
How To Succeed In Product Management | Jeffrey Shulman, Red Russak & Soumeya Benghanem
Learn from some of the best product managers in the world through conversations hosted by The Product Management Center at the University of Washington. In each episode, Jeff Shulman, Red Russak, and Soumeya Benghanem dive into the tools, frameworks, and thought processes that will help drive success in product management.
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Sep 28, 2022 • 50min
60: Hardware Product Management
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman welcomes Charlton Washington, MBA (Johnson & Johnson) and Jake Wallack (Axon) to talk about hardware product management. As a PM, you might have to choose between hardware vs. software. Knowing the difference between the two fields, the process involved, and the varying customer needs will allow PMs to get familiar with the systems should they wish to transition from hardware to software and vice versa.
Disclaimer: All opinions of the speakers are their own.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
05:42 Metrics of success in hardware
08:22 Hardware vs. software
09:52 Other metrics
12:40 Meeting the needs of different consumers
16:06 Inclusivity is necessary
18:59 Product management in hardware vs. software
21:11 Hardware has longer development cycles
24:42 Hardware or software as a PM?
26:47 More long term strategy
27:40 Check your skills and experience
28:40 Single threaded leadership
31:07 Stakeholder management with hardware vs. software
33:55 Stakeholders are more directly involved in product
35:01 What can make people in hardware PM angry?
38:16 Transition from software to hardware
40:11 How to navigate hardware PM in the medical space
42:16 Resources for PM
45:40 Final thoughts

Sep 21, 2022 • 57min
59: Driving Product Inclusion
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Red Russak welcome Giselle Mota (ADP) to talk about product inclusion and product equity. With product inclusion, users feel seen and feel that their needs are met. This is why inclusion is an important aspect PMs must have and learn and how they can incorporate this in their products.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
06:15 Definition of inclusion
09:54 Making the business case
11:47 Educate to ensure product inclusion
15:21 Product inclusion is not just in the language but also data that’s used
19:20 How to test inclusivity
22:38 Product management is an iterative process
27:36 Book recommendations
29:23 Is there anything unique about product inclusion and equity?
31:52 Mainstream user vs. extreme user
33:55 Factors that are accelerating inclusivity
36:38 Improving AI voice
39:08 Roles dedicated to product inclusion and product equity
47:21 Advice for product managers to be more equitable and inclusive
50:11 Final thoughts

Sep 14, 2022 • 58min
Best of 2021: Thinking Through Assumptions and Managing the Risks
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Dontae Delgado (Compass) and Siddhartha Rabindran (Microsoft) to discuss managing assumptions and start ranking them from the top most important to the least important, and build a framework around it to help develop the product. Assumptions, when correctly utilized and tested in the right environment exponentially helps product leaders find success.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:42 The importance of managing assumptions and risk management
03:46 It’s easy to become comfortable with the flows of the product
05:11 Clarity plays an important role in managing assumptions
08:44 The different classifications of assumptions
10:45 Approach is the most important part of addressing assumptions
13:55 Assumption prompts to make assumptions explicit
15:52 The build versus buy evaluation
19:53 After generating assumptions, start ranking them
23:36 Critical path is about the solution and the framing
24:25 Proper documentation is key to effective communication
27:17 Situations that could happen when assumptions aren’t made
29:45 Reference books and resources for assumption management
37:04 How do you go about validating assumptions?
40:31 The product team considers four important things: product, market, channels, and business model
43:42 Producer and consumer framework in critical in managing expectations
47:31 Building a culture of domain empathy
50:28 Assumptions are an integral part of everything we do
54:13 Assumptions are linchpin to product success
55:29 Some assumptions, when utilized correctly or incorrectly, either hurt or help the products

Sep 7, 2022 • 49min
58: Death to PRDs?
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Saumil Shrivastava (UiPath) and Mark Cramer (Meta) to talk about the death to PRDs. What is a PRD and can it be removed from a company? How can this tool help a PM’s job and what is its relationship with backlogs? A PM should be able to understand the importance of PRD and how it can be a starting point to get anything done.
*Disclaimer: “All opinions of the speakers are their own.”
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
05:13 What is a PRD?
08:15 PRDs are the starting point to get anything done
09:25 Have a goal
11:41 Format doesn’t matter
12:28 Strategy documents
14:55 A part in PRDs that can be removed
17:20 Backlogs
19:16 Strategy depends on the size of the team
21:22 Relationship between PRDs and backlogs
24:59 Shifting focus from PRD to backlog overtime
27:18 Purpose is different
29:31 Backlogs are a PMs domain
30:43 Project managers and engineering manager on backlogs
33:46 Sometimes effectiveness is more important than efficiency
36:30 Advice for beginners in PRD
39:13 Find a mentor
40:39 Your job is not about the tool
42:42 Final thoughts

