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What does it take to flourish? We started Flourish FM to share cutting edge research from world experts on how to thrive, so you can take away big ideas and practical steps to enhance your life, the lives of others, and, ultimately, make the world a better place.
Flourish FM is hosted by Dr. Jon Beale and Dr. Nick Holton, and in collaboration with the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University, the Department of Education at the University of Oxford, and The Shipley School.
Flourish FM is hosted by Dr. Jon Beale and Dr. Nick Holton, and in collaboration with the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University, the Department of Education at the University of Oxford, and The Shipley School.
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Apr 16, 2024 • 50min
Episode #45: What can existential psychotherapy do for your ability to flourish?, with Dr. Sara Kuburic
We interview Dr. Sara Kuburic, existential psychotherapist, writer, and columnist for USA Today, about how existential psychotherapy can help us to flourish.
In particular, we discuss Sara’s work on “self-loss”: what it is, how to identify it and rebuild our sense of self; how overcoming self-loss can help us flourish; and how to live a more authentic and meaningful life.
Sara is the author of It’s On Me: Accept Hard Truths, Discover Your Self, and Change Your Life (Penguin Random House, 2023). The book is a guide to identifying self-loss – one of our greatest unspoken human sufferings, that feeling of being estranged or disconnected from your true self – so we can stop feeling the pain and emptiness that comes from performing or observing life, rather than living it.
Sarah was born in Yugoslavia and raised in Canada, and completed her doctorate in psychotherapy science in Vienna, under the supervision of Dr. Alfried Längle, the founder of existential analysis. She is a trauma-informed clinician with a person-centered approach that is grounded in existential analysis, as well as somatic and experiential techniques. She specializes in moral trauma, identity, existential crisis, and relationship issues.
Sara is passionate about helping people seek change and live authentic, free, and meaningful lives. Her interest in psychology stems from her personal experience living through wars, navigating complex relationships, and continually learning what it means to be human.
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It’s On Me: Accept Hard Truths, Discover Your Self, and Change Your Life (Penguin Random House, 2023)
Timestamps:
00:00:05 - Introduction to Dr. Sarah Kuburic
00:00:26 - Understanding Self-Loss
00:00:37 - Sara's Approach to Psychotherapy
00:01:05 - The Existential Lens on Flourishing
00:02:02 - Defining Existential Psychotherapy
00:03:04 - Core Concepts in Existential Psychotherapy
00:03:38 - Empowering Clients to Face Truths
00:04:08 - Sara’s Specialisms: Moral Trauma and Identity
00:04:42 - Insights from Existential Psychotherapy Practice
00:05:05 - Study on Moral Injury in Infidelity
00:06:20 - Understanding our Sense of Self
00:07:09 - The Ingredients of our Sense of Self
00:08:33 - Constructing vs. Finding the Self
00:09:34 - Self-Loss and the Journey to Self-Discovery
00:10:19 - The Process of Creating the Self
00:11:42 - The Role of Community in Self-Formation
00:12:17 - Trauma and Its Impact on the Self
00:13:33 - The Importance of Facing Ourselves
00:14:15 - The Role of Responsibility in Flourishing
00:16:09 - The Complexity of Human Psychology and Trauma
00:17:33 - The Connection Between Trauma and Self-Loss
00:18:32 - The Role of Flourishing in Existential Psychotherapy
00:19:32 - The Complexity of Moral Trauma and Infidelity
00:20:37 - The Relationship Between Flourishing and Suffering
00:21:07 - The Importance of Community and Humor in Well-Being
00:22:21 - Psychological Flexibility and Inner Safety
00:23:27 - The Role of Responsibility in a Good Life
00:25:06 - Building Inner Safety and Trust in Oneself
00:26:08 - The Empowering Message of Responsibility
00:27:16 - The Role of Reflection in Building Well-Being
00:28:46 - Practical Tips for Self-Discovery and Well-Being
00:30:14 - The Role of Community in Authentic Living
00:31:24 - Using Humor and Reflection for Self-Understanding
00:32:20 - The Runaway Bride Analogy for Self-Discovery
00:33:11 - The Importance of Continual Self-Exploration
00:34:03 - Disconnection from Self: Emotions, Body, and Mind
00:35:17 - Cultural Observations on Flourishing and Self
00:36:07 - The Role of Community and Confidence in Self-Formation
00:37:04 - Finding Meaning in Suffering for Fulfillment
00:38:58 - Psychological Richness and Flexibility
00:39:55 - WEIRD Populations in Psychological Research
00:40:05 - Building Psychological Agility and Inner Safety
00:41:09 - The Relationship with Oneself and Inner Safety
00:42:12 - The Impact of Meaning and Happiness on Well-Being
00:43:45 - The Importance of Emotional and Psychological Flexibility
00:44:59 - Inner Safety and Standing Behind Oneself
00:45:44 - Journaling for Self-Reflection and Well-Being
00:47:55 - The Role of Community and Humor in a Good Life
00:49:28 - Final Thoughts on Self-Reflection and Well-Being
00:50:36 - Where to Find Sara’s Book

