
Curious Minds at Work
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
Latest episodes

Sep 26, 2016 • 39min
CM 055: Jocelyn Glei On Slaying The Email Dragon
What stands between us and meaningful work? Email!
It is killing our productivity and distracting us from the creative work we crave, yet we spend over a quarter of our work week on it. What is behind our addiction and what can we do about it?
Jocelyn Glei, author of the book, Unsubscribe: How to Kill Email Anxiety, Avoid Distractions, and Get Real Work Done, explains the science behind our addiction and offers strategies for prioritizing meaningful work. Jocelyn is the founding editor of 99U and editor of three productivity books, including the bestseller, Manage Your Day-to-Day.
In this interview, we talk about:
The challenge of living in an age of distraction
Why it is easier to be busy than to focus on meaningful work
How, on average, we check email 11 times an hour and process 122 emails daily
How we spend over a quarter of work time on email
How the random rewards of email keep us addicted
How completion bias makes us strive for inbox zero
How designs like progress bars and percentages speak to our completion bias
How our negativity bias influences every email that we read
How empathy, emoticons, and punctuation can compensate for negativity bias
The fact that email goes awry because of a missing social feedback loop
How empathy goes a long way in overcoming email negativity bias
Email is great for asking but awful for declining
The difference between an email asker and an email guesser
What it means to do creative, meaningful work
Steps we can take to ensure meaningful work rules the day
The role momentum plays in doing meaningful work
Why we need to synchronize calendars with to-do lists
How scarcity of time and resources impacts capacity, mindset, and attitude
Tech setups to help us avoid frequent email checks
How the best way to fail at email is to rely on program defaults
Why the more we check our email, the less happy we are
How segmenting emails senders helps us decide which emails to ready by when
The fact that not all email messages are created equal
How quickly we respond to emails sets expectations
How to ensure your emails stand out
How productivity can be about what we choose not to do
Why we need to spend more time deciding than doing
Why it is about leaving a legacy
Episode Links
@jkglei
http://jkglei.com/
B. F. Skinner
Daniel Goleman and emotional intelligence
Mark McGuinness
Scarcity: Why Having Too Little Means So Much
Gloria Mark
Manage Your Day to Day
Clayton Christensen
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Sep 19, 2016 • 36min
CM 054: Amantha Imber On The Formula For Innovation
Is there a formula for innovation? Yes! And the most successful individuals, teams, and organizations rely on it to achieve their goals.
Innovation psychologist, bestselling author, and Founder of the leading innovation firm in Australia, Inventium, Amantha Imber has worked with organizations like Google, Disney, LEGO, and Virgin. In her book, The Innovation Formula: The 14 Science-backed Keys for Creating a Culture Where Innovation Thrives, she distills the science behind game-changing innovation and offers concrete examples of what leaders can do to cultivate it in their teams.
In this interview, we talk about:
What it means to democratize innovation in our organizations
Innovation as change that adds value
What happens when we assign projects for challenge vs capacity
The Imagination Breakthroughs Project at GE
The diminishing returns of cash rewards for performance
Why leaders are trading cash for time to support innovation
Guarding against groupthink in long-standing teams
The value in walking in stupid for doing innovative work
The kind of leadership that sets the most innovative organizations apart
Why leaders should do innovative work rather than delegate it
How the Kickbox project helps companies like Adobe spark innovation
Why blue-sky brainstorming is a lazy way to innovate
Innovative ways Engineers without Borders and Tata Group learn from failure
The power of assuming abundance by sharing generously
Why we need a certain level of noise to do creative work
Hack-in-a-box to support student innovation and entrepreneurship
Episode Links
@amantha
http://www.inventium.com.au/
Jeff Immelt of GE
Imagination Breakthroughs at GE
Wieden + Kennedy Advertising
Originals by Adam Grant
Adobe Kickbox project
Tata Group
Engineers without Borders
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Sep 12, 2016 • 45min
CM 053: Amy Whitaker on Carving Out Creative Space
How do we make time for creative work, and how do we sustain it?
