
Curious Minds at Work
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
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Mar 27, 2017 • 30min
CM 075: Andy Molinsky on Overcoming Your Fears
Do successful people possess talents that we lack? Or do they just do things that scare the rest of us?
Andy Molinsky wants to help us embrace difficult challenges that can lead to growth. He is the author of the book, Reach: A New Strategy to Help You Step Outside Your Comfort Zone, Rise to the Challenge, and Build Confidence, and a Professor of Psychology and Organizational Behavior at Brandeis International Business School.
Andy has spent his career studying how people learn to have difficult conversations, take on new roles, overcome shyness, and achieve the success they crave. He often writes on this topic for Harvard Business Review, The New York Times, Fast Company, The Economist and The Financial Times.
In this interview, we talk about:
Concrete steps you can take to step outside your comfort zone
The connections Andy made between what immigrants face and what we all face when we enter a new, challenging situation
How so much of learning new things and taking on new, stimulating challenges is about stepping outside our comfort zones
What we gain by stepping outside our comfort zones
Why it is about everyday acts of courage, like making smalltalk with supervisors, speaking up at meetings, connecting with someone who holds a different point of view
How reaching helps us grow and advance in our lives and jobs to take on new roles, achieve goals and dreams, and help others
The techniques we use to avoid reaching, like playing the avoidance game
The excuses we make when we try to avoid reaching and how they harm us
How perfectionists can avoid reaching
The important role scaffolding plays as we take on new challenges and opportunities
How we can customize or personalize aspects of a situation to feel more empowered
The props, behaviors, costumes, and poses we can employ when we reach
How fear is about trying to predict the future rather than living in the present
How reaching is so often a process of self discovery
The epiphanies we have when we reach -- easier than we thought and better than we imagined we would be
How a friend or colleague can remind us of how well we did the last time we reached in this way
Why sticking with it when things get hard means all the difference
How we can build small wins into our plan to help us gain perspective and resilience
Why reaching is really about learning, not failure
Why it is all about adopting a learning orientation
How keeping a diary can help us track our learning journey
Why reaching is about much more than taking a leap -- it includes planning, practicing, trying out tools and techniques
The fact that we are not alone when we feel uncomfortable reaching -- most of us feel this way
How so many of us feel like imposters when we reach
Links to Topics Mentioned in this Podcast
@AndyMolinsky
www.andymolinsky.com
Global Dexterity by Andy Molinsky
Emotional Agility by Susan David
Lev Vygotsky
Carol Dweck
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Mar 13, 2017 • 37min
CM 074: Lisa Kay Solomon On Designing Strategic Conversations
Leaders face an onslaught of new challenges that demand increasingly innovative solutions.
Yet their approaches to finding them often get stuck in either blue-sky brainstorming or bottom-line decision making. Instead, leaders need a path that blends these two approaches -- a middle road that engages not only the minds of their teams, but also their hearts.
To address these challenges, Lisa Kay Solomon co-authored the book, Moments of Impact: How to Design Strategic Conversations that Accelerate Change. Lisa is an innovation, leadership, and design expert and Principal Faculty and Managing Director of Transformational Practices at Singularity University. Her writing has been featured in BusinessWeek, the Wall Street Journal, and Forbes.
