
How To Succeed In Product Management | Jeffrey Shulman, Red Russak & Soumeya Benghanem
Learn from some of the best product managers in the world through conversations hosted by The Product Management Center at the University of Washington. In each episode, Jeff Shulman, Red Russak, and Soumeya Benghanem dive into the tools, frameworks, and thought processes that will help drive success in product management.
Latest episodes

May 11, 2022 • 54min
46: What Makes Product Management Difficult?
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Jeremiah Nelson (Motorola Solutions) to talk about becoming a good PM in a difficult environment. Product management is a job that requires teamwork, team effort, and collaborative planning to successfully launch and eventually sell a product. It can become a difficult task and extremely challenging but with the people in the team, nothing is impossible.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
07:46 When does product management become difficult?
10:46 What is the rubric that customers give you?
11:37 Indicators to help understand the customer’s rubric
15:19 Who should not be a PM?
20:12 Every PM owns the decision regardless of how it's made
27:09 You are not your product
29:49 What makes a better PM for API and technical products?
36:07 Get a detailed understanding of how things function
42:02 Goal-setting methods for a new project
46:24 Take care of yourself first
48:54 Being a PM is about the team you create

May 4, 2022 • 59min
45: What is Unique About Machine Learning and AIPM?
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Red Russak welcome Marily Nika (Imperial College London) and Matt Hulett (PetMeds) to talk about what it takes to become an AIPM. Do you need a technical background to become one? Do you need to be an engineer? Or do you have to be both an engineer and MBA holder? Our panel today shows us why we need to become ready to switch to a new skill set and learn to take on a different role when we it comes to machine learning and product management.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
04:22 What does AI or ML mean for PMs?
10:41 You don’t need a technical background to become an AIPM
13:50 How to become ready to switch to a new skill set
18:16 What are the characteristics that makes you a good AIPM
30:45 Which would you like to work best with?
33:47 Work on things that you’re passionate about
42:26 Do you need an MBA to be a great PM?
45:25 If we are all generalists, how do we bring niche products to life?
49:52 Building confidence to ask thoughtful questions

Apr 27, 2022 • 54min
44: Collaboration to Support, Manage, and Learn About Customers
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Divya Sreekumar (Meta) and Clay Robinson (Mamenta) to talk about collating information both from customers and within the organization to unravel hiend use wants and needs. By asking the right questions and having the right people onboard, addressing customer needs can become more effective.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
08:31 Collating product backlog
10:34 Getting the right data and filtering the noise
16:08 PMs find the unarticulated wants and needs
18:36 Either you’re doing too much or too little when gathering info
26:41 Take yourself up from the HOW and switch to the WHY
34:06 How do you break into the PM space?
40:09 How do you speak up when you feel you’re not empowered to

Apr 20, 2022 • 1h 3min
Best of 2021 - Understanding the Product Development Life Cycle
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Kavita Kamani (Microsoft) and Howard Ro (Tesla) to discuss the life cycle of product development, where to focus your attention to in whichever product development phase, identifying what should be considered valuable and what’s not, and tackling product management while maintaining a work-life balance.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
02:27 The importance of the product development life cycle
06:29 Two points of view on the general concept of a product life cycle
09:09 Five D’s of a product life cycle
15:25 Asking a lot of questions help determine exactly where to focus on
17:57 Getting a clear idea if a problem is worth solving
19:47 Initial ideation and operating without boundaries
21:14 When there is tension and no easy answer
27:12 Different organizations have different structures and different expectations
31:11 Within the applications, what is truly valuable and what is not?
34:22 Focus on what's the core problem and what you're going after
39:26 Ensure that everybody is aligned to the common goals
43:16 Find a balance between the user outcome and stakeholder outcome
48:51 Bringing focus back to what you need to do
51:05 Work-life balance: assess or associate your happiness with impact
58:52 If you want to succeed as a PM, own the job
01:00:04 Don’t try to be everything for everyone

Apr 13, 2022 • 53min
43: How Do You Define a PM’s Career Success?
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Tom Leung (Goggle, Fireside Product Management Podcast) to talk about what makes a successful PM. Is it the number of products that went live? Is it the position you currently hold in the company? Is the head count of other PMs under your team? There are several ways to measure the success of Product Managers. What matters most of the time is the skills that you have when take on the role and what will you bring to help scale up the business.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
08:43 What would success look like for a PM?
12:41 Metrics that matter to your own career success
14:26 PMs don’t have a common starting point but have common qualities
17:29 In order to be considered for the PM role…
23:14 Should you be measured by how many products you push live?
32:47 When its the business that makes the decisions
38:35 Skills to become a good PM
44:26 Misaligned with your end counterpart
50:08 PM is an apprenticeship discipline