Amy Whitaker, author of Art Thinking: How to Carve Out Creative Space in a World of Schedules, Budgets, and Bosses, tells us how. Writer, artist, researcher, and teacher, Amy works at the intersection of art and commerce. She holds an MBA from Yale and an MFA from the Slade School of Fine arts. She is also a professor at New York University.
In this interview, we talk about:
Why art and creativity are responsible for our greatest human contributions
That art is the opposable thumbs equivalent of what makes us human
How creativity is about personal discovery and contribution
The fact that creativity is not a distant land of mythic geniuses and art theorists
The value in taking a wide-angle or systems view for art thinking
The role of play and creativity in important scientific discoveries
How to develop a habit of studio space for creative work
Why it is normal to feel disoriented and vulnerable while creating
The importance of working in the weeds to feel alive
Why we need to trade discernment for judgment
Whether we are standing at the easel versus sitting in the armchair
The power of becoming a good noticer
How creatives are inventing point B rather than moving toward it
When Roger Bannister broke the 4-minute mile and what it did for running
Inspiring ways to manage creatives
Why managing is about creating the space for creatives to do their work
The importance of good enough versus perfect or right
Why creatives need to think about the letter versus the envelope
Why we need to have our own metaphors
Thoughts on Leonardo da Vinci if he were alive today
Why we need to find language for the middle space
Episode Links
http://www.amywhit.com/
@theamywhit
Thomas J. Fogarty
Takahiko Masuda
Target blindness
Brene Brown
Amy Poehler
Harper Lee
Actor-observer bias
Truman Capote
Reframe: Shift the Way You Work, Innovate, and Think by Mona Patel
Kristian Still
Dialectical behavioral therapy
Amy Schumer
Cubism
Brexit
Roger Bannister and YouTube video of him breaking the 4-minute mile
Donald Keough and New Coke
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Sep 5, 2016 • 32min
CM 052: Tom Davenport On Avoiding Obsolescence in an Automated Age
Smart machines are coming, so what are we doing about it?
Instead of cowering in fear, what if we took a proactive approach? What if there were a playbook we could use to anticipate and thrive in an increasingly automated world?
In his book, Only Humans Need Apply: Winners and Losers in the Age of Smart Machines, Thomas Davenport, offers ways to accomplish that goal. His book is a guide for employees and students who want to know what they can do to work successfully with smart machines.
Tom is a Professor in Management and Information Technology at Babson College and co-founder of the International Institute for Analytics. He is also a Fellow of the MIT Initiative on the Digital Economy and a Senior Advisor to Deloitte Analytics. He teaches analytics and big data at Babson, Harvard, MIT, and Boston University and has written over 17 books
In this interview, we talk about:
What the number of bank tellers working today can tell us about smart machines
10 reasons to look over your shoulder for smart machines in your own work
What separates humans from machines
The 4 markers of machine smartness and which one we are living now
Why employers should aim for augmentation vs automation wherever possible
How smart machines can liberate us to do more creative and valuable work
Augmentation at its best in freestyle chess
How we can step in with machines in the workplace
Why we would want to step up with machines in the workplace
What it looks like to step forward with machines in the workplace
How we might step aside with machines in the workplace
How some are stepping narrowly with machines in the workplace
Why every organization needs an Automation Leader
Why we need to get past STEM as the only solution
The important role organizations play in providing professional learning
Why Tom argues against universal basic income
How companies can be more resilient in a digital age with increased competition
The fact that so few of our political leaders are talking about this big shift
Episode Links
@tdav
http://www.tomdavenport.com/
Oxford Study on The Future of Employment
Bricklaying Robots
Ex Machina
Freestyle chess
Former WaMu Risk Officer
Stretch by Karie Willyerd
2020 Workplace Report
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Aug 29, 2016 • 32min
CM 051: Devora Zack on Singletasking for a Richer, Happier Life
Multitasking is a myth. And we are poorer for trying to do it.
The research shows that we have less productivity, more stress, diminished creativity, and poorer relationships when we try to do many things at once. And yet, in a hyper-connected world, we can often feel like we have no other choice.
