
The Capitalism and Freedom in the Twenty-First Century Podcast
This podcast is focused on economics, finance and public policy, with a common thread to exploring some of the ideas of the late economist Milton Friedman titled after his 1962 book ”Capitalism and Freedom”.
Latest episodes

Aug 15, 2024 • 57min
Greg Mankiw (Harvard Econ Prof) on New Keynesian Macro, Growth and Econ Policy
Greg Mankiw, a Harvard economics professor and former White House economic advisor under President George W. Bush, shares insights into New Keynesian economics. He discusses the evolution of economic modeling, highlighting both its benefits and limitations. Mankiw delves into growth accounting and the challenges of existing growth theories. The conversation also touches on the changing role of economists in Washington and Mankiw's advocacy for effective climate policies like carbon taxes, emphasizing the need for greater economic literacy.

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Aug 1, 2024 • 58min
Daron Acemoglu (MIT Economics Prof) on Institutions, Economic Growth, and AI
Daron Acemoglu, an MIT economics professor renowned for his insights on institutions and economic growth, discusses the intricate relationship between regulation and growth. He delves into the significance of inclusive versus extractive institutions, using North and South Korea as examples. Acemoglu explores how democracy can enhance economic performance, debates shareholder profit maximization, and examines the impact of AI on labor markets. He also highlights the power dynamics in tech firms and analyzes the varying economic trajectories of advanced economies.

Jul 18, 2024 • 60min
Economic Growth, Macro-Models, and a Move to the Hoover Institution
Jon Hartley and John Cochrane introduce the Capitalism and Freedom in the 21st Century podcast to the Hoover audience. They speak on a number of topics including the usefulness of existing macroeconomic models, the use of economic models at central banks, the state of macroeconomics, the fiscal theory of the price level, and how technology, institutions, and policy play a role in fostering economic growth.
ABOUT THE SPEAKERS:
John H. Cochrane is the Rose-Marie and Jack Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is also a research associate of the National Bureau of Economic Research and an adjunct scholar of the CATO Institute.
Before joining Hoover, Cochrane was a Professor of Finance at the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, and earlier at its Economics Department. Cochrane earned a bachelor’s degree in physics at MIT and his PhD in economics at the University of California at Berkeley. He was a junior staff economist on the Council of Economic Advisers (1982–83).
Cochrane’s recent publications include the book The Fiscal Theory of the Price Level (Princeton University Press, 2023). He also refularly writes articles on inflation, dynamics in stock and bond markets, the volatility of exchange rates, the term structure of interest rates, the returns to venture capital, liquidity premiums in stock prices, the relation between stock prices and business cycles, and option pricing when investors can’t perfectly hedge. His monetary economics publications include articles on the relationship between deficits and inflation, the effects of monetary policy, and the fiscal theory of the price level. He has also written articles on macroeconomics, health insurance, time-series econometrics, financial regulation, and other topics. He was a coauthor of The Squam Lake Report. His Asset Pricing PhD class is available online via Coursera.
Cochrane frequently contributes editorial opinion essays to the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg.com, and other publications. He maintains the Grumpy Economist blog and is a regular host of Hoover’s flagship broadcast, GoodFellows.
Jon Hartley is a Research Associate at the Hoover Institution and an economics PhD Candidate at Stanford University, where he specializes in finance, labor economics, and macroeconomics. He is also currently a Research Fellow at the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity (FREOPP) and a Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute. Jon is also a member of the Canadian Group of Economists, and serves as chair of the Economic Club of Miami.
Jon has previously worked at Goldman Sachs Asset Management as well as in various policy roles at the World Bank, IMF, Committee on Capital Markets Regulation, US Congress Joint Economic Committee, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, and the Bank of Canada.
Jon has also been a regular economics contributor for National Review Online, Forbes, and The Huffington Post and has contributed to The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, USA Today, Globe and Mail, National Post, and Toronto Star among other outlets. Jon has also appeared on CNBC, Fox Business, Fox News, Bloomberg, and NBC, and was named to the 2017 Forbes 30 Under 30 Law & Policy list, the 2017 Wharton 40 Under 40 list, and was previously a World Economic Forum Global Shaper.
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ABOUT THE SERIES:
Each episode of Capitalism and Freedom in the 21st Century, a video podcast series and the official podcast of the Hoover Economic Policy Working Group, focuses on getting into the weeds of economics, finance, and public policy on important current topics through one-on-one interviews. Host Jon Hartley asks guests about their main ideas and contributions to academic research and policy. The podcast is titled after Milton Friedman‘s famous 1962 bestselling book Capitalism and Freedom, which after 60 years, remains prescient from its focus on various topics which are now at the forefront of economic debates, such as monetary policy and inflation, fiscal policy, occupational licensing, education vouchers, income share agreements, the distribution of income, and negative income taxes, among many other topics.