Apr 6, 2022 • 53min
42: Promoting Inclusive Leadership in Your Organization
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Pooja Ghera (Providence) to talk about inclusivity in leadership. The golden question, when it comes to inclusivity is, do you need to have a value of inclusivity before you start hiring or should hire a team that will create an inclusive culture within the organization? What does inclusive leadership truly mean?
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
07:54 What does inclusive leadership mean to you?
11:08 You need to be inclusive first before hiring an inclusive workforce
15:34 Collaboration and cultural intelligence
20:58 Inclusive leadership when you do and don’t have authority
24:15 How you’re listening is also diverse
25:49 Finding a pocket of ignored customers
31:37 Resources to learn user segments to build user buckets
39:54 How do you justify the impact for only one user?
42:15 Focus on diversifying your own team
44:48 Ensure that hiring is about alignment of values
48:57 Be humble and aware of your bias

Mar 30, 2022 • 59min
41: Why Do PMs Need Facilitation Skills?
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Soumeya Benghanem welcome Liang H. (Airbnb) and David Kim (Stealth Mode - Edtech Company) to talk about facilitation skills. It isn’t just about facilitating meetings, programs, or teams. Facilitation, in general, is about a PMs ability to hold together the different roles involved in developing a product. It is the ability to successfully collaborate with multiple teams and departments and make it as seamless as possible.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
02:01 Why facilitation skill is important for PMs?
09:17 Define facilitation
12:23 What meetings PMs get to facilitate?
15:37 Failures in facilitation and the lessons learned
26:26 There is always an aspect of competitiveness
37:14 Feedback: the closer to the customer, the better
43:47 What role do people play in the collaboration?
48:53 Processes that can help facilitation for product
51:39 2 tips for facilitators during facilitations

Mar 23, 2022 • 49min
40: Transferable Accounting Skills When Shifting into Product Management
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Lennon Liao (Atlassian) to talk about accounting skills that are useful when breaking into product management. There are skills that are helpful and can play a big role when it comes to becoming a product leader. There are also skills that one will need to unlearn to become a more effective PM. What matters the most is you know how to prioritize the end user and their experience with the product.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
05:53 Accountancy skills that are helpful in product management?
11:51 Unlearning skills to succeed in product management
21:49 How ego can play into or potentially hurt a product manager succeed
30:35 Consumer product versus enterprise product management
34:21 Resources for accountants trying to switch into PMs
43:16 Always put your end users first
44:22 The indicators of successful experiment

Mar 16, 2022 • 58min
39: Dealing with Imposter Syndrome in the Product Management Space
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Chelsea Alexander-Taylor (Redfin) and Jonathan Pappas (Connect the Dots) to talk about how PMs struggle with imposter syndrome often at the early stages of their career. A lot of new PMs find it difficult to adjust in a new role, a new working space, or in a new organization. And it doesn’t help that they are expected to overperform and carry with them experiences they currently don’t have. As product leaders, how can we create a safe space where confidence is boosted and psychological safety is prioritized?
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
09:51 The imposter syndrome in tech and in product
12:31 Becoming an imposter in the early days of your career
19:10 Never point fingers, always assume the responsibility
24:04 Why psychological safety matters
29:46 Helping and empowering women in the PM space
35:29 Ways to allow and encourage a safe space
39:00 What can you do to deal with imposter syndrome?
44:15 Conversations on Twitter
50:11 Not all self-doubt is bad
52:25 Find communities where you can share your experience

Mar 9, 2022 • 54min
38: How Leading by Influence Makes a Great Product Manager
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome KJ Famulegun to talk about leadership through influence. Authority is often the power that is used by leaders to manage a team, an organization, or a business in its entirety. Yet, the most effective leaders are seen to focus more on leading by example and inspiring others to be productive in what they do and be a team player that aids in the success of any product.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
05:36 What does leading by influence mean?
09:46 What can you do to strengthen your influence muscle?
22:43 PMs often work with tension and discovering a path ahead
26:00 The association between manager and management
30:34 Leading and influencing without authority
36:16 Build trust and then show competence
39:57 Managing PM network and community
47:53 The best PMs create community within their team
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