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Apr 9, 2024 • 54min
Episode #44: The Antifragile: Antifragility with Entrepreneur, MBA, AI consultant and dad, Josh Hernandez
Josh Hernandez, an entrepreneur, MBA, AI consultant, and father, shares his remarkable journey from a lower-middle-class upbringing in El Paso, Texas. He highlights the power of antifragility, showcasing how resilience can be built through personal challenges and community support. Josh reflects on the importance of social connections, faith, and vulnerability in cultivating happiness. He also discusses his transition from trucking to AI consulting, emphasizing the value of integrity and relationships in business.

Apr 2, 2024 • 56min
Episode #43: The Antifragile: Antifragility with 2x Inc. 300 CEO, entrepreneur, author and dad, Bob Goulet
Join Bob Goulet, a resilient entrepreneur and inventor with over two dozen patents, as he discusses his inspiring journey from tragedy to transformation. He illuminates the concept of antifragility, sharing how challenges enhance strength and purpose. With insight into personal growth, he emphasizes the value of embracing adversity for unexpected successes. Bob also dives into parenting, offering practical tips for fostering independence in children while promoting resilience. Tune in for a blend of personal anecdotes and strategies for thriving in life!

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Mar 26, 2024 • 1h 4min
Episode #42: The Antifragile: Antifragility with Aerospace Engineer, Entrepreneur, Defense Expert and Mom, Jackie Space
In this engaging conversation, Jackie Space, an aerospace engineer, entrepreneur, and defense expert, shares her remarkable journey from the military to national security innovation. She discusses the concept of antifragility, illustrating how challenges shape resilience. Jackie reflects on balancing motherhood with her career, the intersection of commercial space and military tech, and the transformative impact of adapting entrepreneurial principles for government solutions. Her insights on personal growth through adversity and nurturing her daughter's independence are both inspiring and thought-provoking.

Mar 19, 2024 • 1h 4min
Episode #41: The Antifragile: Antifragility with entrepreneur, investor, IPO expert, bestselling author and father, Peter Goldstein
Peter Goldstein, a seasoned entrepreneur and capital markets expert with over 35 years of experience, shares valuable insights into antifragility. He explains how embracing challenges leads to personal growth, contrasting it with mere resilience. Goldstein discusses chosen suffering and its role in meaningful pursuits, as well as the influence of family values on his entrepreneurial journey. He emphasizes the importance of adaptability and optimism in navigating adversities, drawing from his wealth of experiences, including successful IPOs and strategic investments.

Mar 12, 2024 • 51min
Episode #40: Special Series on The Antifragile: Antifragility with world champion, bestselling author and performance coach, Donene Taylor
Professional author, speaker, and world champion Donene Taylor discusses antifragility and personal growth. She shares insights on embracing challenges, overcoming self-defeating loops, and the path to antifragility. The podcast explores developing resilience, emotional regulation, and the impact of mindset shifts. Donene's journey from victimhood to empowerment is highlighted, inspiring listeners to thrive through adversity.

