
"Moment of Zen"
Every week, Erik Torenberg, Dan Romero, Antonio Garcia Martinez and frequent special guests discuss what's happening in technology, business, politics, and beyond.Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: turpentine.co
Latest episodes

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Jun 21, 2025 • 49min
The Future of Media with Noah Smith and Chris Best, CEO of Substack
Join economist Noah Smith, who pens insights on economics and technology, and Chris Best, CEO of Substack, in a lively discussion about the future of media. They explore the potential decline of Twitter, the critical features needed in a successor platform, and how AI is reshaping content creation. The conversation touches on the rise of independent voices and real-time news reporting, while also pondering the transformative power of open-source intelligence using platforms like Substack. Dive into the evolving landscape of media and technology!

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Jun 14, 2025 • 48min
Are Dynasties Better Than Meritocracies?
Samo Burja, a sociologist and political scientist, discusses the intriguing dynamics of dynasties versus meritocracies. He argues that family-controlled enterprises, like the New York Times and Samsung, often outperform meritocratic structures in navigating succession challenges. Burja critiques the illusion of meritocracy in institutions and explores how dynastic legacies can shape media independence and corporate governance. He highlights the economic significance of influential families and suggests that promoting dynasties might foster better long-term leadership in the U.S.

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Jun 7, 2025 • 55min
The Middle Class Myth and China’s Future with Noah Smith
In this thought-provoking discussion, Noah Smith, an economics and technology writer with a popular Substack column, tackles the misconceptions surrounding the decline of America’s middle class. He reveals how median incomes have actually risen despite fears of globalization. The conversation delves into economic shifts from the Bretton Woods system to the challenges posed by China's rise, unraveling complex narratives about wage stagnation. Smith also critiques technological fears that may hinder U.S. competitiveness, emphasizing the importance of innovation for the future.

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May 31, 2025 • 49min
What If Rome Had Industrialized? | Samo Burja
Samo Burja, a sociologist and political scientist, discusses the fascinating idea of industrial revolutions that never fully materialized, focusing on ancient Rome. He highlights Rome's innovative water-powered mills and the complexities of slave labor's impact on technology. The conversation delves into how societies like Rome and the Song Dynasty thrived with advanced commerce before facing decline. Burja challenges our understanding of historical narratives, urging a fresh look at the intersections of technology, society, and economy.

May 24, 2025 • 1h 4min
Can Japan Survive Its Demographic Crisis? | Samo Burja
Today on Moment of Zen is a conversation I had with Samo Burja back in January 2024 on Japan's existential demographic crisis, analyzing how collapsing fertility rates and population aging threaten the nation's economic and geopolitical future. The discussion explores cultural barriers to family formation, automation limitations, and Japan's dilemma between preserving identity versus accepting transformative change.
Make sure to subscribe to Samo Burja's Bismarck Brief and the Live Players podcast to read analyses and briefs like this one:
Bismarck Brief: https://brief.bismarckanalysis.com/
Live Players: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers
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HIGHLIGHTS OF THE DISCUSSION:
Demographic Crisis
Fertility rate collapsed to 1.3 - population shrinking from 125M to 50M this century
Aging dependency ratio crushing economy - fewer workers supporting more elderly
Young people may emigrate if decline accelerates
Cultural Challenges
Work vs. family contradiction - salaryman culture prioritizes career over children
Proposed solution: Require executives to have 2+ kids
97% ethnic homogeneity creates social cohesion but limits immigration options
Economic Implications
Automation needs scale - fewer people makes it less effective
Japan's productivity gains vanish when controlling for aging
Risk of economic tailspin and brain drain
Military Transformation
From pacifist to military power - world-class navy, converting carriers for F-35Bs
Nuclear weapons ready - space program + plutonium = "some assembly required"
Key player in Taiwan scenarios
Geopolitical Positioning
Economically tied to China, security-wise allied with US
Will stay politically independent from China due to nationalism
Would go nuclear if US withdraws from East Asia
Japan must choose: Maintain cultural identity and accept economic decline, or transform through immigration to stay economically viable. Currently choosing the former while hoping automation saves them.