In this interview, we talk about:
Why we need to bring the human side -- our hearts and minds -- to strategic conversations
How designing strategic conversations is an important leadership skill
How strategic conversations differ from brainstorming and decision making
Why strategic conversations are about more than getting the right answer
Why these kinds of conversations are about the future of our organizations, of challenging the status quo, and of multiple perspectives, whether that involves new products and services, entry into new geographic regions, new business models, or new ways of staffing
How strategic conversations can help us build understanding and help us see what success looks like
The power of staying in the exploration space, staying expansive in our thinking
Why these conversations are about mindsets, emotions, new ways of thinking, and new possibilities versus logic, right over wrong, or defending particular points of view
Why strategic conversations require leaders to develop greater self-awareness and an understanding of their biases
Why strategy is emotional
How our education and schooling tees us up to think of strategic planning as all about the correct, numeric answer
The important role design thinking, empathy, and supposed soft skills play in strategic conversations
Why designing strategic conversations is a craft, not a crapshoot
The importance of engaging multiple perspectives rather than just identifying participants -- paying attention to diverse ages, people outside the organization, visualizations, etc
Why we should prepare participants before bringing them together, so that we set them up for success
How background readings, information on who else will be in the room, meeting goals, etc, can help participants do their best work
Why we want to design backwards when bringing people together for strategic conversations
The importance of asking what participants will be thinking or saying to friends before, during, and after strategic planning meetings
Why framing the issue of the strategic conversation is so important and so challenging
How framing the issue is like providing the picture on the puzzle box because it is about setting the parameters
How we can reframe discussions of market competitors by asking who is delivering value in new ways to our customers
Why a school considering adding a high school asked should we do it versus can we do it
Why leaders need to get comfortable bringing emotion into the room
How setting the agenda is about making it an experience, getting people invested, and engaging emotionally, rather than just about getting things done
Why we should value discussing our fears, what we care about, and what makes us nervous about the issues we are discussing
Addressing the yeah but of long-term vs short-term thinking and planning
Being able to speak to the reality of organizational politics and turf wars
Having empathy for knowing how to engage with one another in these ways -- with visualizations, storytelling, conversations, and new ways of thinking
Recognizing that strategic thinking can be learned and that it is a set of skills we ar...

Feb 27, 2017 • 49min
CM 073: Joi Ito on Navigating Our Faster Future
How can we stay on top of changes that are not only getting faster, but more complex?
We need strategies to take advantage of breakthroughs in fields as diverse as data mining, artificial intelligence and machine learning, since they are changing the ways we work, research, and live. To navigate this change, Joi Ito, Director of the MIT Media Lab and author of Whiplash, shares insights from research at the Lab and offers us nine strategies for surviving our faster future.
In this interview, he does a deep dive on creative problem solving, teams, diversity, and learning. He talks about:
How the Media Lab got started and the current focus of its work
The importance of the white space between and beyond disciplines
How the Media Lab has shifted from operating as a container to operating as a node
How neuroscientist Ed Boyden embodies the multi-disciplinary approach of the Lab
How pull over push problem solving is about finding and using the resources you need when you need them
How the 2011 Japanese earthquake became a focal point for pull over push problem solving
The power of diverse teams - and diverse tools - for creative problem solving
The sweet spot of disagreement and diversity among productive teams
When it comes to diversity, why we need to ask, are we looking to the other or just another?
How innovative cybersecurity folks are designing systems that assume failure rather than seeking to avoid it and how this is about resilience over strength
Why we need to think about the interaction among objects - the systems in which they operate - in order to innovate for greater success
The role nuance and complexity play in thinking about open source
How machine learning and artificial intelligence are impacting fields like cryptocurrency and genetic engineering
The fact that policies and regulations are behind where machine learning and artificial intelligence are taking us
Why lawyers need to learn more about tech and scientists need to learn more about ethical and legal issues
Kevin Esvelt and his work at the Media Lab in genetic engineering and his focus on responsible ways of deploying these tools in conjunction with everyday citizens
Why we cannot wait on ethicists and policymakers but must get scientists on board instead
How our education system is the opposite of what robots and artificial intelligence are ensuring we need when it comes to creativity and innovation
Why the Media Lab emphasizes the 4Ps of play, passion, projects, and peers and how that differs markedly from what U.S. schools are about
Why our education system and our schools need to be as dynamic and open to change as the fields that will have the greatest impact on us and them
How we might look to the ed system in Finland regarding assessment and project-based learning
The value of the Montessori approach
The value of looking at countries like India and others where they are experimenting with schools and learning
The power of informal, interest-driven learning
Why we should be spending more time on getting people engaged in their learning
Why he believes learning is a social and cultural problem, not a tech problem, and why we need to create a culture of learning
How he thought programming and coding would be more about mindset and creativity than employment
Why he believes we need to nudge human-machine interactions in the right direction
Episode Links
@Joi
https://joi.ito.com/
MIT Media Lab
Jerome Wiesner
Nicholas Negroponte
Marvin Minsky
Seymour Papert
Muriel Cooper
John Seely Brown
Ed Boyden
Optogenetics
Just-in-time manufacturing
The Inevitable by Kevin Kelly
Scott E. Page
Donella Meadows
Reid Hoffman
Kevin Esvelt and Rewriting the Code of Life
CRISPR
Mizuko Ito (Mimi Ito) and Hanging Out, Messing Around, and Geeking Out
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Feb 13, 2017 • 50min
CM 072: Bill Taylor on Innovation in Everyday Organizations
Can extraordinary innovation happen in ordinary organizations? Yes, if you know how.