May 24, 2024 • 1h 27min
Peter Ireland (Boston College Econ Prof) on Monetary Policy, Monetarism and New Keynesian Models
Peter Ireland (Boston College Economics Professor) joins the podcast to discuss his career as a monetary economist, his views on the history of monetarism, New Keynesian models, and the Shadow Open Market Committee which Peter sits on and celebrates its 50th anniversary.
Jon Hartley is an economics researcher with interests in international macroeconomics, finance, and labor economics and is currently an economics PhD student at Stanford University. He is also currently a Research Fellow at the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, a Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute, and a research associate at the Hoover Institution.
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Apr 11, 2024 • 48min
Dani Rodrik (Harvard Kennedy School Economics Professor) on Industrial Policy, Globalization and His Career
Harvard Economics Professor Dani Rodrik discusses industrial policy, globalization, and his career. He challenges consensus on globalization, advocates for industrial policy blending, and explores revitalizing industrial policies. The podcast also delves into economic nationalism, political equilibrium, China's growth, and the US presidential election impact.

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Mar 13, 2024 • 1h 28min
Steven D. Levitt (Freakonomics co-author and U Chicago Econ Prof) on His Career and Decision to Retire From Academic Economics
Join the podcast to hear Steven D. Levitt discuss his career, transition to academia, and decision to retire. Explore his impact on applied microeconomics, data-driven research, and the evolution of academic economics at UChicago. Reflect on golf, retirement, and the future of economics, as well as insights into teaching, educational reform, and pandemic project challenges.

Feb 2, 2024 • 36min
Larry Summers (Harvard Economics Professor) on His Career In Academic Economics, Government, University Leadership and Corporate America
Larry Summers, a Harvard economics professor and former US Treasury Secretary, dives into his remarkable career in this discussion. He navigates the complexities of balancing truth and social justice in academia amidst current controversies. He shares insights on transitioning from physics to economics, emphasizing the importance of empirical methods and government intervention. Summers critically evaluates economic policy lessons learned from crises like the Great Recession and COVID-19, advocating for responsive, comprehensive policymaking to strengthen economic outcomes.

Jan 7, 2024 • 31min
Doug Ducey (Former Arizona Governor) on Passing Universal School Choice and Universal Licensing Recognition
Doug Ducey, 23rd Governor of Arizona, joins the podcast to discuss how he made Arizona the first state to pass Universal School Choice and Universal Licensing Recognition as well as his major influences and career which includes growing Coldstone Creamery into an international company as CEO.
Jon Hartley is an economics researcher with interests in international macroeconomics, finance, and labor economics and is currently an economics PhD student at Stanford University. He is also currently a Research Fellow at the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, a Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute, and a research associate at the Hoover Institution.
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Nov 14, 2023 • 43min
Jennifer Burns on the Life and Lasting Influence of Milton Friedman
Jennifer Burns (Hoover Reserch Fellow and Stanford Associate Professor of History) joins the podcast to discuss her career as well as her new biography Milton Friedman: The Last Conservative (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2023). We discuss the life of Milton Friedman including his very brief time in Chile, his intellectual development before and after joining the University of Chicago economics faculty, the role of various people who contributed to the development of his ideas behind the scenes, along with the extent of his influence nearly 20 years after his death.
Jon Hartley is an economics researcher with interests in international macroeconomics, finance, and labor economics and is currently an economics PhD student at Stanford University. He is also currently a Research Fellow at the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, a Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute, and a research associate at the Hoover Institution.
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Nov 4, 2023 • 60min
Antitrust Policy, The Chicago School Consumer Welfare Standard and The Rise of the New Brandeisians
Luke Froeb joins the podcast to talk about his career in economics, what it's like to be the chief economist at the FTC and DOJ antitrust division, how these agencies make decisions about merger cases, the history of the Chicago School consumer welfare standard and the types of analytical tools and modeling that underlies the approach, along with the rise of the New Brandeisians and their failures thus far.
Jon Hartley is an economics researcher with interests in international macroeconomics, finance, and labor economics and is currently an economics PhD student at Stanford University. He is also currently a Research Fellow at the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, a Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute, and a research associate at the Hoover Institution.
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