
"Moment of Zen"
Every week, Erik Torenberg, Dan Romero, Antonio Garcia Martinez and frequent special guests discuss what's happening in technology, business, politics, and beyond.Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: turpentine.co
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May 10, 2025 • 35min
The Bureaucracy War: Palantir CTO Shyam Sankar and Senator Mike Lee (UT) - Hill & Valley Forum 2025
Join Senator Mike Lee, a Utah advocate for regulatory reform, and Shyam Sankar, CTO of Palantir and expert in defense innovation, as they call out the stifling bureaucracy hindering America's defense. They argue for a shift in power dynamics to revitalize competition and innovation. Hear them discuss the urgent need for 'heretical' leaders to break through traditional barriers and suggest reforms like the REINS Act. Together, they emphasize the importance of embracing unconventional ideas to keep pace with global AI advancements.

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May 6, 2025 • 36min
Energy, Education, Deregulation with David Friedberg, Shaun Maguire, and Todd Young at the Hill & Valley Forum
David Friedberg, CEO of Ohalo, joins Todd Young, U.S. Senator, and Shaun Maguire, partner at Sequoia, to tackle critical discussions on American energy and education. Friedberg identifies the widening energy gap with China and calls for reform in industrial job education. Young emphasizes the need for government action in reshoring essential technologies. They delve into enhancing manufacturing capabilities, the significance of strategic innovation, and the role of modular nuclear energy in shaping a sustainable future.

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Apr 27, 2025 • 30min
US-China AI Race, with Anthropic, ScaleAI, & AI Fund Founders
Today on Moment of Zen, we're sharing a conversation from the 2024 Hill and Valley Forum with the founders of Scale AI, Anthropic, and AI Fund on the urgent race between the U.S. and China in AI innovation.
Moderated by Senator Cory Booker and featuring Alexandr Wang, Jack Clark, and Andrew Eng, the panel covers why American AI leadership is at risk, and how smarter policy and faster deployment are critical to maintaining a competitive edge. (Note: that this conversation took place before the DeepSeek breakthrough.)
Keep an eye out for the 2025 Hill and Valley Forum on Wednesday, April 30 — and subscribe to the Hill & Valley podcast in the episode description to listen to every panel.
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HIGHLIGHTS OF THE DISCUSSION:
US-China AI competition:
The panelists strongly disagree with the Rand Corporation's assessment that China won't produce major AI advances
Jack Clark emphasized that underestimating China's creativity would be "chronically stupid"
Alex Wang noted Chinese companies have built some of the best open-source AI models in the world
Regulation approach:
The panelists generally advocated for minimal regulation that doesn't stifle innovation
Andrew Ng compared AI to electricity (not a "dual-use" but "multi-use" technology) that shouldn't be over-regulated
The panel suggested regulating specific applications rather than the foundational technology
National security concerns:
Alex Wang expressed that the US Department of Defense is using AI too slowly compared to adversaries
The panelists identified bureaucracy as a major obstacle to the US military adopting AI quickly enough
They described a "triple whammy" situation: rapidly advancing technology, increasing global conflicts, and risk-seeking leadership in rival nations
Infrastructure needs:
Jack Clark advocated for US investment in computing infrastructure to maintain leadership
He mentioned permit reform as surprisingly crucial for AI advancement to build data centers
The panel discussed the need for the US to compete with Middle Eastern countries' massive AI investments
Future vision (2055):
Jack Clark: Everyone will have customized education and tutoring
Alex Wang: Scientific breakthroughs will make sci-fi futures a reality
Andrew Ng: Intelligence will become cheap and accessible to everyone, not just the wealthy

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Apr 19, 2025 • 1h 11min
The Myth of Automatic Progress | Samo Burja
Samo Burja, founder of Bismarck Analysis, dives deep into the rise and fall of civilizations. He discusses his Great Founder Theory, emphasizing how exceptional individuals often drive innovation more than democratic processes. The conversation also explores the flaws in egalitarianism and evaluates how institutions shape societal success. Burja analyzes what makes cities attractive to talent and tackles the intricate balance between governance and cultural shifts, providing a thought-provoking look at what fuels societal progress.

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Apr 12, 2025 • 1h 3min
Ross Douthat on Tech's Religious Awakening, AI, and Transhumanism
Ross Douthat, a New York Times columnist and author known for his insights on religion and culture, dives into fascinating discussions about the intersection of faith and technology. He argues for the intellectual validity of institutional religion in a world leaning towards secularization. Douthat also challenges traditional atheism through the lens of modern spiritual curiosity. He explores AI's potential impact on human consciousness and morality, raising questions about the nature of belief and the future of tech in society.