In his latest book, Simply Brilliant: How Great Organizations Do Ordinary Things in Extraordinary Ways, Bill Taylor shines a spotlight on innovation in organizations such as banks, fast-food joints, and nonprofits. And he shares how they do it.
Co-founder of Fast Company and bestselling author of the books, Practically Radical and Mavericks at Work, Bill has written for the NYTimes, the Guardian, and Harvard Business Review, and he blogs regularly for HBR. In this interview, he talks about:
How Silicon Valley companies make up less than 10 percent of businesses
How having a compelling lighthouse identity helps ordinary organizations stand out
The 4 key elements of a lighthouse identity
What it looks like when innovation meets the ordinary world of banking
The fact that we want to do business with companies and brands that are fun
Why being ordinary is not an option for every day organizations
How an investor seeks out missionary over mercenary businesses
The role teaching and psychology play in a fast-food standout
What happens when leaders read and discuss books together
Why an every day company requires its leaders to teach
What it looks like when company expansion is driven by employee growth
How big and rapid growth can decrease what makes a young organization so special
The incredible role thought leadership plays in extraordinary organizations
What Bill learned by spending a training day with employees from Quicken Loans
How being bold, exciting and compelling in the marketplace requires we be that way in the workplace
How the most successful organizations prioritize ideas and people
Steps experts can take to see their work with fresh eyes
What jazz can teach leaders about provocative competence
What it takes to find our next ideas and why that is more important than ever
How a wildly successful company prioritized learning to get unstuck
Needing to ask: When is the last time you did something for the first time?
Why we need to spend less time being interesting and more time being interested
How being interested is about seeking out big ideas and small sources of inspiration
Needing to ask: Am I learning as fast as the world is changing?
Why the future is shaped by tough-minded optimists
The importance of asking how to help more people benefit from the wealth of the few
Episode Links
@williamctaylor
https://williamctaylor.com/
Metro Banks
Willy Wonka
John Doerr of KPKB
Pals Sudden Service
Malcolm Baldridge National Quality Award
The Art of Sun Tzu
The Innovation Formula by Amantha Imber
Quicken Loans and Dan Gilbert
Rosanne Haggerty and Community Solutions
MacArthur Fellows Program
Robert Wennett
WD-40
John W. Gardner
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www.gayleallen.net
LinkedIn
@GAllenTC

Jan 30, 2017 • 40min
CM 071: Ibram Kendi on Rethinking Racist Ideas in America
Innovators often invent the future and some do so by rethinking the past. For example, innovative historical researchers not only help us understand what happened yesterday, they improve how we respond to those issues today.
Ibram Kendi is one of those researchers. In his book, Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America, he uncovers the history of racist ideas in America. Winner of the 2016 National Book Award, his research reveals that racist policies fuel ignorance and hate, rather than the other way around. His findings challenge what many of us were taught to believe about racism in America today and the strategies we use to address it.
