

Curious Minds at Work
Gayle Allen
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
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Nov 1, 2025 • 50min
CM 304: Steve Magness on Real Toughness – Rebroadcast
How we think about toughness needs a reset. Too often, it’s been associated with brute forcing our way through things. Ignoring our feelings. Making an outward show of confidence and dominance.
The problem is it just doesn't work.
Performance coach and bestselling author, Steve Magness, offers another way. He’s done a deep dive on the latest research on toughness and performance. In his book, Do Hard Things: Why We Get Resilience Wrong and The Surprising Science of Real Toughness, he discusses the misconceptions of our current model. Then he offers a new one informed by the latest in neuroscience and psychology research. Along the way, he translates research findings into practical steps we can take to make the shift.
If you’re a performance junkie, you’ll gain a lot from this interview. You can also apply his ideas to managing your teams. If you enjoy Steve’s approach, check out my previous interview with him on finding your passion at work and in life, episode 142.
Episode Links
How to be More Resilient, According to an Elite Performance Coach
The Secret to Developing Resilient Teams and Organizations
Changing This 1 Word in Your Thoughts Can Boost Mental Toughness and Resilience, Psychologists Say
Steven Callahan
Atlas Obscura: An Explorer’s Guide to the World’s Hidden Wonders by Joshua Foer, Dylan Thuras, and Ella Morton
The Team
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Oct 19, 2025 • 56min
CM 303: Ben Rein on Why Brains Need Friends
You’re days into a work project, staring at a screen, feeling anxious about your tight deadline. Mid-afternoon your phone lights up with a call from a friend. You want to connect, but you feel like you don’t have a minute to spare. You let the call go into voicemail.
On the surface, this decision may seem inconsequential. But what if you knew that a decision like this, centered on an opportunity for social connection, could make a difference in the health of your brain? Would you make time for the call?
Ben Rein is author of the book, Why Brains Needs Friends: The Neuroscience of Social Connection. He studies the impact of social interactions on brain health and helps us understand, at a cellular level, the biological importance of human relationships.
After listening to this interview, you may find yourself picking up the phone a whole lot more.
Episode Links
Wired for Connection, Cursed by Computers: How Social Media May Be Affecting Our Empathy
The Sci-Fi Hypothesis that Explains Why You Click with Certain People
Interview With Kasley Killam
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Oct 5, 2025 • 53min
CM 302: Paul Leonardi on Overcoming Digital Exhaustion
Digital exhaustion is real. We’re working across more apps than ever before, and since they’re always accessible, work-life boundaries have disappeared. Combine this with our personal tech, and we’ve got a recipe for burnout.
Paul Leonardi is a Professor of Technology Management at the University of California, Santa Barbara. After decades of business consulting, he’s had a front-row seat to employees’ digital burnout. What he saw led him to create concrete solutions, which he outlines in his latest book, Digital Exhaustion: Simple Rules for Reclaiming Your Life.
These are smart and sensible strategies leaders can put into practice to improve employees’ quality of life – and work.
Episode Links
Developing a Digital Mindset
Are Collaboration Tools Overwhelming Your Team
Interview with Gloria Mark
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Sep 21, 2025 • 52min
CM 301: Colin Fisher on Building Smarter Teams
We spend a lot of our lives in groups. Whether it’s at work. With friends. Even with family. Yet we tend to focus on everyone as individuals. We rarely think about things from the group’s perspective.
Colin Fisher is an expert in organizational behavior and an associate professor at University College London, and he wants to change that. His book, The Collective Edge: Unlocking the Secret Power of Groups, is his insightful attempt at sharing the latest insights on high-performing teams and how to lead them.
Episode Links
Top Six Tips for Terrific Teams
5 Secrets for Getting the Most out of Working as a Group
Interview with Keith Sawyer on groups’ collective genius
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Sep 7, 2025 • 45min
CM 300: Zorana Ivcevic Pringle on Turning Ideas into Action
Zorana Ivcevic Pringle, a senior research scientist at Yale's Center for Emotional Intelligence and author of The Creativity Choice, dives into the fascinating world of creativity. She discusses what holds people back from acting on their creative ideas and how emotional awareness can help us overcome these barriers. Zorana categorizes creativity into various levels and emphasizes the importance of social ties—both strong and weak—in the creative process. Tune in for insights on making proactive choices to harness creativity in everyday life!