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May 17, 2025 • 47min
India-Pakistan Conflict Explained | Samo Burja
Samo Burja, a sociologist and political scientist, unpacks the intricate historical and cultural dimensions of the India-Pakistan conflict. He discusses the military capabilities of both nations and their potential for escalation, emphasizing the humanitarian implications of a nuclear confrontation. Burja dives into the perspectives on terrorism and security from both sides, revealing deep-seated grievances and historical claims. His analysis draws parallels to other regional conflicts, providing a rich exploration of geopolitical dynamics and national identities.

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May 10, 2025 • 35min
The Bureaucracy War: Palantir CTO Shyam Sankar and Senator Mike Lee (UT) - Hill & Valley Forum 2025
Join Senator Mike Lee, a Utah advocate for regulatory reform, and Shyam Sankar, CTO of Palantir and expert in defense innovation, as they call out the stifling bureaucracy hindering America's defense. They argue for a shift in power dynamics to revitalize competition and innovation. Hear them discuss the urgent need for 'heretical' leaders to break through traditional barriers and suggest reforms like the REINS Act. Together, they emphasize the importance of embracing unconventional ideas to keep pace with global AI advancements.

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May 6, 2025 • 36min
Energy, Education, Deregulation with David Friedberg, Shaun Maguire, and Todd Young at the Hill & Valley Forum
David Friedberg, CEO of Ohalo, joins Todd Young, U.S. Senator, and Shaun Maguire, partner at Sequoia, to tackle critical discussions on American energy and education. Friedberg identifies the widening energy gap with China and calls for reform in industrial job education. Young emphasizes the need for government action in reshoring essential technologies. They delve into enhancing manufacturing capabilities, the significance of strategic innovation, and the role of modular nuclear energy in shaping a sustainable future.

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Apr 27, 2025 • 30min
US-China AI Race, with Anthropic, ScaleAI, & AI Fund Founders
Today on Moment of Zen, we're sharing a conversation from the 2024 Hill and Valley Forum with the founders of Scale AI, Anthropic, and AI Fund on the urgent race between the U.S. and China in AI innovation.
Moderated by Senator Cory Booker and featuring Alexandr Wang, Jack Clark, and Andrew Eng, the panel covers why American AI leadership is at risk, and how smarter policy and faster deployment are critical to maintaining a competitive edge. (Note: that this conversation took place before the DeepSeek breakthrough.)
Keep an eye out for the 2025 Hill and Valley Forum on Wednesday, April 30 — and subscribe to the Hill & Valley podcast in the episode description to listen to every panel.
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Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hill-valley/id1692653857
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HillValleyForum
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HIGHLIGHTS OF THE DISCUSSION:
US-China AI competition:
The panelists strongly disagree with the Rand Corporation's assessment that China won't produce major AI advances
Jack Clark emphasized that underestimating China's creativity would be "chronically stupid"
Alex Wang noted Chinese companies have built some of the best open-source AI models in the world
Regulation approach:
The panelists generally advocated for minimal regulation that doesn't stifle innovation
Andrew Ng compared AI to electricity (not a "dual-use" but "multi-use" technology) that shouldn't be over-regulated
The panel suggested regulating specific applications rather than the foundational technology
National security concerns:
Alex Wang expressed that the US Department of Defense is using AI too slowly compared to adversaries
The panelists identified bureaucracy as a major obstacle to the US military adopting AI quickly enough
They described a "triple whammy" situation: rapidly advancing technology, increasing global conflicts, and risk-seeking leadership in rival nations
Infrastructure needs:
Jack Clark advocated for US investment in computing infrastructure to maintain leadership
He mentioned permit reform as surprisingly crucial for AI advancement to build data centers
The panel discussed the need for the US to compete with Middle Eastern countries' massive AI investments
Future vision (2055):
Jack Clark: Everyone will have customized education and tutoring
Alex Wang: Scientific breakthroughs will make sci-fi futures a reality
Andrew Ng: Intelligence will become cheap and accessible to everyone, not just the wealthy

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Apr 19, 2025 • 1h 11min
The Myth of Automatic Progress | Samo Burja
Samo Burja, founder of Bismarck Analysis, dives deep into the rise and fall of civilizations. He discusses his Great Founder Theory, emphasizing how exceptional individuals often drive innovation more than democratic processes. The conversation also explores the flaws in egalitarianism and evaluates how institutions shape societal success. Burja analyzes what makes cities attractive to talent and tackles the intricate balance between governance and cultural shifts, providing a thought-provoking look at what fuels societal progress.