
ProductLed Podcast
The ProductLed Podcast is a weekly interview series with both product-led growth leaders and practitioners who have real knowledge to share on what it takes to use their product to grow a business.
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Apr 6, 2021 • 21min
When Acquisition & Retention Work Together with Fung-Lin Wu and Tatiana Morozova from MongoDB
Fung-Lin Wu and Tatiana Morozova are powerful women handling important roles at MongoDB. It is an open-source document database used in many modern web applications. They are behind the successful acquisition and retention alignment. They have proven that working together is possible and will bring positive results to the company, especially on customer activation.
Show Notes
[00:51] Their background and roles at MongoDB
[02:42] How they keep the funnel flow smoothly from acquisition to retention
[04:34] How they measure quality sign-ups at MongoDB
[06:47] Frequency of their meetings to keep track of progress
[08:51] Success metrics and OKRs used across the teams at MongoDB
[11:32] What they do to maintain the alignment of teams
[13:52] A proof of their success in working together
[15:39] Teams they work with closely to ensure Product Led success
[17:45] Their bits of advice on acquisition retention alignment
About Fung-Lin Wu and Tatiana Morozova
Fung-Lin Wu is the Director of Retention Marketing at MongoDB who focuses on driving user activation and engagement throughout a customer's lifecycle. She is passionate about impacting business initiatives through customer lifecycle marketing, digital marketing, demand generation, and marketing analytics. Her experience includes Growth Marketing, Digital Marketing, Marketing Operations, and Marketing Analytics in the technology industry.
Tatiana Morozova is the Growth Marketing Lead at MongoDB. She is a seasonal marketing professional with a strong ability to optimize business processes and scale user growth.
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Mar 30, 2021 • 42min
How to Master Social Media in 2021 with Chris Smith #GrowthTrends (Hosted by Maja Voje)
Chris Smith is a Melbourne-based expert who is the founder and CEO of BIG Esports, a consulting firm that helps companies find their authentic voice and set up the right amplifiers to reach their audience. He also launches his podcasts on LinkedIn, where he has over 24,000 followers. In this episode, he will dig deep into creating a competitive edge on LinkedIn and other social media platforms that is super relevant for those who want to step up in the content creation game.
Show Notes
[01:33] How Chris started his passion and building his niche
[03:39] The importance of skills in gaming for him
[05:22] How he manages his time to stay active in social media
[08:12] His recommendations in posting on various social media platforms
[11:22] His creative team and quality content work
[13:12] On finding the right stories for clients he works with
[17:03] His thoughts about B2B influencers and how to find them
[21:52] How his podcasting activities fits his social media activities
[24:54] How he goes about the analytics for his posts
[28:23] The metrics tracking platform he uses to monitor posts
[30:11] His ideas on interesting collaboration on social media along the line of gaming
[34:03] Two things to learn from gaming vertical and other good stuff for him
[37:14] What games got hooked to at the moment
[38:00] On using the Clubhouse app
[39:59] Bits of advice from Chris
[40:48] Where to connect with him
About Chris Smith
Chris Smith is a big expert in the gaming and Esport industry. His passion for esports and continued business growth is what comes first for him. He is into business consulting, management consulting, public relations, and project management. He used to work in marketing and Public Relations for computer-enhancing giants such as Corsair and ThermalTake. ‘Building a strong network of like-minded individuals is where he prides himself as a professional, striving for the success of those who join him in his journey.
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Mar 23, 2021 • 41min
How to Use Customer Intent to Build Product Onboarding That Scales
David Rostan is Head of Revenue (Sales & Marketing) at Stonly in New York. Stonly is a company that created a unique widget to build interactive guides to lead clients’ customers to activation, issue resolution, and success on their terms. He has previously worked with fascinating product-led companies such as Calendly as VP for sales and marketing and Dashly as Head of organic and product marketing. These companies are known for effectively scaling that improved their onboarding experiences. In this episode, David will talk about the topic at hand -- how to use customer intent to build product onboarding that scales.