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Apr 5, 2025 • 1h 7min
Will India Become a Global Superpower? | Samo Burja
Samo Burja, an expert on demographics and geopolitics, joins Erik Torenberg to dissect India's potential as a global superpower. They delve into India's demographic shifts, including its surprising decline in fertility rates and the bureaucratic hurdles hampering industrial growth. The discussion highlights Modi's nationalism, India’s digital aspirations, and the complex rivalry with China and Pakistan. Burja explores how institutional barriers could affect India's rise in a rapidly changing multipolar world.

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Mar 29, 2025 • 56min
Who Controls China When Xi Jinping Is Gone? | Samo Burja
Samo Burja, an expert on Chinese politics and economics, delves into the complexities surrounding Xi Jinping's rule and the future of China's governance. He explains how cartels operate like businesses, intertwining with political elites. The conversation highlights the economic ramifications of the drug trade and legalization, parallels between Mexico and China's political landscape, and the ongoing struggle for power within the Communist Party. Burja also evaluates Xi's legacy, exploring challenges for future leadership and the potential for scientific innovation in a politically charged environment.

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Mar 22, 2025 • 47min
Cartels vs. State: The Power Struggle in Mexico w/ Samo Burja
Samo Burja, a geopolitical and economic expert focused on Mexico, shares insights on the intricate ties between drug cartels and the Mexican political system. He illustrates how cartels function as business entities with strong elite connections. The conversation also delves into the economic repercussions of drug trafficking, the effects of legalization, and comparisons with global scenarios. Additionally, they discuss potential solutions for Mexico’s development and the broader implications for U.S.-Mexico relations.

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Mar 15, 2025 • 1h 3min
Inflation, Elon's Competence, and Changes Democrats Need to Make w/ Noah Smith
Joining the conversation is Noah Smith, an economist and blogger known for his sharp insights into economic policy and the Democratic Party's trajectory. He argues for a strategic shift towards fiscal responsibility and away from divisive identity politics. The discussion also highlights Elon's impact on political engagement, the importance of patriotism in messaging, and the need for authenticity in political discourse. Smith emphasizes rethinking current strategies on social issues while ensuring commitment to democratic principles.

Mar 8, 2025 • 1h 6min
Free Speech in Europe & the Future of Western Civilization | Samo Burja
Erik Torenberg and Samo Burja examine the pervasive fascination with American political dynamics and their far-reaching impact worldwide, especially across Western democracies and European nations. They analyze how digital connectivity has accelerated the harmonization of political discourse and cultural values across borders, while exploring the emerging shifts in European political frameworks that increasingly reflect American ideological patterns and media narratives—📰 Be notified early when Turpentine's drops new publication: https://www.turpentine.co/exclusiveaccess 🙏 Help shape our show by taking our quick listener survey at https://bit.ly/TurpentinePulse —SPONSOR: NETSUITE | SHOPIFY | INCOGNI | SQUADOver 41,000 businesses trust NetSuite by Oracle, the #1 cloud ERP, to future-proof their operations. Whether you're earning millions or hundreds of millions, NetSuite empowers you to tackle challenges and seize opportunities. Download the free CFO's guide to AI and machine learning at https://netsuite.com/zen.Shopify is the world's leading e-commerce platform, offering a market-leading checkout system Shoppay and exclusive AI apps. Nobody does selling better than Shopify. Get a $1 per month trial at https://shopify.com/momentofzen.Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code MOMENT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/momentHead to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to https://choosesquad.com/ and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.—LINKS:Two buttons meme: https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.2365085899.3351/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg The Clash of Civilizations: https://www.amazon.com/Clash-Civilizations-Remaking-World-Order/dp/1451628978 Bismark Analysis: https://brief.bismarckanalysis.com/—X / TWITTER:@SamoBurja@eriktorenberg@turpentinemedia--HIGHLIGHTSGlobal Political Influence
US politics heavily impact Western countries, while Americans know little about other nations' political leaders
Western countries form a connected political unit, using only other Western nations as models
Internet's Unifying Effect
Shared digital platforms have synchronized Western attention and culture more than ever before
Younger Europeans increasingly consume political news in English online rather than in local languages
Political & Cultural Transfer
American political concepts (from trans rights to gun advocacy) spread to Europe
Tension between traditional European media control and Silicon Valley's free speech platforms like X.com
Potential European Transformation
Free speech on social media could trigger significant right-wing political shifts in Europe
Upcoming elections may demonstrate the impact of changing information access
Questions about EU's "democratic deficit" and bureaucratic dominance
Western Alignment
Liberal and conservative international movements both center on US terms and platforms
Military strength contributes significantly to America's cultural influence
Western nations function as a de facto alliance despite having no formal "Western Union"