And yet, if we honored how are brains are designed, we would see that singletasking is the answer. That is the message and the research that Devora Zack, author of Singletasking: Get More Done -- One Thing at a Time, wants you to hear. And she gives practical tips about how to do it even in the most frenetic of moments.
Devora is the author of two previous books, Networking for People Who Hate Networking and Managing for People Who Hate Managing, and CEO of Only Connect Consulting. She’s worked with clients at Cornell University, London Business School, and Deloitte, and is a visiting faculty member at Cornell University. Her work has been featured in Fast Company, Forbes, and the Wall Street Journal.
In this interview, we talk about:
The myth of multitasking
How single tasking ups our productivity and creativity and state of flow
Using time shifting to avoid a multitasking mindset
The price we pay for multitasking
The fact that excessive media multitaskers have trouble remembering
Why single tasking requires us to commit to a choice
Tips for starting small with single tasking
The three different ways most of us make sense of the world and why they matter
How accessibility and our need to please can prevent us from single tasking
Why single tasking lets us bring the best version of ourselves to what we do
The fact that some prefer to shock themselves than sit in silence
How device-free staff meetings can increase focus and productivity
A great tip for being more fully present with friends and family
Ways to build fences to prevent interruptions before they occur
The power of cluster tasking with tasks we do daily
What we can do and say when colleagues interrupt us
Tips for open plan offices and colleague interruptions
What team members think and feel about leaders who single task
The connection between happiness and single tasking
Episode Links
@Devora_Zack
http://www.myonlyconnect.com/
Deep Work by Cal Newport
People Prefer Electric Shocks to Being Alone with Their Thoughts
Slow Reading Club
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Aug 22, 2016 • 37min
CM 050: Julia Shaw on the Science of Memory
Can you trust your memory? Probably not.
Research shows that we can be convinced fairly easily that we are guilty of a crime we did not commit. We not only misremember information, but we can misremember information about the wrong person. Add to that the fact that when someone else tells us how they remember something, it can alter our memory of that same event, person, or situation.
These insights, along with many others from memory research, are changing how we think about law and order, learning, and what makes us human. False memory researcher and criminal psychologist, Julia Shaw, is one of only a handful of experts in the field. A senior lecturer and researcher in the Department of Law and Social Sciences at London South Bank University and author of The Memory Illusion: Remembering, Forgetting, and the Science of False Memory, she works with members of the military and law enforcement. She is also a regular contributor to Scientific American.
In this interview, we talk about:
What the blue-gold dress phenomenon revealed about how our brains work
Why we need less evidence to convict someone who looks less trustworthy
Why we form stronger memories when others are same race, age, or gender
Why we reminisce most strongly about moments from our teens and 20s
Why we have rosy memories of most of our firsts in life
What actually happens in our brains when we form a memory
How memories get stamped in our brains
The fact that we simply cannot multitask - it is humanly impossible - and why
Why it is that whenever we remember we also forget
How to get someone to think they saw Bugs Bunny at Disneyland
Why we should write things down rather than try to remember them
Why understanding how unreliable our memories can be is liberating
How attention is the glue between reality and your memory
The vital importance of sleep to build lasting memories
How we all suffer from overconfidence when it comes to our memories
Why there is a right way to ask questions when we need to gather information
How to avoid asking leading questions that may create false memories
How photos can prompt false memories
The fact that we implant false memories in each other all the time
How creating memories with others may ensure more accurate memories
How social media can result in muddled memories
Why we need to continually update memories to learn
Why the flexibility of our brains -- and our memories -- is a beautiful thing
How we can convince people they committed crimes that never happened
How false memory research can change the legal system
How we can mistake the false memories of others for lying
Episode Links
http://www.drjuliashaw.com/
@drjuliashaw
London South Bank University
The Dress
Own race bias
Reminiscence bump
Rohypnol
Retrieval-induced forgetting
The Honest Truth about Dishonesty by Dan Ariely
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Aug 15, 2016 • 32min
CM 049: Arun Sundararajan on the Sharing Economy
We all share, but today, millions get paid for it. Is this new trend just a fad or is it radical rethink for how we work?