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Aug 24, 2025 • 44min
CM 299: Zach Mercurio on Feeling Like You Matter
Zach Mercurio, author of 'The Power of Mattering' and an expert in organizational learning, shares compelling insights on how feeling valued boosts engagement and happiness in the workplace. He discusses the vital role of authentic listening and meaningful interactions in fostering a culture of significance. Zach emphasizes the impact of self-awareness in communication and the essential human skills required to build strong relationships. He illustrates how leaders can create environments that enhance motivation and a real sense of belonging.

Aug 10, 2025 • 42min
CM 298: Anne-Laure Le Cunff on a Life of Tiny Experiments
When’s the last time you ran an experiment? Not as a scientist. But as a person who wants to get unstuck or try something new.
There are messages coming at us from all directions. A popular one encourages us to pursue big dreams often in service of a blanket version of success. For some, these messages are motivating. But for many others, they’re overwhelming. If, instead, we want to pursue our own path, how do we begin?
This week’s guest is Anne-Laure Le Cunff. She’s felt these cultural pressures, and it’s what’s led her to develop a different approach. She tapped into a method that lowers feelings of overwhelm and brings back the joy of discovery. And it’s a strategy that led her to write her book, Tiny Experiments: How to Live Freely in a Goal-Obsessed World.
In this interview we talk about what a tiny experiment is and what it can do for us. We also discuss how to plan, run, and learn from them. I was energized by her approach.
Episode Links
The Trap of the Deadline High
Self-Authorship: The Art of Trusting Your Own Authority
Intellectual Self-Doubt: The Psychology behind Questioning Your Own Competence
Interview with Leidy Klotz (Episode 192), author of the book, Subtract
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Jul 27, 2025 • 38min
CM 297: Ethan Kross on How to Manage Your Emotions
Something happens at work – good or bad – and it brings on strong emotions. Instead of taking a moment to calm down, we’ve got to quickly shift gears and head into another meeting. We know we’ve got to manage our feelings, but the question is, how do we do that?
Ethan Kross is an experimental psychologist, neuroscientist, and writer who specializes in emotion regulation. He is a professor of psychology and management at the University of Michigan and Director of the Emotion and Self Control Laboratory there. In his latest book, Shift: Managing Your Emotions – So They Don’t Manage You, he shares simple, concrete ways to do this.
Episode Links
You Don’t Always Have to Process Your Emotions
Are You Overreacting?
The Expert Guide to Taking Control of Your Emotions
Interview with Michael Norton on The Ritual Effect
The Team
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Jul 13, 2025 • 57min
CM 296: Dacher Keltner on How Awe Helps Us Thrive – Rebroadcast
Dacher Keltner, a Professor of Psychology at UC Berkeley, shares insights on the transformative power of awe. He discusses how moments of wonder, from nature to acts of kindness, can enhance our well-being and foster connection. Keltner emphasizes the importance of cultivating awe in daily life, especially in combating anxiety and promoting community. The impact of shared experiences on emotional health, particularly during times of grief and social isolation, reveals how awe can be a remedy for loneliness and societal challenges.

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Jun 29, 2025 • 41min
CM 295: Olga Khazan on Changing Your Personality
Olga Khazan, author of 'Me, But Better,' dives into the fascinating world of personality change. She explores how our personalities shape our lives and choices while challenging the belief that we can't change. From the dynamic nature of personality to navigating discomfort in group activities, she emphasizes embracing extroversion and the role of empathy in relationships. Khazan offers practical advice for personal growth, illustrating how intentional changes can enhance our experiences, especially in new roles like parenting.