Highlights from our conversation include:
How racist ideas stem from racist policies that reinforce power structures
History shows that 200+ years of educating and persuading away racism has been less impactful than eliminating racist policies
How uplift suasion has worked against blacks by making them believe they are responsible for the racist ideas of others
Why there is a very real mutual interest in working against racism, sexism, homophobia, and poverty to eliminate one and all of these isms
How eliminating racist policies and disparities are key to eliminating racist ideas
The fact that racist ideas connote racial hierarchy while anti-racist ideas connote racial equality
How misleading statistics and unscientific approaches reinforce negative stereotypes around predominantly black neighborhoods
How the academic achievement gap is a racist idea
Three perspectives on our ongoing historical debate on race - segregationism, anti-racism, assimilation - and what they mean for blacks
How W.E.B DuBois helped us recognize that black striving for suasion and uplift maintains false notions of black inferiority
How Angela Davis taught us about the complexities of our identities in terms of gender, race, class, sex, age, etc
How scientific racism served to reinforce notions of black inferiority
How even after scientific racism was disproven by biologists and geneticists those in power wanted to fixate on any tiny percentage of difference to reinforce superiority
How the debates we are having today about race are not new and are informed by a long history of racist policies in the US that allow those in power to argue that blacks are inferior
How the US government sought to use deportation to evict freed slaves
Episode Links
@DrIbram
http://www.ibram.org/
Jefferson Davis
Weapons of Math Destruction by Cathy ONeil
How the Academic Achievement Gap is a Racist Idea by Ibram Kendi
Cotton Mather
Thomas Jefferson
William Lloyd Garrison
W. E. B. DuBois
Double consciousness
Angela Davis
Intersectionality
Bill Clinton
Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People by Mahzarin Banaji and Anthony Greenwald
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Jan 16, 2017 • 36min
CM 070: Francesca Gino on the Benefits of Nonconformity at Work
Employee engagement is at an all-time low, but why? Francesca Gino, an expert on employee engagement and productivity, advises that if we do only one thing to fix it, we should encourage our employees to stop conforming and be themselves. When she and members of her research team introduced small interventions that encouraged people to be more authentic, the results were dramatic.
Francesca is a Professor at Harvard Business School and author of the recent Harvard Business Review article, Fostering Rebel Talent at Work. She has won numerous awards for her work in psychology and management, and her research has been featured in publications like The Economist, The New York Times, and Scientific American. She is also author of the book, Sidetracked.
Highlights from our conversation include:
Why being ourselves at work increases engagement, creativity, and productivity
How authenticity at work increases employee engagement and retention
How opportunities to reflect on our strengths and unique qualities as early as onboarding increase our engagement and desire to stay on
Why engagement goes up when we ask employees to share strengths during onboarding
Concrete ways to encourage new employees to add to organizational culture
How reflecting on who we are increases happiness and engagement
Simple ways we can be authentic at work without waiting for permission
The importance of asking why we do things this way
How an award-winning chef helps his employees be authentic at work
How it takes courage to be authentic and why it breeds success
How leaders can model non-conformity for their employees
What leaders can say to encourage employees to voice dissent
How leaders can make clear when conformity is the rule
The one quality a high-powered search firm seeks in candidates above all others
How curious people can be better decision makers and creatives
Why asking people to read a variety of books may hold the key to fostering creativity
How her own experience coming to the U.S. from Italy led her to the research she does
That rebel talent is something we can learn to embrace and cultivate
How leaders can start small to help their employees be themselves at work
Episode Links
@francescagino
http://francescagino.com
360-degree feedback
HBR
The Conversational Firm by Catherine Turco
Massimo Bottura and Osteria Francescana
elBulli
Mellody Hobson and Ariel Investment
Egon Zehnder
Pixar and Ed Catmull
IDEO
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Jan 2, 2017 • 36min
CM 069: Lipson and Kurman on Our Driverless Future
Self-driving cars are just around the corner. Are you ready?
With the advent of machine learning and related tech, autonomous cars are more technologically mature than most of us think. Yet old-school policies and regulations are lagging behind, making it difficult for large scale adoption to take place. Essentially, driverless tech has become a people, rather than a technology, problem.