Show Notes
[01:19] How David got fascinated in customer intent and product onboarding and scales
[03:45] The importance of tailoring onboarding for different user intent for him
[05:51] His view on the differences of customer intent at different stages
[07:59] What customer intent is for him
[10:59] On ‘asking’ as the first step to meaningfully understand customer intent
[14:39] On testing and seeing what resonates as the second step
[17:27] On identifying the pattern, replicate successes, and observe as the last steps
[23:13] What he does best to scale the business right now
[26:23] His favorite companies using user intent
[29:12] What intent signals he looks for to ensure success for clients
[31:36] The results of the experiments he had on user intent to scale onboarding
[35:27] On how to further use customer intent to scale and deliver superb onboarding experiences
[37:53] Ways on building the empathy muscle for him
[40:26] Where to find out more about David
About David Rostan
David Rostan is a marketing bigshot with a track record of starting up and expanding mobile products and applications on the web in Fortune 100 and start-up environments. He has outstanding experience in leading all aspects of marketing strategy, such as but not limited to customer acquisition, product innovation, customer research, branding, and data analytics, to accomplish business objectives. He has accomplished so much as an entrepreneur. He has launched 3 SaaS applications and grew them via online and offline sales and marketing channels. He specializes in the following fields: digital marketing and strategy, customer acquisition and channel prioritization, customer development and market research, technology innovation and product management, team building or hiring, strategic planning (OKRs), and leadership.
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Mar 9, 2021 • 30min
7 Lessons Learned From 5 Years of Product-Led Experimentation
Matheus Mello is the Growth and Product Manager at Productboard, a product management system that helps product managers understand what customers need, prioritize what to build next, and rally everyone around the roadmap. In this episode, Matheus will talk about Product-Led experimentation -- running Product-Led experiments in your company through having a clearly defined system. Furthermore, he will share seven worth-noting lessons from his five years of experience in doing Product-Led experimentations.
Show Notes
[02:15] What experiment Matheus finds most exciting and coolest
[05:53] What he thinks works and what does not in B2B that applies to B2C
[08:48] How he comes up with experimentation ideas
[12:32] The mistakes he thinks companies make in the context of growth experimentation
[16:27] His recommendations for companies on starting experimentation
[19:53] Going deep into how good friction is in improving onboarding conversion
[24:05] The importance of getting the whole organization involved in thinking about experimentations
[26:47] His bits of advice for companies on growth experimentation
[28:24] Where to find more about Matheus and Productboard
About Matheus Mello
Matheus Mello is a product management and growth professional who is passionate about building valuable and outcome-driven products. He has impressive experiences in leading growth and experimentation teams, B2B and B2C SaaS, CRO, activation, monetization, and retention. Matheus has accomplished so much in his career. Among these are: assisted organizations forge and grow marketing and product experimentation processes, he made generating more than 100Million dollars worth of Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR) possible with successful growth experiments, he made utility products the best performing the first-purchase category of Avast in 2018, and has product managed physical and digital products globally.
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Mar 2, 2021 • 13min
Product-Led Podcast Turns One Year Old - $2k Giveaway
This show is memorable as Product-Led Podcast turns one! A great year of featuring world-class product leaders and learning how they grow their business through the product. Get excited as Ramli and Wes make this episode special in celebration of its first anniversary. With that, both will be sharing the Top Three big year-worth of learnings from the podcast. Listen until the end to know what surprise awaits the listeners as PLP’s way of saying thank you!
Show Notes
[01:21] Wes’ biggest takeaways around the podcast
[02:30] Ramli on recalling podcasts on empathy
[04:00] Wes’ takeaway on on-going optimization
[05:23] The triple-A model in Wes’ book
[06:01] Ramli’s takeaway on the importance of working as a team
[09:06] Making PLP better throughout the year and their requests from the listeners
[10:28] PLP’s surprise for the listeners
[11:16] Wes’ thank you message for the listeners
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Feb 23, 2021 • 12min
Going beyond CRO: An Inside Look at Today's Product-Led Growth Teams
Understanding your customers and providing the best experience for them on product experimentation is quite a trend nowadays. Companies are now shifting to Experience Optimization.
