
Where Do We Go From Here?
A bi-monthly podcast untangling sex, self, and community for a new generation of Christians. Leave purity culture behind, save what matters.
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Jul 25, 2023 • 48min
132: The Problem With Purity Rings (And Other Bad Symbols & Metaphors)
Purity Culture graduates left the movement with our feet stuck to chewed up gum, our fingers locked into purity rings, and our hearts (supposedly) irreparably broken. But these were images and metaphors given to us by an evangelicalism broken by its own damaged stories, images, and metaphors. This episode gets into what went wrong, and how we can start to make it right. Join us in Patreon to hear about deconstruction in evangelical history. Join today and get a ticket to our monthly Zoom call happening on July 27 (9pm EST) and 28 (11am AEDT). It's $3/month USD, and you get romcom recaps, purity culture news & views, and more! The Evangelical Imagination: How Stories, Images and Metaphors Created a Culture in Crisis16: Read Better Books (with Karen Swallow Prior) Karen Swallow Prior (PhD, SUNY Buffalo) is the award-winning author of On Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Books. She is a frequent speaker, a monthly columnist at Religion News Service, and has written for Christianity Today, The Atlantic, the Washington Post, the New York Times, and Vox. She is a contributing editor for Comment, a founding member of the Pelican Project, a senior fellow at the Trinity Forum, and a senior fellow at the International Alliance for Christian Education. Connect with Karen on Instagram and Twitter

Jul 20, 2023 • 1h 6min
131: Child Trafficking is Terrible. 'Sound of Freedom' Misses the Point.
While "Sound of Freedom" rakes in the profits in the US box office, there are still children in exploitative circumstances. Are search and rescue missions the most effective way of rehabilitating them? We bring you a Christian anti-trafficking expert who has seen the harmful impacts of well-intentioned evangelicals and knows that there's a better way forward. We talk about: how this movie harms anti trafficking work the trafficking of children happens primarily through exploitative and forced labor how our dollars fund child slavery (hint: check your pantry) evidence-based models for successful anti trafficking work organizations you can trust with your dollars Full show notes here (with all the organization links!) Dr. Lauren Pinkston is a public academic, teaching through published writing, nonprofit coaching, facilitated workshops, and a newly released podcast. She holds a PhD in International Family and Community Studies from Clemson University. Previous to working in academia, Lauren lived in Southeast Asia researching the human trafficking crisis and starting businesses to employ survivors. She now consults for anti-trafficking organizations and small business startups, helping them institute trauma policies into healing-centered workplaces. Lauren is the President of Kindred Exchange, a non-profit focused on establishing more ethical missions practices and expanding jobs in the Global South. Connect with Lauren on Instagram

Jul 11, 2023 • 1h 20min
130: Why Christians Should Talk About "The Secrets of Hillsong" (Episode 4 Recap)
"Christians need to face the truth of who we are." That's what Professor Iwan Russell-Jones told us, and it's why we took a hard look at Hillsong through the FX/Hulu docuseries "The Secrets of Hillsong." In this episode we talk about church as the show and what it is costing us. We also talk about: the docuseries as Carl Lentz's redemption vehicle the cost of spiritual abuse should church be charging money for attendance and paying volunteers? Full show notes here Instagram Twitter Partner with us to hear our romcom recap of 13 Going on 30 and get the full conversation with Professor Iwan Russell-Jones plus more partner perks.

Jun 28, 2023 • 39min
129: “The Secrets of Hillsong” Reveals the Many Problems with Frank Houston (Episode 3 Recap)
Trigger Warning: This is a conversation about Frank Houston's three-decade history of sexually abusing children, and there are many references to the subject. Please proceed with caution if this topic is triggering for you. There are resources in the show notes about healing after trauma. Frank Houston was a serial sexual abuser of children, but he walked off the church stage into forced retirement to the sound of a standing ovation. After his son, Brian Houston, knew about at least once incidence of molestation. We discuss this sad, enraging event and the way "The Secrets of Hillsong" brings together the different pieces of information. Full show notes here Join us for The Big Debrief on June 30 at 11 am (Melbourne time), June 29 (9pm EST/8pm CST) to talk about the past month of Hillsong stories and your church stories. Connect with us on Instagram and Twitter