Mar 5, 2024 • 1h 10min
Episode #39: Special Series on The Antifragile: Antifragility with combat veteran and leadership trainer, Kawika Lau
Combat veteran and leadership trainer Kawika Lau discusses embracing antifragility for personal growth after trauma. He shares insights on navigating trauma, finding purpose in adversity, and weaving anti-fragility principles into parenting for holistic well-being.

Feb 13, 2024 • 58min
Episode #38: Leadership for Flourishing, with Emmie Bidston and Dr. Katy Granville-Chapman
We interview Emmie Bidston and Dr. Katy Granville-Chapman, authors of Leader: Know, love and inspire your people (2020), about leadership for flourishing. Our conversation focuses on what makes a great leader and how to promote flourishing through leadership.
Emmie is an Associate Fellow of the Oxford Character Project and a Senior Fellow of the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard’s Flourishing Network. Emmie studied Economics at the University of Cambridge before working for the UK civil service in a range of areas from education to contingency planning. She is currently head of Economics at Wellington College and Director of the Wellington Leadership and Coaching Institute. She co-founded a charity to help develop young leaders in Africa and runs conferences, coaching and leadership training for adults and young people.
Katy is an associate fellow of the Oxford Character Project, a Doctoral Teaching Fellow at Oxford University’s Department of Education, a Research Associate at the Oxford University Wellbeing Research Centre, and a Senior Fellow of the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard’s Flourishing Network. She is the co-founder of Global Social Leaders, a movement of young people in 105 countries who design and lead social action projects that make a meaningful change in their communities. Katy is also a Deputy Headteacher at Wellington College, focusing on teacher performance and development, and founder of the Wellington Leadership and Coaching Institute.
Emmie and Katy’s book Leader has been shortlisted for the Business Book Awards ‘leadership book of the future’ and longlisted for the Chartered Management Institute’s Management Book of the Year.
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Leader: Know, love and inspire your people (2020)
Leadership for flourishing course, based on the book
Leadership for Flourishing
Global Social Leaders
Wellington College Leadership and Coaching Institute
Oxford Character Project
Timestamps:
00:00:06 - Introduction to the Episode
00:00:17 - Emmie's Background
00:00:48 - Katy’s Background
00:01:21 - Their book on Leadership for Flourishing
00:02:27 - Guests' Connection with the Hosts
00:03:09 - Guests' Varied Career Paths
00:03:27 - Emmie's Journey to Leadership
00:04:47 - Katy's Military Experience and Leadership Insights
00:06:12 - Katy's Transition into Education and Leadership
00:08:36 - Emmie and Katy's Collaboration
00:09:33 - Overview of their Various Projects
00:10:56 - Katie's Role at Wellington College
00:11:34 - Leadership for Flourishing
00:15:03 - Defining Human Flourishing
00:18:16 - Hedonic vs. Eudaimonic Well-Being
00:22:16 - The Role of Unpleasantness in Flourishing
00:24:03 - What Makes a Great Leader
00:26:01 - Examples of Courageous and Loving Leaders
00:30:38 - The Importance of Authenticity in Leadership
00:32:23 - Developing Character and Virtues
00:34:14 - The Double-Edged Sword of Character Strengths
00:37:49 - The Three Key Lessons for Leaders
00:39:09 - Practical Advice for Leaders
00:41:11 - The Role of Authenticity in Leadership
00:42:37 - Factors for Outstanding Team Performance
00:44:59 - Love as a Central Leadership Skill
00:47:19 - Love's Role in Team Dynamics
00:50:59 - Matthew Lee's Work on Love in Education

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Feb 6, 2024 • 42min
Episode #37: How to get on the path to antifragility, peak performance and fulfilling your potential, with Dr. Adam Wright
In this episode, Dr. Adam Wright discusses building antifragility for peak performance and fulfilling potential. He shares insights on mental skills, working with high-stakes clients, and the importance of fostering flourishing. The conversation explores the journey to alignment and self-discovery, the Anti-Fragile Academy, and the transformative nature of embracing discomfort for personal growth.