When we catch a ride with an Uber driver or contract with someone on Upwork, we marvel at the convenience. What we often overlook is the amount of trust it takes to ride with a stranger or to work with someone we may never meet. Yet that level of trust is what is driving the sharing economy, a form of commerce that harkens back to the 11th-century Maghribi traders.
In his book, The Sharing Economy: The End of Employment and the Rise of Crowd-based Capitalism, NYU Stern Professor Arun Sundararajan provides the context and the history for how we got here. He also paints a picture for where we are headed, particularly when it comes to labor and safety policies and regulations. A recognized authority on the sharing economy, he has written for the New York Times, Wired, the Financial Times, and Harvard Business Review.
In this interview, we talk about:
What makes the sharing economy similar to 18th-century commerce
How we are making the shift away from corporate buying to peer purchasing
How the sharing economy is blurring the lines between personal and professional
How the pendulum is swinging back to relationships, connections, and gifts
How the sharing economy speaks to our yearning for making and connection
What the 11th-century Maghribi traders can teach us about trust and commerce
Ways the sharing economy encourages us to do a better job
Whether the sharing economy can reduce inequality
How the sharing economy requires different labor regulations and policies
How the government can partner with platforms to rethink regulations
How labor regulations were designed for an era of full-time workers
Why our economy will increasingly rely on stakeholders other than government
How blockchain tech promises a world where crowd is market maker
Why trust is embedded in this economic shift
How new forms of trust will enable new forms of commerce
What is it about digital cues that help us trust one another?
Episode Links
Arun Sundararajan
@DigitalArun
The Gift by Lewis Hyde
Robert Nesbitt
Sherry Turkle
Karl Marx
Emile Durkheim
Maghribi Traders
Capital by Thomas Piketty
The Inevitable by Kevin Kelly
New York University Stern School of Business
Upcounsel
HourlyNerd
Gigster
Upwork
BlaBlaCar
Blockchain technology
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Aug 8, 2016 • 38min
CM 048: Dacher Keltner on the Power Paradox
Is there a secret to lasting power? Yes, and Dacher Keltner has been teaching leaders about it for decades. And the secret is not the ruthless, manipulative approach associated with 15th-century politician and writer Niccolo Machiavelli. It is actually the opposite.
As a University of California, Berkeley, Professor of Psychology, and Founder and Director of the Greater Good Science Center, Dacher Keltner shares research-based insights he has gained. And in his latest book, The Power Paradox: How We Gain and Lose Influence, he discusses a new science of power and 20 guiding power principles.
In this interview, we talk about:
How the legacy of Niccolo Machiavelli continues to inform power
Why power is about so much more than dominance, manipulation, and ruthlessness
Why we need to question a coercive model of power
The short- versus long-term impact of different kinds of power
Why power is about lifting others up
Why lasting power is given, not grabbed
The important role that reputation, gossip and esteem play in who gains power
How, within days, group members already know who holds the power
What makes for enduring power
How our body language and words speak volumes about power
Why Abraham Lincoln is a fascinating study of empathetic power
The fact that great and powerful leaders are incredible storytellers
How feeling powerful makes us less aware of risk
How feeling powerful makes us less empathetic, attentive and responsive to others
How feeling powerful actually overrides the part of our brain that signals empathy
How drivers of more expensive cars (46 percent) tend to ignore pedestrians
How powerful people often tell themselves stories to justify hierarchies
The price we pay for powerlessness
Concrete ways we can cultivate enduring, empathetic power
Gender and power
Why the key to parenting is to empower children to have a voice in the world
Episode Links
Dacher Keltner
Greater Good Science Center
Frans de Waal
The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli
Thomas Clarkson and the abolition movement
Why Civil Resistance Works by Erica Chenoweth and Maria J. Stephan
House of Cards
The 100-Year Life by Lynda Gratton and Andrew Scott
What Works by Iris Bohnet
Arturo Behar and Facebook
Greater Good in Action
Science of Happiness course on edX
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Aug 1, 2016 • 51min
CM 047: Todd Rose on the Myth of Average
Average is a myth, so why should it control our lives? We measure ourselves -- and others -- against averages all the time. Think GPAs, personality tests, standardized test results, performance review ratings. These are average measures that tell us little about what makes us unique. And this is not just a feel-good argument. It is a mathematical fact.