To help us sort out the complicated landscape on our horizon, Hod Lipson and Melba Kurman wrote the book, Driverless: Intelligent Cars and the Road Ahead. Lipson, a roboticist at Columbia University who specializes in artificial intelligence and digital manufacturing, and Kurman, an expert on the impact of technology on the economy and our daily lives, lay out the advances in technology that got us here and the benefits and challenges that lie ahead.
Highlights from our interview include:
The staggering number of lives self-driving cars will save
How the maturity of driverless tech has outpaced updates to policies and regulations
How traditional models of car insurance do not hold up to what autonomous cars require
How a safety standard comparing driverless tech to humans is key
How driverless tech can reduce noise and idling pollution
Ways parking spaces and garages can be repurposed with fewer cars on the road
The fact that city planners are focusing on public transportation and neglecting driverless tech and its impact on transportation budgets
The important safety challenge of an incremental versus an all-out shift to driverless tech
How driverless tech is now able to out-perceive humans at the wheel
The role DARPA played in advancing driverless accelerating driverless tech
How a shift from rules-based to machine learning birthed driverless car tech
How sensors and software feed information to driverless cars
How a combination of sensors and software help driverless tech overcome individual vulnerabilities in tech
How gaming software held the key to advancing driverless tech
The role ImageNet played in advancing image perception needed for driverless cars
The fact that deep learning includes machines learning what we may not have words for
Why we need to be talking about the impact of driverless tech on jobs
How driverless tech can reduce isolation and increase mobility for the elderly and visually impaired
How networked driverless cars can amass thousands of lifetimes of experience very quickly as they learn from one another in ways humans cannot
How the shift to self-driving cars is less about the tech and more about the human issues of policies and regulations
How driverless tech will usher in new businesses we cannot even imagine or predict
Episode Links
Creative Machines Lab at Columbia University
DARPA Grand Challenge
The Grid by Gretchen Bakke
Lidar
GPUs
ImageNet
Deep learning
Qualia
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Dec 26, 2016 • 35min
CM 068: Michelle Segar on Exercise for Life
If you struggle with exercise, Michelle Segar has a secret for you: Stop blaming yourself! Blame the system!
After years of studying the science of motivation, Michelle Segar, Ph.D., Director of SHARP -- the Sport, Health, and Activity research and policy center at the University of Michigan -- has created a framework for rethinking exercise that swaps out prescription for meaning. Filled with practical tips and strategies, Michelle’s bestselling book, No Sweat: How the Simple Science of Motivation Can Bring You a Lifetime of Fitness, is informed by years of putting these findings into practice with people just like you.
Some of the things we discuss in this interview:
How systems determine our success in sustaining physical activity
Why exercise is about so much more than weight loss
Why finding the right whys make all the difference in our health and wellness
How reflecting on how we feel when we move can help us sustain activity
Why relying on willpower is such a short-sighted strategy
The important role of emotions and decision making in activity for life
Why meaning trumps should every time when it comes to changing our behaviors
How we approach eating following a workout we enjoy versus a workout like work
How exercise recommendations became so prescriptive
Fewer than 1 percent of American adults know how much exercise is recommended
How small of a role logical and rational behavior play in our choosing to exercise
Why we need a new kind of fitness prescription based on how we live and feel
How we help others when we prioritize our self care
How a go-to activity resource prevents us from wasting time and energy
Why reflecting on the immediate benefits of physical exercise fuels us long term
The importance of finding exercise we love
Getting past the idea that movement only counts when we sustain it for periods of time
How awareness of our current situation empowers us to take ownership for what we want it to be
Why negotiation skills can reap big benefits in helping us create time for physical activity
Episode Links
@MichelleSegar
http://michellesegar.com/
Paulo Freire
Dan Ariely
Behavioral economics
Reward Substitution
Self-determination theory
No Sweat Resolutions Quiz
2015 USA Best Book Awards
SHARP at the University of Michigan
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Dec 19, 2016 • 30min
CM 067: Mick Ebeling on Achieving the Impossible
Have you ever felt powerless to improve the lives of those less fortunate than you?