Aug 31, 2022 • 52min
57: Tips for Product Managers Setting Goals
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Red Russak welcome Ben Waddle (Expedia Group) and Shivam Goyal (Tellus) to talk about how PMs can properly set goals. A good PM must know how to set goals and be able to identify how the team can achieve it, whether it’s too ambitious or difficult to reach, and the right percentage goals the team should be hitting. Goal setting is a good skill for a PM because it motivates you towards your outcome and gives you clarity on what you want to achieve.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
04:46 Why is goal setting important?
05:55 What happens when you’re not effective at setting goals
06:43 Know the reason why you’re setting a goal
07:26 Goals should be outcome oriented
08:18 Making sure everyone is aligned on the goal
09:21 Being specific is important
11:05 Anti-goals
13:23 The problem with setting a super ambitious goal
15:54 What is the right percentage of goals you should be hitting?
23:03 Who should be involved in goal setting
26:00 Technology for goal setting
32:53 Use a system that you are comfortable with
35:41 Does remote work change how you communicate towards goals?
38:21 When to abandon a goal
43:22 A good goal before COVID
46:53 Final thoughts

Aug 24, 2022 • 57min
Best of 2021: Mentoring New Product Managers Through Empathy and Understanding
Today, in the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, Jeff and Red welcome our panel of experts on product management to talk about mentoring new product managers. They discuss how domain expertise can help new PMs grow in the field, the qualities one must have to understand and build relationships with customers, improving problem solving skills and building frameworks to tackle problems, and the roles senior PMs play in honing younger leaders.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
00:43 Building empathy and understanding for new Product Managers
02:31 Taking ownership and being proactive early on
04:06 Understand your customers and build relationships
06:52 PM’s must be curious and empathetic
08:40 Spend time to learn your product domain
13:39 Multiple variables affect what you end up focusing on as a PM
16:26 PMs often focus on the solution but don’t spend much time understanding the problem
19:01 The most important skill for new PM’s: actively ask questions
23:00 Promising books new PMs should read
26:40 Tools to help communicate with customers and conduct market research
31:27 How do you make problems and their solutions meaningful to the market?
35:40 Find a good mentor to guide you along the way
36:28 Difference between a mentor and a sponsor
38:14 Help coming from a senior product leader
42:42 Creating a psychologically safe space for new PMs
46:54 Challenges transitioning from B2B to B2C role
50:37 Observe patterns and build frameworks to tackle problems
51:35 Be that go-to person for the team
54:18 Are you spending time listening to your customers?

Aug 18, 2022 • 50min
Best of 2021: The Different Styles of Decision-Making
Today, in the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, Jeff and Red welcome a panel of experts on Product Management to discuss the importance of decision making in the success of any project. The panel of experts, known and respected in their respective expertise, share valuable tips and insights on what it takes to come up with the right decision.
Episode Resources:
University of Washington
The Product Management Center
Jeff Shulman’s LinkedIn
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:03 Soumeya Benghanem on the different styles of decision-making
03:44 “Understand the right process and structure to use to frame up decisions.” - Adam Grupp
05:37 “The expensive and scary are the ones where it's a long-term commitment you can’t change so easily.” - Greg Young
08:05 Sumathi Kadambi on the cost of failing to make a decision and the fear of decision-making.
12:17 “Create your own metrics for your own product.” Marily Nika
14:57 What’s your bold thought on decision-making?
16:37 Is data just confirming what you already know or do you have some wild changes based off of it?
20:02 Half of PM decisions are decisions they’re not even conscious of
21:26 Build an ecosystem of experts within the company to help make decisions
24:24 Favorite decision-making matrix regularly used
27:01 Go-to method for sourcing new ideas or iterating mature and new products
32:14 Hiring board at Mattress Firm, connect with Sumantro Das
34:23 Oftentimes, the best ideas come from unexpected places
37:15 Take what makes you successful but apply it in new places that can help make big changes
39:05 Be very clear on how everyone makes decisions
43:09 Decision-making takes time to build confidence on and to build the tool set
44:27 Some things are hard to let go but maybe they're not where our future is
46:24 Build a learning organization by understanding how decisions are made and documenting them

