
The American Compass Podcast
Our mission is to restore an economic consensus that emphasizes the importance of family, community, and industry to the nation’s liberty and prosperity. The American Compass Podcast features conversations on a wide variety of policy issues aimed at helping policymakers and the broader public navigate the most pressing issues that will define the future of the conservative movement in America.
Latest episodes

May 17, 2023 • 27min
Talkin’ (Policy) Shop: End Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China
On this episode of Talkin’ (Policy) Shop, Oren and Chris discuss China’s “permanent normal trade relations” (PNTR) status and the case for revoking it.Granting PNTR to China as part of its ascension to the WTO was supposed to grant American firms and workers comparable benefits in the Chinese market. But the experts were wrong. The “China Shock” cost millions of American jobs, reduced domestic investment and innovative capacity, strained many communities’ social fabric, and contributed to a surge in “deaths of despair” concentrated among middle-aged Americans without college degrees.Further ReadingAmerican Compass policy brief: End “Permanent Normal Trade Relations” with ChinaSearching for Capitalism in the Wreckage of Globalization (Oren Cass, American Compass)“Where’s the Growth?” (American Compass)“The Balancing Act” (American Compass)“China Trade Relations Act of 2023," Senators Tom Cotton (R-AR), Rick Scott (R-FL), Ted Budd (R-NC), and J.D. Vance (R-OH)“Ending Normal Trade Relations with China Act,” Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO)

May 9, 2023 • 54min
Critics Corner with Angela Rachidi
On this episode of Critics Corner, Oren Cass is joined by Angela Rachidi, senior fellow and Rowe scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, to discuss family affordability. Is there a cost of living crisis? How can we measure the economic pressures on American families? And how should public policy respond?Further Reading: The 2023 Cost-of-Thriving Index by Oren CassThe Evidence on Family Affordability by Angela RachidiAmerican Compass Family Affordability Survey

May 3, 2023 • 42min
Talkin’ (Policy) Shop: Making Social Media Safe for Kids
On this episode of Talkin’ (Policy) Shop, Oren and Chris discuss how to protect kids online. Children who use social media are more likely to suffer from anxiety, depression, and self-harm, are more vulnerable to exploitation, and are more at risk of exposure to dangerous or illicit material. Parents, meanwhile, are unable to adequately protect their children from these harms. That’s where policymakers can step in to protect children online the same way we do in the real world.Further Reading:American Compass policy brief: Making Social Media Safe for KidsProtecting Children from Social Media (Chris Griswold, National Affairs)Governing After a Revolution (Oren Cass, American Compass)The Dangerous Experiment on Teen Girls (Jonathan Haidt, The Atlantic)How Changing One Law Could Protect Kids from Social Media (Yuval Levin, The New York Times) An Online Age-Verification System (American Compass policy brief)Kids Online Safety Act (Senators Marsha Blackburn and Richard Blumenthal)Protecting Kids on Social Media Act (Senators Tom Cotton, Brian Schatz, Chris Murphy, and Katie Britt)

Apr 19, 2023 • 35min
Senator Marco Rubio on Globalization, Markets, and the Common Good
On this special episode of the American Compass podcast, Senator Marco Rubio joins Oren Cass for a wide-ranging discussion of conservative economics and the common good. They cover the importance of domestic industrial capacity, seeing markets as a tool, dignified work as a key national interest, and, of course, TikTok.

Apr 12, 2023 • 39min
Talkin’ (Policy) Shop: Pre-Competitive R&D Consortia
On this episode of Talkin’ (Policy) Shop, Oren and Chris are joined by Willy Shih, a professor at Harvard Business School, to discuss pre-competitive R&D consortia. At a time when America has lost its innovative edge, these consortia give government an opportunity to support industry while letting market forces work.Pre-competitive R&D consortia allow firms that are normally competitors in the market to work together on a common technology platform, sharing the resulting IP from which they can develop products to compete against each other. The collaboration pools resources and expertise, and provides a site at which public policy can constructively subsidize investment without “picking winners and losers.” Further ReadingAmerican Compass policy brief: Pre-Competitive R&D ConsortiaOn Research and Development (Willy Shih, American Compass)Pass the Chips, Please (Oren Cass, American Compass)A Guide to the Semiconductor Industry (American Compass)

