

Night Owls
John Ellis and Joe Klein
Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.
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Nov 14, 2025 • 39min
Night Owls Episode 72
Cade Metz, a technology correspondent for The New York Times and author of Genius Makers, dives deep into the world of artificial intelligence. He shares his journey in AI journalism and discusses the staggering investments in AI infrastructure. The conversation covers the competition between the US and China, philosophical questions about AI consciousness, and the shifting political landscape in Silicon Valley. Metz also highlights the environmental impact of data centers and the role of the rationalist community in shaping AI development.

Nov 5, 2025 • 34min
Night Owls Episode 71
Hosts John and Joe dive into the Democratic Party's impressive wins, particularly in Georgia and Pennsylvania, discussing the shifts in voter sentiment driven by cultural and economic issues. They analyze the impact of Donald Trump on the election outcomes and the internal dynamics of the Republican Party. The conversation shifts to the challenges facing newly elected officials like Zohran Mamdani, touching on public safety concerns, turnout patterns among Latino and Black voters, and whether Democrats will misinterpret their electoral success.

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Oct 18, 2025 • 45min
Night Owls Episode 70
John and Joe tackle the political terrain with a spotlight on Andrew Cuomo's mayoral endorsement and the Democratic Party's challenges. They explore international dynamics, including Iran's internal struggles and the rising demands of AI on energy. Insights on tariff policies reveal farmer frustrations and concerns over U.S. competitiveness against China's manufacturing. The duo also critiques the Democratic messaging gaps on cultural issues and shares predictions for upcoming elections, all while lamenting New York's sports woes.

Sep 26, 2025 • 1h 3min
Night Owls Episode 69
In a whirlwind discussion, the hosts delve into the perilous intersections of genomics and AI, exploring their potential to both cure diseases and spawn new risks. They critique the reckless leadership styles evident in today's politics, linking them to serious societal issues like autism misinformation and free speech. The conversation spans international tariffs, Argentina's economic fiasco, and the tension surrounding high-profile political figures like Kamala Harris. With insights on private equity risks and China's property crisis, this is a thought-provoking journey through current affairs.

Sep 21, 2025 • 1h 6min
Night Owls Episode 68 (With H.R. McMaster)
Today, on episode 68 of Night Owls, Joe Klein is joined by a very special guest: H.R. McMaster. A graduate of Westpoint, he served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, and retains distinguished careers in military leadership, policy, and history. His book Dereliction of Duty, a critical account of the Vietnam war, has become required reading throughout the military. His new book, At War with Ourselves: My Tour of Duty in the Trump White House, was released in hardcover in August of last year. He is also the author of the History We Don't Know Substack. Here, McMaster discusses his journey from military service to becoming the National Security Advisor under Donald Trump. McMaster shares insights on counterinsurgency warfare, the complexities of U.S.-Russia relations, and the current state of American democracy. He emphasizes the importance of national service and the need for a united American identity, while also addressing the challenges posed by groups like Hamas in the Middle East. The discussion concludes with reflections on the future of U.S. foreign policy and the role of the military in society.

Sep 11, 2025 • 52min
Night Owls Episode 67
Dive into a whirlwind of pressing issues, from the unexpected rise of AI resistance dubbed 'Clankers,' to the complex narratives surrounding Israel and Palestine. Explore shifting political sentiments as support for a third party rises amidst growing discontent with capitalism. The discussion also sheds light on Jeffrey Epstein's dubious financial dealings and the Mets' rollercoaster season, topped off with reflections on New York City's evolving views on key global conflicts. A captivating mix of politics and personal anecdotes!

May 19, 2025 • 55min
Night Owls Episode 66 (with Marc Dunkelman)
A conversation with Brown University’s Marc Dunkelman who has written an important book: Why Nothing Works: Who Killed Progress—and how to Bring it Back.” Dunkelman has written an alternative history of the Democratic Party, a 150 year struggle between top-down and bottom-up progressivism that has led to stagnation.

May 13, 2025 • 53min
Night Owls Episode 65 (Daniela Rus)
Daniela Rus, Director of MIT's CSAIL, shares her journey from Romania to robotics and AI leadership. She discusses the captivating concept of physical intelligence and the marriage of robotics with AI. The conversation digs into her research on whale communication and the intriguing parallels between animal and machine intelligence. Daniela also examines the current challenges of self-driving cars and the future of AI in transforming industries. Lastly, she reflects on the importance of authentic human connections in an increasingly digital world.

May 4, 2025 • 36min
Night Owls Episode 64 (Wolfgang Munchau Part 3)
The last part of our interview with the brilliant Wolgang Munchau

May 4, 2025 • 21min
Night Owls Episode 63 (Wolfgang Munchau Part 2)
The 2nd in our series where we interview Wolfgang Munchau