Jan 30, 2024 • 57min
Episode #36: How to prevent and recover from burnout, with “The Burnout Doc,” Dr. Sharon Grossman
We interview Dr. Sharon Grossman, also known as the “Burnout Doc,” about how to prevent and recover from burnout, and manage stress.
We discuss what burnout is, its symptoms and causes, and how to identify and reduce the risk of it. The conversation provides practical tips and strategies for preventing and recovering from burnout, managing stress, and building resilience.
Sharon Grossman is a leading expert on burnout, stress, productivity, and employee well-being. She is a psychologist, executive coach, keynote speaker, and author of the international bestseller The Solution to Burnout: 7 Steps from Exhausted to Extraordinary (2020). Her most recent book is The Stress Advantage: Lessons from the Tennis Court (2023).
Sharon teaches, trains and coaches people and organizations to become resilient in the face of stress, build the skills for optimal performance, redesign their mindsets, habits and lifestyle, and overcome resentment.
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The Solution to Burnout: 7 Steps from Exhausted to Extraordinary (2020)
The Stress Advantage: Lessons from the Tennis Court (2023)
Sharon’s Burnout Meter quiz
Timestamps:
00:00:05 - Introduction to Dr. Sharon Grossman
00:00:53 - Burnout and Its Symptoms
00:01:36 - Stress and Burnout
00:02:21 - The Complexity of Burnout
00:03:14 - Empowering Individuals to Address Burnout
00:04:08 - Chronic Stress and Its Impact
00:05:26 - The Role of Organizational and Personal Factors in Burnout
00:06:11 - Understanding Stress and Its Chronic Nature
00:07:07 - Psychological Triggers and Chronic Stress
00:08:12 - The Stress Bucket Analogy
00:09:17 - Identifying Patterns in Burnout Experiences
00:10:07 - Mindset Shifts to Combat Burnout
00:11:00 - The Importance of Personal Responsibility in Burnout
00:12:15 - The Stress-Burnout Continuum
00:13:17 - The Stigma Around Burnout
00:14:19 - The Role of Personal Factors in Burnout
00:15:20 - Defining Burnout Beyond Workplace Stress
00:16:26 - The Stress Bucket Overflowing
00:17:19 - Symptoms of Burnout: Exhaustion, Cynicism, and Reduced Performance
00:18:35 - The Emotional Impact of Stress and Burnout
00:19:14 - The Importance of Coping Mechanisms
00:20:20 - The Role of Triggers in Stress and Burnout
00:21:20 - The Importance of Self-Awareness in Managing Stress
00:22:22 - Clarifying the Definition of Stress
00:23:09 - The Role of Emotional Responses in Stress
00:24:29 - The World Health Organization's Definition of Burnout
00:25:21 - Challenging Standard Definitions of Burnout
00:26:16 - The Three Contributing Factors to Burnout
00:27:21 - The Thinker, Feeler, and Doer Personality Structures
00:29:29 - The Nuances of Burnout and Personalized Recovery
00:30:32 - The Symptoms of Burnout and Their Variability
00:31:31 - Gender Disparities in Burnout Experiences
00:32:37 - The “7E Solution” to Burnout
00:35:18 - Understanding the Spectrum of Burnout Symptoms
00:36:05 - Necessary Conditions and Symptoms of Burnout
00:37:09 - The 7E Solution to Burnout and Emotional Intelligence
00:38:13 - The Importance of Self-Awareness in Burnout Recovery
00:39:09 - Identifying Personal Contributors to Burnout
00:40:26 - The 7E Solution Framework for Burnout Recovery
00:41:10 - The Role of Emotional Intelligence in Burnout Recovery
00:42:35 - The 7E Solution to Burnout: Emotional Intelligence
00:43:47 - The Impact of Appreciation and Purpose on Burnout
00:44:29 - Deciding to Stay or Leave a Stressful Work Environment
00:45:12 - The Trap of Financial Obligations and Burnout
00:46:06 - A Blueprint for Self-Coaching
00:47:14 - Emotional Intelligence as the First Step to Burnout Recovery
00:48:06 - Breaking Negative Thinking Patterns to Prevent Burnout
00:49:00 - A Client's Experience with Catastrophizing and Burnout
00:49:54 - Realizing the Power of Networking to Overcome Burnout Fears