Mar 29, 2023 • 37min
Talkin’ (Policy) Shop: Worker Voice
On this episode of Talkin’ (Policy) Shop, Oren and Chris discuss the issue of worker voice: how many American workers have less influence in their workplaces than they would like, and how we can reform labor law to create new avenues for their input from the shop floor to the boardroom.Further ReadingAmerican Compass policy briefs: Collaborative Labor-Management Committees & Workers in the BoardroomA Better Bargain: Worker Voice and Representation (Chris Griswold, American Compass)Not What They Bargained For: A Survey of American Workers (American Compass)Workers of the World (Wells King, American Compass)Teamwork for Employees and Managers (TEAM) Act of 2022 (Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN))

Mar 8, 2023 • 40min
Talkin’ (Policy) Shop: Public Pension Accountability
Policy in Brief is now Talkin’ (Policy) Shop! On this episode, Oren and Chris discuss the problems that arise when chronic pension underfunding pushes public pension managers to seek unrealistic returns, pushing them toward risky, opaque, and illiquid alternative investments like private equity and hedge funds. These investments charge enormous fees while avoiding disclosures that would allow the public to evaluate their performance. When these gambles go bad, taxpayers are on the hook.Capital imbued with public purpose, like state and local pension funds, should be invested transparently. Congress should pass legislation requiring reasonable public reporting standards for private funds that invest and collect fees on public-purpose capital.Further ReadingAmerican Compass policy brief: Public Pension AccountabilityConfronting Coin-Flip Capitalism (Oren Cass, American Compass) A Guide to Private Equity (American Compass)‘Warning signs’: PE could impact public pension plans’ funding status this year. (Jessica Hamlin, PitchBook)Investing Novices Are Calling the Shots for $4 Trillion at US Pensions.” (Neil Weinberg, Bloomberg)

Mar 1, 2023 • 1h 10min
Critics Corner with Steven Kaplan
On this episode of Critics Corner, Oren Cass is joined by University of Chicago Booth School of Business professor and private equity expert Steven Kaplan. They discuss the pros and cons of private equity, the risk of bankruptcy during leveraged buyouts, and the effects—both good and bad—on both workers and investors.Further Reading:American Compass’s work on financializationConfronting Coin-Flip Capitalism by Oren CassA Guide to Private Equity by American CompassPopulists Don’t Know Much About Private Equity by Steven Kaplan and Todd Henderson (Wall Street Journal)Debate: Does the Private Equity Industry Create Substantial Social Value? by Oren Cass and Todd Henderson (Newsweek)

Feb 22, 2023 • 28min
Policy in Brief: Local Content Requirements
On this episode of Policy in Brief, Oren Cass and Chris Griswold discuss how to spur private investment, innovation, and competition by guaranteeing demand for domestic production. In recent years, industrial production has been increasingly offshored, leaving supply chains more fragile and entrenched abroad. America’s domestic industry has declined as a result, degrading our long-term ability to innovate and leaving the U.S. dependent on other nations for critical goods. A local content requirement (LCR) for goods that are critical for national security or the industrial base would go a long way to reshoring American industry and rebuilding the U.S. manufacturing base.Further Reading:American Compass policy brief: Local Content RequirementsOn Domestic Sourcing (Michael Lind, American Compass)The Balancing Act. (American Compass)The Import Quota That Remade the Auto Industry (Wells King & Dan Vaughn, Jr., American Compass)“Make It in America to Sell It in America Act (Senator Josh Hawley and Representative Claudia Tenney)

Feb 1, 2023 • 37min
Policy in Brief: Banning the BA Box
On this episode of Policy in Brief, Oren Cass and Chris Griswold are joined by special guest Jonathan Berry, partner at Boyden Gray & Associates and former Department of Labor assistant secretary. They discuss the “bachelor’s fad”—our over reliance in the labor market on bachelor’s degrees—and how public policy should respond. And listen to the end for some of our best bill title ideas yet.Further Reading:American Compass policy brief: Banning Bachelor’s Degree RequirementsEscaping the Bachelor’s Fad (Chris Griswold, American Compass)The False Promise of Good Jobs (Oren Cass & Richard Oyeniran, American Compass)Hidden Workers: Untapped Talent (Joseph B. Fuller, Manjari Raman, Eva Sage-Gavin, & Kristen Hines; Harvard Business School)The Emerging Degree Reset (The Burning Glass Institute)
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