

Where Do We Go From Here?
Jessica Van Der Wyngaard
A weekly podcast deconstructing purity culture, sex and other real life stuff for thoughtful Christians and exvangelicals alike.
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Jul 13, 2022 • 1h 8min
104: Our Secular & Evangelical Cultures Do Not Understand Abuse
Trigger Warning: This episode contains references to grooming and sexual assault. Purity Culture is part of the reason why our secular and religious culture's still don't know what to do with abuse. We are so many years out from #MeToo and #ChurchToo but current events tell us we are not learning our lessons. Today we look at the grooming in the best selling novel The Time Traveller's Wife, recently adapted into a series for HBO, and the ongoing comeback of John Crist. We cover: Jess going on maternity leave The Time Traveller's Wife HBO series (spoiler alerts!) is what happens in this story grooming? What does purity culture have to do with John Crist? Crist's past two years in a three act structure What hope is there for alleged abusers? Partner with us for $3/month to hear our romcom recap of 27 Dresses! You also get purity culture news, uncut interviews from guests, and a ticket here to the Green Room. Instagram Twitter Full show notes here
Jun 29, 2022 • 1h 9min
103: You Were Told Your Body Was Unsafe. God Has a Different Message.
If you believed your body was unsafe, the source of sin, what caused others to stumble, this episode is for you. With kindness and clarity, KJ Ramsey leads us back to a God who made us for safety. In this episode we learn that: there is no division between our minds and our bodies your body is the place where God personally resides it is impossible to trust without a felt sense of safety practices that help us regulate how to cue safety Partner with us for $3/month to get a ticket to the Green Room! We meet on Friday July 1 (US, 10pm EST) and Saturday July 2 (Australia, 12pm AEDT) to talk all things purity culture recovery. Get a ticket here. Full show notes here (including resources about tapping) Instagram Twitter K.J. Ramsey is a trauma-informed licensed professional counselor and writer whose work offers space to see every part of our souls and stories as sacred. She holds degrees from Covenant College and Denver Seminary and is the author of This Too Shall Last. Her writing has been published in Christianity Today, RELEVANT, The Huffington Post, Health Central, Catalyst, and Fathom Magazine on the integration of theology, psychology, and spiritual formation. She and her husband, Ryan, live near Denver, Colorado. Connect with K.J. online at kjramsey.com and across social media @kjramseywrites.
Jun 22, 2022 • 49min
102: How To Survive Wedding Season As a Single
If you've got a stack of wedding invitations giving you anxiety about the next few weeks, listen in. MaryB. Safrit helps singles navigate wedding season with humor and honesty. This episode covers: the cost - emotional and financial should you say yes to every wedding invite? navigating friend grief YOUR tips and stories about dealing with wedding season Full show notes here (includes MaryB.'s pre-wedding reflection guide) Partner with us for $3/month (USD) to hear MaryB. talk about how singles can survive church life and those awkward conversations with partnered people. You also get a ticket to the Green Room next week plus weekly episodes of The Jess & Devi Show. MaryB. Safrit is an author, podcaster, and coach passionate about filling the gap between what the church offers and what single Christians need. She is the host of Unsuitable with MaryB. Safrit, a podcast on which she interviews single Christians about their lives and faith, and the author of The Single Christian's Church Survival Guide: How to Navigate Church Culture and Conversations Without Losing Your Mind, which is available on Amazon. She currently lives in New York City. Connect with her on Instagram
Jun 8, 2022 • 1h 14min
101: What Sex Ed In The Church Could Look Like
The founders of Big Kids Table join us to talk about "faith-inspired sex education and conversation." Is this even possible in the church or in Christian schools? Georgia and Lauren convince us that it's not just possible; it is necessary. Full show notes We recap the movie-musical Chicago from 2002 and talk about the parallels between it and the Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard trial by social media. Get this episode and so much more when you partner with us for $3/month (USD). Instagram Twitter Big Kids Table seeks to liberate, educate, empower, and reveal the heart of God within sex, sexual desire, and relationships. They offer workshops and consultations in Melbourne, Australia and have an upcoming ecourse. Subscribe here and connect with BKT on Instagram.