Aug 10, 2022 • 57min
56: How PRDs Can Help Build A Good Product
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Rajvi Bhatt (Walmart Global Tech), Prathyusha (Usha) Cheruku (UnitedHealth Group), and Arvind Dutta (Microsoft) to talk about how to write a good PRD. Do good PMs need to know how to write PRDs or product requirement documents? PRDs can be useful and a great way to help capture important information about your product in one place, so a good PM should learn how to write one as it is one of the most important documents a PM could create.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
02:31 What a PRD is?
04:46 PRDs are mechanisms to help stakeholders
07:29 What can go wrong in PRD?
10:09 PRDs are sometimes useless
12:20 Difference between PR/FAQ and PRD
14:10 Backlogs in PRD
16:29 One pagers
18:24 PRDs are a way to accomplish the goal of building a product
19:15 How PRDs help a product manager
22:20 Different documentations and how they change
27:31 Version controlling
28:28 Focus on the persona
29:09 Include a clear problem statement
32:21 Do you need a degree to become a PM?
34:42 Have interest and familiarize yourself towards the product role
36:04 Non-technical people can still be a PM
38:41 Adding new features in PRD
40:54 Ideas are part of an agile product development process
42:18 Adapting to an existing PRD
46:30 Document new ideas
48:38 Final thoughts

Aug 3, 2022 • 53min
55: When Obsession is a Strength
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Swapna Malekar (Microsoft) and Tony Poon (R-zero) to talk about whether having OCD is a superpower or a curse when it comes to being a PM. Product managers have to wear a different hat everyday, but if you're someone who pays too much attention to detail or gets too obsessed with data, how can you become a good PM?
The use of "OCD" a shorthand for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder within this episode is intended in the colloquial framing of concepts such as first principles thinking, deep curiosity and obsession with the customer, product or problem. The content is not intended to be a substitute for professional advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your mental health professional or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding your condition. Never disregard professional advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have read or heard on the How to Succeed in Product Management.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
08:42 Is OCD a superpower or a curse for a PM?
10:39 Obsessive about being curious
12:11 The first principles thinking
13:25 Having too much attention to detail
15:50 Product managers being obsessed with data
17:22 How too much attention to detail can get in the way of product development
19:48 Application within the discovery & data analytics vs. solution & execution phase
26:58 PM having OCD
28:24 You can’t predict what a PM’s job will be everyday
29:20 Working with someone who has OCD
31:59 Time versus outcome
34:25 Becoming a PM post-COVID era
39:29 Being open to feedback
42:15 Retargeting becomes a collaborative work
46:16 Final thoughts

Jul 27, 2022 • 59min
Best of 2021: The OKR Approach: Defining Objectives and Key Results
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Murtaza Chowdhury (Amazon Web Services) to discuss Objectives and Key Results (OKRs) - a goal-setting framework for outlining and planning product objectives up to the targeted results. OKR helps product managers plan and create frameworks which are shared within the team to set clear goals to align all efforts.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
00:42 Objective and Key Results (OKRs) and the need for alignment for outcomes and defining them
05:24 The benefits of the OKR approach
08:32 Have an objective that speaks for the company vision
11:53 Set a vision but don’t be too tactical in your approach
15:25 A sense of priority among the OKRs
19:22 Setting the objectives and key results
24:56 Everyone in the team is involved in the product team
26:44 OKR should be broken down into organizational level, team level, and then micro-teams level
28:34 Everyone working on the team has a say on the product development
31:04 User stories are what ties everything together
35:23 Solving team problems through prioritization and alignment
40:16 Everyone in the team is involved in creating the OKR
44:06 Should PMs stay in the background and let micro-teams solve the problem?
48:45 The 3 elements of an effective OKR
51:08 Set objectives that are futuristic, inspirational, and highly ambitious
52:47 Use OKRs with purpose
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