

Where Do We Go From Here?
Jessica Van Der Wyngaard
A weekly podcast deconstructing purity culture, sex and other real life stuff for thoughtful Christians and exvangelicals alike.
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Mar 2, 2022 • 50min
94: Do We Need Another Christian Dating Book?
How Should A Christian Date? is a new book by Eric Demeter, but do we really need another Christian dating book? Eric joins us for an informative interview on dating in 2022. He's single, and the book covers everything from dating in church to dating online to dating multiple people casually. It is not the typical Christian dating book, but listen in to find out more. Full show notes here Partner with us to hear a feisty debate we had with Eric about "porneia," and get all our excusive content. Eric Demeter is currently a full-time missionary with Youth With A Mission in Greece, where he disciples young people from the Middle East. He's a relationship and conflict resolution specialist who teaches YWAM staff and missionary students. Eric is passionate about what makes relationships tick and has used his skills as pastor, missionary, speaker, and adjunct professor at Bethel University. Connect with Eric on Twitter and Instagram
Feb 19, 2022 • 42min
93: Pam & Tommy: Celebrity Voyeurism and Consent
The new mini series documenting the beginning of Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee's tumultuous marriage is out. But is this a "feminist statement" as actor Nick Offerman and others suggested or a violation of Anderson's consent? We deep dive the history of internet's first sex tape and Pamela Anderson's story and give you all the thoughts Full show notes here (lots of links!!) Instagram Twitter Watch on Youtube Partners get bonus content from us every week! Join us on the inside for $3/month for rom com recaps, Purity Culture News & Views, and uncut interviews with our guests.
Feb 16, 2022 • 49min
92: The Quest for Desire, Longing, and Beauty with Dr. Curt Thompson
Desire is part of who we are, and it points our lives toward something greater than ourselves. In this expansive conversation, we talk about why desire matters, why it cannot be stopped, and what it says about who we are as people. Want more? Our partners got a mini-masterclass on shame from Dr. Thompson. Join us here for weekly bonus episodes. Full show notes here Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter Watch episode on Youtube Dr. Curt Thompson is a board-certified psychiatrist and the founder of Being Known, an organization that develops resources for hope and healing at the intersection of neuroscience and Christian spiritual formation. He is also the author of The Soul of Shame, The Soul of Desire, and Anatomy of the Soul. Connect with Curt on Instagram: @CurtThompsonMD
Feb 2, 2022 • 57min
91: Lazy Genius-ing A Galentines/Palentines Party
February is the month of love people say, but whether or not Valentines Day makes you cringe or gives you cheer, we can all celebrate our favourite pals. How about a Palentines Day party (or a Galentines?!)? The Lazy Genius herself, Kendra Adachi, joins us with her best party planning tips. We even talk about Zoom parties and how to make one sparkle. Don't forget to check our Instagram page this week for some specific party ideas for your very own party. Full show notes here Partner with us to hear this month's rom com recap: While You Were Sleeping. Does it this 1995 hit hold up in 2022? We do a lot of gushing in this one. Get it here for $3/month. Kendra Adachi is the New York Times bestselling author of The Lazy Genius Way and the upcoming The Lazy Genius Kitchen, releasing in March 2022. Her podcast, The Lazy Genius Podcast, has over 11 million downloads and covers everything from cooking chicken to making friends. As a systems expert and professional permission-giver, Kendra helps others stop doing it all for the sake of doing what matters. She lives in North Carolina with her husband and three kids. Connect with Kendra on Instagram Website: https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/
Jan 28, 2022 • 1h 28min
90: Redeeming Love and the Problem With Evangelical Novels
*Trigger Warning: This episode contains reference to childhood rape, every manner of sexual abuse and violence toward women. We encourage you to proceed with caution and kindness toward yourself if these are areas of personal experience or concern. Francine Rivers' novel Redeeming Love, released to a Christian audience in 1997, made an enormous impact on white evangelical women in the 90s and 00s. Pastors gave it to women to read, mothers passed it on to their daughters, and for many of you, it was a taste of God's love you'd never experienced before. With the movie out now, it's a perfect time to revisit this book to ask some questions. What is this saying about women? What is it saying about "sexual sin"? Does this book have any similarities to the book of Hosea in the Bible? We have big thoughts - we're sure you do to. Full show notes here Instagram Twitter Watch on YouTube Partners of the show get rom com recaps (we'll be doing one on the Redeeming Love movie when it comes out in Australia), Purity Culture News & Views, uncut interviews and a ticket to the Green Room. Join us for all this exclusive content for $3/month (USD).
