
The Allan Gray Podcast
Long-term investors have to make sense of a barrage of information, from market movements and geopolitical news to economic developments and personal finance trends. Through conversations with investment professionals from Allan Gray and various expert guests, we aim to give you insight into how we view the world and how this shapes the way we construct our portfolios to deliver long-term returns for our clients.
Allan Gray is an authorised financial services provider.
Latest episodes

Jun 24, 2025 • 46min
27. From pints to Pixar
Shifting consumer patterns and behaviour. Disruptive innovations. Generational changes. These are not simply headlines; they are real challenges being navigated by investors. However, that is not all they are. They are also opportunity creators for investors who have done their homework and are deeply focused on fundamentals. Allan Gray portfolio managers Rory Kutisker-Jacobson, Jithen Pillay and Siphesihle Zwane delve into British American Tobacco, AB InBev and Disney – three large, long-standing businesses that have managed to reinvent themselves despite existing within rapidly evolving industries, experiencing major changes in their core economics and having made major acquisitions in recent times.

Jun 6, 2025 • 52min
26. Are global investors dependent on great expectations?
Global investors have been on a rollercoaster ride in the wake of President Trump’s announcement of an array of reciprocal tariffs which rocked global stock markets, initially sending US shares tumbling and then rebounding as investors hung onto news headlines as a key determinant of prices. But prices shouldn’t be confused with value, and the extreme volatility serves as a stark reminder to investors that paying a premium for optimism is dangerous and hefty price tags should be interrogated. In a wide-ranging conversation, Institutional Clients manager Horacia Naidoo-McCarthy and Rob Perrone, a senior investment specialist at our offshore partner, Orbis, explore the current global investment universe, explain why “great expectations” appear to be baked into markets and discuss many of the compelling opportunities in less popular markets. Orbis Global Balanced: Defensively positioned to deliver long-term returns · The conflict between price and fundamentals

Apr 24, 2025 • 53min
25. SA listed property: The appeal of fixed assets in an uncertain world
South African listed property has shifted from being a leading wealth creator in the early 2000s to one of the weakest performers over the past decade on the back of sluggish economic growth, ongoing infrastructure challenges and the impact of COVID-19 on retail and office space demand. Over the last year, the sector has shown signs of recovery. Is it time to cement the opportunity, or should it be approached with caution? In conversation with Allan Gray portfolio manager Siphesihle Zwane, investment analysts Ghiete van Zyl and Umar-Farooq Kagee explore how we apply our long-term investment approach when considering opportunities in listed property. They also unpack the distinctive features of this asset class and explain the fundamental drivers of the sector’s longer-term prospects. Allan Gray website

Feb 11, 2025 • 46min
24. How money tells the story of humanity – with David McWilliams
Many investors focus on trying to figure out how new technologies might change the world so that they can identify and back the likely winners. But according to renowned Irish economist and bestselling author David McWilliams, the greatest, enduring technological innovation of modern civilisation is not artificial intelligence or the internet – it is money. In conversation with Allan Gray chief investment officer Duncan Artus, McWilliams explains why he believes that money – a social technology – has changed the direction of humanity, and why it continues to influence the development of the world. Through money, we take a tour of the global investment universe, discussing everything from Trump and trade wars to credit cycles and currencies. Allan Gray website · Allan Gray | Could 2025 be the most consequential year in our lifetime?

Nov 19, 2024 • 50min
23. Beyond the US: Separating the signals from the noise
The US has dominated global news flow in the wake of the presidential election, and market-moving headlines continue to present the temptation to act on impulse. As investors who focus on the fundamentals, the “great election year” has challenged Allan Gray and our offshore partner, Orbis, to continue to filter the signals from the noise to identify compelling long-term opportunities. In this episode, portfolio manager Tim Acker is joined by Orbis portfolio manager Ben Preston. They touch on the impact of the US election on the markets, delve into how Orbis is exploring potential in the Korean market and biopharmaceuticals, and reveal enhancements to Orbis’ investment process. Allan Gray website

Oct 22, 2024 • 53min
22. A revival for South Africa’s retail giants?
As sentiment towards the South African economy improves following the formation of the government of national unity, some of the major retailers are seeing improved share performance. Lower oil prices, extended periods of uninterrupted power supply and the recent interest rate cut, which heralds a shift in policy, are notable short-term tailwinds to the sector. However, the longer-term prospects for SA retailers may be different. In a post-pandemic world where time-starved consumers face surging living costs, the battle for market share requires a balance between pricing, quality and convenience. Portfolio managers Siphesihle Zwane, Jithen Pillay and Kamal Govan discuss the thinking behind the retail exposure in the Allan Gray funds. They also delve into the performance drivers for Spar, Shoprite, Pick n Pay and Woolworths and explore key themes influencing the sector. Allan Gray website · Rate-cutting cycle kicks off

Sep 18, 2024 • 50min
21. How the great election year has shaped financial markets
Global elections have been a dominant force this year, with sentiment around polling and election results driving volatility in many markets. The ANC’s drastic decline at the polls and the formation of a government of national unity have been of keen interest to investors in SA Inc. Abroad, we have seen Labour take the lead by a landslide in the UK general election and the US presidential race heat up as Kamala Harris and Donald Trump increase their efforts to return to the White House. In this conversation, portfolio managers Thalia Petousis and Sean Munsie join Product Development manager Vuyo Mroxiso to explore the impact of the great election year on financial markets and explain how political change is reshaping the opportunity set for long-term investors. Allan Gray | Unit Trusts · Introducing the Allan Gray Interest Fund and the Allan Gray Income Fund

Aug 5, 2024 • 40min
20. Two-pot: How to achieve better retirement outcomes
The new two-pot retirement system has been designed to improve retirement outcomes for South Africans, while allowing some access to retirement savings in case of severe financial stress. However, there are some hidden risks that investors should be aware of to ensure they don’t inadvertently offset its intended benefits. Richard Carter, head of Assurance, is joined by Shaun Duddy, head of Product Development, to explore what the new rules mean for investors and their retirement planning. In this conversation, they explain the complexities, clear up common misconceptions and highlight the missteps investors should avoid to achieve better results. Two-pot retirement system

Jun 26, 2024 • 54min
19. Building multi-asset portfolios in an uncertain world
Periods of heightened uncertainty are inevitable when you are investing over the long term. And when it is not clear when or how things might change, multi-asset portfolio construction becomes an increasingly complex task. For some time, our offshore partner, Orbis, has warned that the environment appears to be changing, noting stickier global inflation, a shifting geopolitical landscape and higher risk-free rates. With key national elections across the globe, the transition to green energy and the rise of artificial intelligence increasing the noise, long-term investors must consider a host of additional variables as they pursue meaningful returns.
In conversation with Orbis portfolio manager Alec Cutler, Nshalati Hlungwane, a manager in our Institutional Clients team, explores the global investment universe and finds out how Orbis is thinking about its multi-asset strategies in the current environment. Allan Gray website · Orbis Global Balanced: Investing through the cycles

May 17, 2024 • 50min
18. Investment notes from the frontier
Investing in frontier markets is not for the faint-hearted. But for those brave enough to look beyond material risks, such as political instability, currency fluctuations and poor liquidity, many of these smaller markets provide fertile hunting ground for compelling ideas and exposure to sectors that are not available in South Africa. In conversation with Grant Pitt, head of Institutional, portfolio managers Rory Kutisker-Jacobson and Varshan Maharaj discuss the themes shaping frontier markets and explain how they navigate the risks as they pursue long-term returns. Frontier markets: Innovative industry leaders drive returns