Jun 22, 2023 • 1h 26min
128: "The Secrets of Hillsong" Can't Make Carl Lentz A Prodigal Son (Episode 2 recap)
We dive deep into the shocking downfall of Carl Lentz, former pastor of Hillsong New York, and ask questions about the supposedly eye-opening revelations from "The Secrets of Hillsong" documentary. A former member of Hillsong NYC joins us to uncover what the documentary misses, the culture of celebrity pastors, and the consequences of blind faith in broken institutions. Full show notes here (including a transcript of the whole show) Partner with us to hear our conversation with documentarian Professor Iwan Russell-Jones on why it's important for Christians to face the truth. Connect with us on Instagram and Twitter

Jun 8, 2023 • 1h 19min
127: Looking for Truth in "The Secrets of Hillsong" (Episode 1 Recap)
What is true about the global megachurch Hillsong? There's a new docuseries out from Vanity Fair and FX trying to get to it. But do they get it right? Starting this week Jess and Devi recap the episodes for those of you in Australia who can't watch it yet and for those of you in the US who need a debrief. We've got you. Full show notes here Want more? Our partners get episodes weekly, including this week's deep dive into documentary filmaking. If you want some tools for how to watch this documentary and others, Jess has all the tips for you. Connect with us on Twitter and Instagram

May 11, 2023 • 46min
126: The Recent Allegations Against Mike Pilavachi
Trigger Warning: This episode contains references to spiritual, religious, and sexual abuse. Please proceed with caution. What do we do when a spiritual hero is accused of abusive practices? Jess and Devi were both impacted by Soul Survivor founder, the Rev Canon Mike Pilavachi, and in this raw and real episode, they process the recent news about the investigation the Church of England announced. Want more? This week's partner-only episode of Purity Culture News & Views has the latest updates on the situation with Mike Pilavachi as well as more on how to deal with news about fallen Christian leaders. Sign up for $3/month to get it as well as romcom recaps and a ticket to the Big Debrief. Full show notes here

May 4, 2023 • 1h 8min
125: Revisiting "The Sex Talk" with Jess' mum
At some point in childhood you first learnt about sex. This might have been in the form of "the sex talk" from your parents. Or you might have heard it elsewhere. In this episode we reflect on that sex talk from parents and from a parent and child's perspective. Join Jessica and her mum Caren for this special discussion between a mother and daughter around the sex talk. What do we remember about that? What was said? What should be said? What would we do differently? Our Instagram community also had a lot to share on this topic! Jessica shares their thoughts across these questions as well. See show note links HERE.

Apr 25, 2023 • 44min
124: The Big Debrief
Ever wonder what it's like to gather with a group of strangers to talk about purity culture? Our partners get to experience it every month in The Big Debrief. And now you get to listen in. In this episode you get a taste of the warmth, wisdom, and fun that's in our monthly zoom conversations. Join us this month on April 27 (in the US) at 9pm EST and April 28 (in Australia) at 11am to talk about all the things.

Apr 19, 2023 • 1h 14min
123: Making (Grownup) Friends Is Hard To Do
Join us for an insightful discussion with Laura Tremaine, author of The Life Council, as we explore the challenges of making and keeping friends in adulthood. From busy schedules to changes in life stage, we uncover the top reasons why building meaningful connections as grown-ups can be tough, and share practical tips to overcome them. Full show notes here Partner with us to hear a conversation with journalist Bekah McNeel, author of Bringing Up Kids When The Church Let's You Down. Partners get romcom recaps and Purity Culture News & Views plus a ticket to the Big Debrief. Laura Tremaine is a writer, avid reader, and enthusiastic podcaster. She is the creator and host of the podcast "10 Things To Tell You." She is also the author of Share Your Stuff. I’ll Go First. (published February 2021), and her second book The Life Council: 10 Friends Every Woman Needs publishes April 2023. Laura lives in Los Angeles with her husband and two children. Follow Laura on Facebook & Instagram