Mick Ebeling believes that the key to helping many is to start by helping just one. He shares details and examples of this in his book, Not Impossible, The Art and Joy of Doing What Couldn’t be Done. Mick explains that through this philosophy, we not only solve an immediate problem, but we also learn more about what else we can do.
Thought leader, speaker, and founder of Not Impossible, Mick and his team are crowdsourcing solutions through tech to help people around the globe. Along the way, he is helping us to see how powerful each one of us is to create change in the world.
Here are some of the things that came up in our conversation:
How it all started when Mick connected with LA graffiti artist Tony Quan
The value he places on tech to meet human and social needs
The power of committing first and then figuring it out - where it leads
The important role diverse team members play in solving real-world problems
How taking the time to see others in your world can lead to incredible change
After 7 years with ALS Tony got to draw and communicate again with the Eyewriter
What happened when Tony could no longer blink? He used brain waves.
The inspiring story of 3D printing and Project Daniel
The story behind the powerful quote to preach always and when necessary, use words
How Mick wound up taking charge on printing out 3D limbs
What we learn and the impact we can have when we help start by helping one person
How he got to his philosophy of helping one to help many
Why his organization strives to keep innovative tech prices low
How emotion plays a key role in determining which projects to take on
The role of inspiring stories in picking projects and spreading the words
How we do not need expertise to effect change in the world
Ask why something needs to happen rather than how - why that is key
Every single thing that surrounds us today was once impossible
How not knowing what you cannot do is so freeing
Episode Links
@MickEbeling
www.notimpossible.com
Mick Ebeling TED Talk
Tony Tempt One Quan
Time Magazine Top 25 Inventions
EyeWriter
Cameron Rodriguez
Optical character technology
Open source
The BrainWriter
Consumer EEG Devices
Project Daniel
Dr. Tom Catena
Richard Van As
Maker Faire
Gait Trainer
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Dec 12, 2016 • 37min
CM 066: Cathy O’Neil on the Human Cost of Big Data
Algorithms make millions of decisions about us every day. For example, they determine our insurance premiums, whether we get a mortgage, and how we perform on the job.
Yet, what is more alarming is that data scientists also write the code that fires good teachers, drives up the cost of college degrees and lets criminals evade detection. Their mathematical models are biased in ways that wreak deep and lasting havoc on people, especially the poor.
Cathy O’Neil explains all this and more in her book, Weapons of Math Destruction: How Big Data Increases Inequality and Threatens Democracy. Cathy earned a Ph.D. in mathematics from Harvard, taught at Barnard College, and worked in the private sector as a data scientist. She shares her ideas on the blog mathbabe.org and appears weekly on the Slate Money podcast.
Here are some of the things that came up in our conversation:
The shame she felt as a data scientist working for a hedge fund during the financial crisis
How most of us trust and fear math to the point where we stop asking questions
How a faulty algorithm cost a high-performing teacher her job
How value-added models of evaluation miss the mark
How a mathematical model is nothing more than an automated set of rules
The fact that every mathematical model has built-in blindspots
What is hard to measure typically does not get included in an algorithm
The cost to colleges and applications of leaving price out of college ranking algorithms
Crime prediction models can fail because of incomplete data
The big error in the findings of A National at Risk report and how we still pay for it
How poverty lies at the heart of the achievement gap
What allows big data to profile people efficiently and effectively
Where we may be headed with individual insurance costs because of big data
Why we need rules to ensure fairness when it comes to health insurance algorithms
Data scientists have become de facto policy makers and that is a problem
The set of questions all data scientists should be asking
The fact that FB serves up an echo chamber of emotional content to hook us
How data is just a tool to automate a system that we, as humans, must weigh in on
Why healthy algorithms need feedback loops
Why we have a problem when we cannot improve a model or reveal it as flawed
Why we need to stop blindly trusting algorithms
Questions we should be asking to demand accountability of algorithm designers
Episode Links
@mathbabedotorg
https://mathbabe.org/
Sarah Wysocki
U.S. News & World Report college ranking system
PredPol
Rise of the Robots by Martin Ford
A Nation at Risk
The Achievement Gap
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