In his bestselling book, The End of Average: How We Succeed in a World that Values Sameness, researcher, professor, and president of The Center for Individual Opportunity at Harvard, Todd Rose, explains the history of average and how it became so embedded in our culture. He goes on to explain why now, more than ever, we need to move beyond its impact on our schools and our workplaces.
In this interview, we talk about:
How the concept of average has done us more harm than good
The courage of a brilliant scientist to question average for the greater good
What newborns and chubby thighs can teach us about the limitations of average
How innovative organizations are tapping into the wisdom of jaggedness for hiring
Why organizations are relying on CodeFu to find great programming talent
Why the personality test industry is bigger than ever and more bankrupt
Why personality traits are context dependent, not inherent or static
Why unlocking the context of behavior can be game changing in helping kids
The important connection between environment and self control
Why faster does not equal smarter
Why we need to get rid of fixed-pace learning in schools
Thoughts on competency-based versus grade-based learning
Shifting from diplomas to micro-based credentials
Giving individuals more say in their learning pathways
What Todd Rose thinks about personalized learning and personalization
Why we need to keep equity at the forefront
What dark horses may have to teach us
Episode Links
@ltoddrose
http://www.toddrose.com/
The Center for Individual Opportunity
Adolphe Quetelet
Francis Galton
Edward Thorndike
Peter Molenaar
Esther Thelen and her study on newborn stepping reflex
IGN
CodeFu
Matthew B. Crawford and The World Beyond Your Head: Individuality in an Age of Distraction
Yuichi Shoda
Celeste Kidd
Khan Academy
Equifinality
Ogi Ogas
Kevin Kelly and Wired
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Jul 25, 2016 • 41min
CM 046: Kevin Kelly On How Tech Shapes Our Future
Do we shape tech or does it shape us? Turns out it is both. And that is just 1 of the 12 big ideas Kevin Kelly explores in his latest bestseller, The Inevitable: Understanding the 12 Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future. The Inevitable is a playbook to guide us through the seismic changes in life and work, caused by technologies becoming exponentially faster and smarter.
Kelly, Co-founder, former Executive Editor, and now Senior Maverick at Wired Magazine, takes us on a futuristic -- and highly believable ride -- from start to finish. Former publisher and editor of Whole Earth Review and Cool Tools, he is the author of other thought-provoking and visionary books, like New Rules for the New Economy, Out of Control, The Silver Cord, and What Technology Wants.
Kelly embodies what it means to be curious!
In this interview, we talk about:
Why continual tech upgrades will make us perpetual newbies
Why Kevin favors protopia, instead of utopia or dystopia
What it means to cognify
Why artificial intelligence is a feature, not a bug
Why we want and need the different kinds of intelligence that comes with AI
How we will work with robots to solve big problems
How robots will free us up to be artists, scientists, inventors, and creatives
How many of our jobs will be to invent jobs for the robots around us
How our technology places us in streams and flows that are dynamic, interactive, and chronological
Why personalization and immediacy will be better than free
How filters may negotiate on our behalf and sharpen our understanding of who we are
Why virtual reality is about presence and, more importantly, interactivity
Why one day anything that is not interactive will be considered broken
How interactivity will one day extend beyond our bodies to our emotions, facial expressions, voices, and more
Why if it matters, we will be able to tell whether it is human or nonhuman
Why tracking is inevitable and transparency around our data is a must
What Kevin means by covalence when it comes to our data
How we will come to a deeper, more nuanced understanding of privacy
Two things Kevin worries about
As AIs become more capable and integrated into our lives, how will we treat them?
As cyber conflicts and cyber wars continue, what rules will we establish?
How will our technology change us?
The importance of thinking much longer term than a generation or a corporate quarter
What a global government might look like and how we might get there
Episode Links
@kevin2kelly
http://kk.org/
Wired
Whole Earth Review
Protopia
Game of Thrones
The Third Wave by Steve Case
The Quantified Self
The Fitbit
Blockchain
Bitcoin
Boston Dynamics Quadrupeds
Star Trek
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