care providers. If you are having a mental health crisis, always reach out immediately for in-person help.

Jan 19, 2024 • 42min
What Does Anxiety Therapy Look Like? (Episode 45)
"What does anxiety therapy look like?"
"What goes on in a session with an anxiety specialist?"
"How can I find the right therapist for me?"
This week Drew and Josh address these questions, including a really interesting 12-minute mock therapy session to start the episode. Josh plays the therapist while Drew is the client struggling with panic and extreme levels of anxiety. It's role play, but it does give a reasonable idea of what a first session with an anxiety specialist might look and sound like.
The guys also talk about different modalities in therapy (treatment styles or methods), the value of being able to bring different therapy concepts to bear on different problems, and the need to have at least some level of connection and relationship with a therapist to get the most from the endeavor.
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Want to pre-order Josh’s book, “And How Does That Make You Feel?”
https://geni.us/JoshFletcher
----
If you love Disordered and think you might benefit from spending 30 full days in an everyday intensive small group recovery support group led by Josh and Drew, check out Disordered Boost at https://disordered.fm/boost
-----
Want to ask us questions, share your wins, or get more information about Josh, Drew, and the Disordered podcast?
Visit us on the web at https://disordered.fm
Disclaimer: Disordered is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. Listening to Disordered does not create a therapeutic relationship between you and the hosts of the podcast. Information here is provided for psychoeducational purposes. As always, when you have questions about your well-being, please consult your mental health and/or medical care providers. If you are having a mental health crisis, always reach out immediately for in-person help.