In this episode, Jean-Yves Simon will talk about how organizations use experimentation today. With this, he will talk on Experience Optimization and go beyond Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO). He will also tell us about the kind of technology that you can use to do CRO tests and how customer success in the era of PLG is becoming more product-focused.
Learn today’s trend in the industry! This episode will help PLG practitioners to make better their business through Experience Optimization. Do not miss this episode!
Show Notes
[01:36] JY on building his carer with AB Tasty
[02:11] His view on experience optimization as part of the product development life cycle
[03:14] His opinion on what PLG companies need to put more experience in product experiments
[04:21] Tools he recommends to have a whole experience optimization in companies
[06:20] What the whole experience optimization looks like vs traditional optimization for him
[07:53] What the experience optimization team composition is and its functions for him
[09:46] His important advice on looking at side KPIs and customer success to PLG practitioners
About Jean-Yves Simon
Jean-Yves Simon is a product leader who specializes in SaaS with deep expertise in MarTech and AdTech platforms & Apps, including Display, Email and Data platforms. He is the current Senior Vice President for Products at AB Tasty.
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Jean-Yves Simon on LinkedInAB Tasty WebsiteAB Tasty session at the Product Led SummitSegment Website

Feb 16, 2021 • 15min
Why You Need Strong Leaders to Shift from Sales-Led to Product-Led
The pandemic remains to be a global concern. At this challenging time, digital companies are forced into making shifts from sales led to product led to stay in business. However, this is not an easy shift to do. But this did not stop PatSnap from doing it.
In this episode, Jeffrey will talk about how the pandemic triggered the company to make the shift and what obstacles the company encountered throughout the process. He will also share how the company made the shift and how they handled the hurdles along the way. Through the shifting, the company also formed its PLG Team. Jeffrey will put more sense on the team’s purpose and its mechanics, as well as the adjustments they made to make way for the product-led transition.
This episode will give listeners an idea of what it is like to shift gears from being a sales-led company to a product-led one. Great advice from Jefferey awaits the listeners. Do not miss this episode!
Show Notes
[00:50] What triggered PatSnap product-led journey
[02:33] Their obstacles in shifting and how they handled them
[04:21] The Top-Down approach adjustments they made from shifting
[05:56] What Jeffrey thinks is the right move that the company did
[07:16] How they prepared for implementing the shift to PLG
[09:03] PatSnap’s PLG Team
[11:22] The experiments that the company did along with the shift
[12:09] What did not go well in the course of implementing the shift
[13:35] His bits of advice to companies on becoming or implementing product-led
About Jeffrey Tiong
Jeffrey Tiong is the founder and CEO at PatSnap, a fast-growing Innovation big data SaaS companies, that invests over trillions of dollars for Research and Development (R&D) worldwide. The company’s mission is to help R&D thought leaders globally improve by providing a suite of R&D analytic and management tools for businesses, universities, start-ups and research organizations.
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Feb 9, 2021 • 34min
#HowIGotHere with Matt Bilotti (Hosted By Andrew Capland)
In a tech company, the road to success is to scale up. After successfully creating a super product and having a base of happy users, the next option is optimizing growth by scaling it up. With this, it is necessary to have a growth team plan and conduct a series of growth tests to scale product usage.
In this episode, Matt will talk about his experiences in working on growth in Drift and Hubspot. He will also talk about how it has helped him evolve with the team to work with various departments and handle multiple roles and functions. He will also share his learnings based on his mistakes and his realizations on what he needs to do to make things better for the company in the future.
This episode will help those who are starting with growth. Listen and get your takeaways from Matt.