Jan 19, 2022 • 1h 8min
89: On Premarital Sex: Sin or Not A Sin
We wrap up our series On Premarital Sex by talking to Professor David Ayers who has studied the sex lives of young evangelicals for the past 30 years. We also share the results of our survey and YOUR responses. What comes next for evangelicals when it comes to sexuality and sex education? We have all the thoughts. Full show notes here Watch on YouTube here Partner with us for $3/month and get an episode weekly of The Jess & Devi Show. This week it's Purity Culture News and Views where we talk about sex after 70, the morning after pill, and why men's social circles are shrinking plus all the shows you should be watching. Get it here! Instagram Twitter David Ayers is Professor of Sociology in the Department of Economics and Sociology at Grove City College, where he has also served previously as Dean of the Alva J. Calderwood School of Arts and Letters, and as Interim Provost and Vice President for Academic Affairs. He is author of two textbooks, most recently of Christian Marriage: A Comprehensive Introduction (Lexham, 2019). His book After the Revolution: Sex and the Single Evangelical will be released in Spring, 2022 by Lexham Press. He holds his Ph.D. in Sociology from New York University.
Jan 5, 2022 • 41min
88: Chasing Glory in the Song of Songs
What if there was more to being men and women than cultural roles and expectations? Aimee Byrd joins us with an invitation to study the Song of Songs as something beautiful, glorious, and re-invigorating for our imaginations. Join our partners for $3/month to hear Aimee talk about her book Recovering from Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and the resulting backlash against the book. Partners also get weekly podcast episodes recapping romcoms and purity culture news. Join the conversation on Instagram and Twitter Full show notes here Aimee Byrd lives in her hometown in Frederick, MD with her husband, Matt, with one teen, one young adult with her foot out the door, and one in grad. school. A former coffee cafe owner, Aimee now uses many of her conversational barista skills in writing and speaking. She is the author of Recovering from Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and the upcoming book The Sexual Reformation: Restoring the Dignity and Personhood of Man and Woman. Visit Aimee's blog here and connect with her on Twitter @aimeebyrdhwt.
Dec 16, 2021 • 1h 4min
87: The Family Stone
This movie has something for everyone - family drama, romance, and that holiday sparkle. It's the story of a tight-knit, wacky family, and the oldest son's "uptight" girlfriend. But does this 2005 movie hold up today? We talk about grief, bad boyfriends and girlfriends, and what makes a good relationship. Get into it! Partner with us for $3/month. You get to hear romcom recaps like this one, and December's is the Netflix movie Love Hard. Full show notes here Dr. Celeste Holbrook is a sexologist and speaker who helps her clients evolve into the women they were created to be, in and outside of the bedroom. She speaks on a variety of topics from sex drive and sexual shame to painful intercourse, purity culture, and more. Connect with Dr. Celeste on Instagram
Nov 24, 2021 • 1h 19min
86: Purity Culture 2.0
If you thought purity culture was a thing of the past, guess again. Turns out there are new forms in 2021. We're calling it Purity Culture 2.0, and it's found on YouTube and Instagram and in new books. What do these new-but-old messages have in common? How do they exhibit characteristics of purity culture from the past? Listen in to find out more. Take our *new* anonymous survey on premarital sex Full show notes here Partner with us for $3/month (USD) and get episodes of The Jess & Devi Show. This week it's a romcom recap of The Family Stone. Watch this episode on YouTube Instagram Twitter
Nov 10, 2021 • 1h 8min
85: On Premarital Sex: Abstinence After True Love Waits
No chewed up gum metaphors allowed in this episode about abstinence. You'll hear the thoughts and lived experience of a single woman in her 30s who chooses abstinence now. What makes this abstinence different from the True Love Waits pledges of the teen years? How is it lived out when it comes to app dating in 2021? Kathryn Freeman has all the insights for us in this fantastic episode. Watch this episode on YouTube Partner with us for $3/month. You get to hear our conversation with DeVon Wade also about abstinence, and why he chooses abstinence now. Full show notes here Kathryn Freeman is a leader, writer, and speaker at the intersection of faith, justice, and culture.Kathryn has a degree in English from Texas A&M University, a law degree from the University of Texas, and a Masters of Divinity from Baylor University's Truett Seminary. Kathryn is one half of the podcast, Melanated Faith, a conversation about race, faith, and culture from the perspective of two Black Christian women. She has written for Christianity Today, Christ and Pop Culture, The Baptist Standard, The Houston Chronicle, Think Christian, and Austin Woman Magazine. Connect with Kathryn on Instagram and Twitter.


