Where Do We Go From Here?

Where Do We Go From Here is a podcast hosted, edited and produced by Jessica Vanderwyngaard and Devi Abraham.  Sign up for a 2-month long book club discussing Sarah C. Williams new book: "When Courage Calls: Josephine Butler and the Radical Pursuit of Justice for Women." Sign up at patreon.com/wheredowegopod for $10 a month, or as a $7 upgrade from our $3 membership level. (Prices in USD.) Book Club Benefits:  Private Facebook group for online discussions throughout the month  Zoom discussion on the book (month 1) Zoom conversation with the author (month 2)  You can find out more by going to wheredowegopod.com  You can join the conversation on Instagram @wheredowegopod  

In the 19th century, Josephine Butler defied every expectation of what a woman should be. A privileged, refined Victorian lady, she became a fearless advocate for women on the margins—challenging sexual double standards, fighting the legal system that punished women while protecting men, and leading a movement that changed British law and history.   Today, historian Sarah C. Williams, author of When Courage Calls: Josephine Butler and the Radical Pursuit of Justice for Women, joins us to unpack Butler’s extraordinary life and the paradoxes that made her so compelling. What does her story have to teach us about faith, justice, activism, and the courage to challenge oppressive systems? And how does her legacy speak to us today, in a world where women’s bodies are once again being politicized and controlled?   Whether you’re deconstructing purity culture, rethinking your faith, or just looking for a story of radical love in action—this episode is for you.    Links & Resources: When Courage Calls by Sarah C. Williams (Australia, USA)  Subscribe & share this episode with someone who needs to hear it! Book Club

For anyone who thought kissing someone you didn’t marry would ruin your life and wreck your faith, Dr. Camden Morgante is here to help.  Show Notes: Partner with us to hear more about how to develop your sexual values Recovering from Purity Culture by Dr. Camden Morgante Instagram (talk to us!) Twitter Dr. Camden Morgante is a licensed psychologist with nearly 15 years of experience as a therapist and college professor. She owns a private therapy practice focusing on women’s issues, relationships, sexuality, trauma, and spirituality, and is a frequent speaker. Dr. Camden’s mission is to help Christians heal their faith from toxic beliefs. She is the author of Recovering from Purity Culture. Dr. Camden lives in Knoxville, Tennessee, with her husband and their daughter and son.  

Jess and Devi are back with a lot of thoughts about why Gen Z men are now more religious than Gen Z women. The episode also features the thoughts of our fabulous partners.  Like this style of episode? Join us in Patreon for a unique News & Views episode every single month.  Show Notes In a First Among Christians, Young Men Are More Religious Than Women (NY Times)

The host discusses the need for a break due to overwhelm, reevaluating the show's direction, exploring boundaries outside Christian celebrity culture, upcoming sexual health conversations, collaborations, and Patreon content. They reflect on personal growth, diverse perspectives, and desire for Beyonce to cover Dolly Parton's song.

Trigger warning: This episode contains stories of racial violence and sexualized racial violence.  In this episode we deep dive Purity Culture's origin story, and its connection with America's racial history.  Full show notes here. Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter Want to talk about this episode? Join our partners in The Big Debrief on Tuesday March 26 at 9pm EST and Wednesday March 27 at noon in Melbourne.  Sara Moslener is a lecturer in the Department of Philosophy, Anthropology, and Religion at Central Michigan University where she teaches courses on the history of religious and racial discrimination in the United States. She has been studying evangelical purity culture for over 15 years and has numerous publications including the book Virgin Nation: Sexual Purity and American Adolescence (Oxford University Press: 2015). She hosts the new series Pure White: Sexual Purity and White Supremacy with Axis Mundi Media. Connect with her on Twitter and Substack. 

In this episode we talk about love after divorce as Haverlee shares her story of a marriage breakdown, living alone, dating, and finding new love. It's part of our three part series. You can find the first two episodes here: 142: What If Marriage Doesn't Make You Happy Or Holy? 143: 7 Signs That Your Marriage Can be Saved Partner with us for $3/month to hear an uncut conversation before anyone else does. Professor Sara Moslener takes us back to school to uncover the connection between purity culture and white supremacy in the US. She also talks about the recent Alabama Supreme Court ruling on embryos and how that connects to purity culture rhetoric of the past.  Follow us for more on Instagram and Twitter Full show notes and transcript here 

There are characteristics and qualities of relationships that lead to better outcomes, and Dr. Camden Morgante joins us to talk about seven of them. If you're concerned about your marriage or have qestions about the person you're dating or engaged to, this episode is for you.  Listen to our previous episode to hear more about divorce in the United States. Full show notes here (including a full transcript of Dr. Camden and Devi's interview). Follow us on Instagram and Twitter to get a recap of the 7 signs.  Partners get to talk about this episode and more on February 27 (9pm EST)/ 28 (1pm AEDT). Join us for $3/month to get last week's romcom recap of Crazy, Stupid, Love. Dr. Camden Morgante is a licensed clinical psychologist with over 13 years of experience as a therapist, college professor, and supervisor. She owns a private therapy practice focusing on women’s issues, relationships, sexuality, trauma, and spirituality. Connect with her on Instagram

In this episode we deep dive divorce with journalist Lyz Lenz. We talk about: why it's so hard to tell the truth about difficult marriages how the labor of women sustains western marriage political decisions that could make marriage easier for everyone Follow us on Instagram and Twitter to keep talking. Full show notes here Partner with us for $3/month (USD) to hear Jess & Devi talk about recent revelations about beloved author Elisabeth Elliot's abusive third marriage.  Lyz Lenz is an author and journalist living in Iowa. This American Ex-Wife is her third book. She also writes the newsletter Men Yell at Me about personhood and politics in America.

In this episode, Hillary McBride guides us toward how to see our body as a resource, and she gives us practical, free tools to help us reconnect with our bodies. Full show notes here Partner with us for $3/month to hear the full, uncut version of this converation and get episodes of The Jess and Devi Show Hillary L. McBride (PhD, University of British Columbia) is a registered psychologist, an award-winning researcher, and the host of the Other People’s Problems podcast. She has a private practice in Victoria, British Columbia, and is a sought-after speaker and retreat leader who specializes in embodiment. McBride’s work has been recognized by the American Psychological Association and the Canadian Psychological Association. She is the author of The Wisdom of Your Body and Mothers, Daughters, and Body Image, and coeditor of Embodiment and Eating Disorders. Learn more at www.hillarylmcbride.com. Connect with Hillary on Instagram.