Show Notes
[00:50] About Matt and what he does
[01:59] On being a product person with a growth mindset
[02:23] How he started doing growth roles with Drift
[06:06] His story on the 0 to 1 moments early on
[08:49] On the reality of Drift starting with a not-so-clean data
[11:41] Working with Hubspot and his takeaways
[14:05] The importance of focusing on the value for users and the problem at hand
[16:04] On growth team goals and its pressures
[18:29] How he sees the growth version of Hubspot and Drift’s first version
[21:11] How the team and projects at Drift evolved over time
[23:33] How his role changes over time with growth at Drift
[25:18] How the other angle of growth type work influenced him on what he does
[26:51] What skills he focused on to be successful in his role and achieving plans
[28:35] His learning moments
[30:55] What he could have done differently, working on growth, to bring people on the loop
[33:18] About his Growth Podcast
About Matt Bilotti
Matt Bilotti is the Product Lead, Growth & Lifecycle at Drift. Being with Drift for five and a half years, he has watched the company grow from earning $0 to $107M in revenue. He has worked across departments, roles, and functions with his core footing in product-based roles. He wrote a book with David Cancel entitled Burndown: A Better Way To Build Products and he has the Growth Podcast for Drift.
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Feb 2, 2021 • 15min
How to Become a Product-Led Pro with Wes Bush and Ramli John
In this special episode, Wes and Ramli will introduce a new and unique product to support companies or teams in climbing up the ladder of success in handling their Product-Led business: the Product-Led Pro Accelerator Program. This program uses a nonlinear approach to learning. It helps in transitioning or scaling up a Product-Led business and being successful through learning from the experts.
Learn more about the program as Wes and Ramli will answer these questions: Who are the target participants/audiences? What are the benefits for those who will be joining the enriching program? What are the four components of the program cycle and other features of the program?
If this is what you need in your business, then, this is an episode that you do not want to miss!
Show Notes
[00:31] The 6-weeks Product-Led Pro Accelerator Program
[03:51] What companies need to consider in joining the program
[05:13] The target participants/audiences of the program
[06:39] What big groups or teams joining the program awaits
[09:01] What makes the program unique
[10:01] The Interactive learning component of the program
[11:18] The “seeing what drives results” component of the program
[12:29] The “doing what best works” component of the program
[13:03] The review component to complete the program cycle
[13:30] Other features of the program in the future
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Wes Bush on LinkedInRamli John on LinkedInProduct-Led ProEmail Address: courses@productled.comWes Bush's Email Address: wes@productled.comRamli's Email Address: ramli@productled.com

Jan 26, 2021 • 42min
Improve Your User Onboarding With Jobs-To-Be-Done Insights
Robbie Allan is the Group Product Manager at Intercom, the only suite of customer messaging products designed to drive growth at every stage of the customer lifecycle—acquisition, support, and engagement. In this episode, Robbie talked about the importance of user onboarding for companies, how jobs-to-be-done can affect user onboarding, and his aha moment.
Show Notes
[03:55] How long he’s working at Intercom and how he got started in his current role
[05:30] The importance of user onboarding for companies
[08:54] Why most companies get onboarding wrong
[12:27] His suggestion for teams who want to improve their onboarding
[14:37] Who should own onboarding
[18:18] How jobs to be done can affect user onboarding
[23:24] How the four forces come into play
[27:05] What to do when there are multiple jobs-to-be-done
[30:30] His aha moment
[32:39] When the initial onboarding is done
[37:44] His advice to podcast listeners
[41:03] Where people can find out more about him and Intercom
About Robbie Allan
Robbie Allan is a seasoned SaaS product leader with a top-tier strategy background. He also has world-class B2B SaaS experience and a passion for sales and marketing. Currently, he is the Group Product Manager at Intercom, the business manager loved by businesses and customers alike. Today, over 30,000 businesses use Intercom to connect with over a billion people worldwide!
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