May 27, 2022 • 54min
100: 100 Episodes and the Conversation That Continues
One hundred episodes in, and we are just getting started! Jess and Devi talk about the beginnings of this show, what it means to us, and what it means to YOU. We also discuss the report about how the SBC's Executive Committee harrassed and intimidated sexual abuse survivors and colluded to hide information about abusive pastors in the SBC. Full show notes here Join us in The Green Room to talk about the events of the past month with other partners of the show. It's $3/month (USD) plus you get all the episodes of the Jess & Devi Show. Instagram Twitter
May 11, 2022 • 50min
99: How Women In The Margins Remake The World
What is the story of how women in the margins influence the world? Professor and writer Kaya Oakes joins us to draw on the defiance of women in the middle ages and today and what that might mean for women in 2022. Our partners get to Devi and Kaya talk about the recent US SCOTUS leaked opinion on Roe v Wade. Join us for exclusive content for $3/month (USD). Full show notes here Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter Watch our episodes on YouTube Kaya Oakes is the author of five books, most recently including The Defiant Middle: How Women Claim Life's In Betweens to Remake the World and The Nones Are Alright (Bookshop,Amazon, Indiebound). Kaya's essays and journalism have appeared in The New Republic, Slate, Foreign Policy, The Guardian, The Washington Post, and many other publications. She writes a column for NYU's The Revealer on forgiveness, and was Religion News Association's 2021 winner for best commentary writing. She teaches nonfiction writing at UC Berkeley. Follow Kaya on Twitter and Instagram
Apr 27, 2022 • 1h 16min
98: News and Views: Hillsong, Bridgerton, and More
What happens when one of the largest megachurches in the world loses its founding and lead pastor? Does Bridgerton season 2 have something to teach us about love? You get to listen in to an episode that's usually exclusive to partners. Jess and Devi discuss purity culture news, and talk about what's streaming online that is worth watching. Purity Culture News & Views is one of the episodes our partners get every month along with exclusive cuts of guest interviews, a romcom recap, and a ticket to The Green Room. Join us for exclusive content for $3/month (USD). Full show notes here Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter
Apr 13, 2022 • 50min
97: Gaslighting in Relationships and the Church
We can't go a week without hearing about another Christian leader or ministry accused of abusive leadership. Is this a uniquely evangelical problem? We talk today about gaslighting, the tactic undergirding most forms of abuse in intimate relationships and institutions. What is gaslighting? Why is it so damaging? How do we recover if we've been gaslit by someone we love or in church? Chuck De Groat joins us to unpack this must-understand topic. Our partners get to hear a special part of this conversation where we talk dating red flags and more with Chuck De Groat. Join us for exclusive content for $3/month (USD). Full show notes here Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter Watch on YouTube Chuck De Groat is a Professor of Counseling and Christian Spirituality and Interim D.Min. Director at Western Theological Seminary . He's also a faculty member for the Soul Care Institute. He is a licensed therapist, a spiritual director, author, and speaker and a Minister of Word and Sacrament in the Reformed Church in America. Chuck pastored in Orlando and San Francisco before transitioning to training and forming pastors. His experience includes training clergy in issues of abuse and trauma, pastor and planter assessments, church consultations, and investigations of abuse among pastors and within congregations. Follow Chuck on Twitter and Instagram
Mar 30, 2022 • 51min
96: Motherhood & Friendship Through Life's Big Transitions
We are talking all about new motherhood - can a friendship between people without kids and people with kids survive the early days of a newborn? We talk about what not to say to a new mama, what TO say, and the ever-changing nature of friendships. Special guest noises made by Devi's 16-day-old baby! Full show notes here Instagram Twitter Partners get bonus content from us every week! Join us on the inside for $3/month for rom com recaps, Purity Culture News & Views, and uncut interviews with our guests.

Mar 16, 2022 • 1h 2min
95: How Little Women helps us redefine "happily ever after"
This week Jessica is joined by a guest co-host to discuss Greta Gerwig's recent adaptation of Louise May Alcott's beloved novel Little Women. We revisit our own childhood's looking back on the 1994 version of Little Women we all remember watching growing up and consider what strives have been made in how Alcott's characters are explored in her updated retelling of the classic. No typical show notes this week but below you'll find the resources Jessica leveraged in preparation for this episode. Special thanks to our honorary co-host today from Louise May Alcott's home state of Massachusetts. Devi will be back next episode. "A New Generation of Little Women" from iTunes Extras with purchase of movie "Making a Modern Classic" from iTunes Extras with purchase of movie The Compromises of Greta Gerwig's "Little Women by Richard Brody https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/the-compromises-of-greta-gerwigs-little-women Greta Gerwig's "Little Women" is Awesome. Here is Why by Rebecca DeWolf https://outofthetower-rebeccadewolf.com/?p=950 How Faithful Is the New Little Women Movie to Louisa May Alcott's Beloved Novel? BY MARISSA MARTINELLI https://slate.com/culture/2019/12/little-women-movie-book-comparison-differences.html Why Greta Gerwig's Little Women Movie Radically Changed the Book's Ending BY ELENA NICOLAOU https://www.oprahdaily.com/entertainment/a30186941/little-women-ending/ Artwork from: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/making-little-women-greta-gerwig-gives-modern-take-1868-novel-big-screen-1256879/


