The Allan Gray Podcast

Allan Gray
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Dec 1, 2025 • 34min

31. The cost of chasing perfection when investing – with Dr Thomas Curran

Is perfectionism costing us more than we realise in mental health, life and investment decision-making? Our head of Group Savings and Investments, Shaheed Mohamed, and Dr Thomas Curran, a leading academic on perfectionism and bestselling author, explore how striving for perfection can undermine long-term outcomes. Their conversation ranges from burnout and analysis paralysis to the hidden cost of chasing short-term gains. They also delve into the difference between perfection and excellence, the role of behavioural bias in investing, and the value of cultivating self-compassion and working towards realistic goals. Allan Gray website
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Nov 5, 2025 • 44min

30. Investment ideas that make us go hmmm – with Grant Williams

While what worked for the last 40 years of investing may not work for the next 40, history offers valuable lessons for the path ahead. Chief investment officer Duncan Artus and renowned author and publisher Grant Williams unpick past events and explore future opportunities. From Japan’s decades-long battle with deflation and the unique opportunities in its bond market to the rise of gold as a counterweight to fiat currency, they reflect on market cycles across regions and eras. The conversation spans geopolitics and power, inflation, disruptor industries and the slow pivot from virtual to virtuous value. ·
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Oct 17, 2025 • 41min

29. Separating the numbers from the narratives

There is often a great disparity between a stock’s market value and what it is fundamentally worth. In conversation with portfolio manager Rory Kutisker-Jacobson, Mark Dunley-Owen, portfolio manager from our offshore partner, Orbis, explores global investment opportunities beyond those currently in vogue. They delve into high-conviction picks in China, standout businesses in frontier and emerging markets, and promising US mid-cap industrials, as the rise of AI ripples across sectors. Against the backdrop of shifting geopolitics, they remind investors of the importance of challenging dominant market narratives to avoid overpaying – a key factor in achieving long-term outperformance. Allan Gray website
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Sep 12, 2025 • 54min

28. Gold in the age of fiscal dominance

With government debt levels at historic highs and inflationary pressures lingering, fiscal dominance is reshaping the global monetary landscape. Central banks are increasingly caught in a delicate balancing act – controlling inflation, while also managing the burden of sovereign debt and excess liquidity. At the same time, the US dollar’s role as the world’s primary reserve currency is facing growing scrutiny. Amid this evolving environment, gold is reasserting itself as a trusted store of value. Horacia Naidoo-McCarthy, Institutional Clients manager, hosts portfolio manager Thalia Petousis and investment analyst Umar-Farooq Kagee to explore a wide range of themes – from the recent gold rally to fiscal dominance and safe-haven assets. Allan Gray website · Rebuilding the global monetary order with bricks of gold
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Jun 24, 2025 • 46min

27. From pints to Pixar

Shifting consumer patterns and behaviour. Disruptive innovations. Generational changes. These are not simply headlines; they are real challenges being navigated by investors. However, that is not all they are. They are also opportunity creators for investors who have done their homework and are deeply focused on fundamentals. Allan Gray portfolio managers Rory Kutisker-Jacobson, Jithen Pillay and Siphesihle Zwane delve into British American Tobacco, AB InBev and Disney – three large, long-standing businesses that have managed to reinvent themselves despite existing within rapidly evolving industries, experiencing major changes in their core economics and having made major acquisitions in recent times.
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Jun 6, 2025 • 52min

26. Are global investors dependent on great expectations?

Global investors have been on a rollercoaster ride in the wake of President Trump’s announcement of an array of reciprocal tariffs which rocked global stock markets, initially sending US shares tumbling and then rebounding as investors hung onto news headlines as a key determinant of prices. But prices shouldn’t be confused with value, and the extreme volatility serves as a stark reminder to investors that paying a premium for optimism is dangerous and hefty price tags should be interrogated. In a wide-ranging conversation, Institutional Clients manager Horacia Naidoo-McCarthy and Rob Perrone, a senior investment specialist at our offshore partner, Orbis, explore the current global investment universe, explain why “great expectations” appear to be baked into markets and discuss many of the compelling opportunities in less popular markets. Orbis Global Balanced: Defensively positioned to deliver long-term returns · The conflict between price and fundamentals
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Apr 24, 2025 • 53min

25. SA listed property: The appeal of fixed assets in an uncertain world

South African listed property has shifted from being a leading wealth creator in the early 2000s to one of the weakest performers over the past decade on the back of sluggish economic growth, ongoing infrastructure challenges and the impact of COVID-19 on retail and office space demand. Over the last year, the sector has shown signs of recovery. Is it time to cement the opportunity, or should it be approached with caution? In conversation with Allan Gray portfolio manager Siphesihle Zwane, investment analysts Ghiete van Zyl and Umar-Farooq Kagee explore how we apply our long-term investment approach when considering opportunities in listed property. They also unpack the distinctive features of this asset class and explain the fundamental drivers of the sector’s longer-term prospects. Allan Gray website
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Feb 11, 2025 • 46min

24. How money tells the story of humanity – with David McWilliams

Many investors focus on trying to figure out how new technologies might change the world so that they can identify and back the likely winners. But according to renowned Irish economist and bestselling author David McWilliams, the greatest, enduring technological innovation of modern civilisation is not artificial intelligence or the internet – it is money. In conversation with Allan Gray chief investment officer Duncan Artus, McWilliams explains why he believes that money – a social technology – has changed the direction of humanity, and why it continues to influence the development of the world. Through money, we take a tour of the global investment universe, discussing everything from Trump and trade wars to credit cycles and currencies. Allan Gray website · Allan Gray | Could 2025 be the most consequential year in our lifetime?
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Nov 19, 2024 • 50min

23. Beyond the US: Separating the signals from the noise

The US has dominated global news flow in the wake of the presidential election, and market-moving headlines continue to present the temptation to act on impulse. As investors who focus on the fundamentals, the “great election year” has challenged Allan Gray and our offshore partner, Orbis, to continue to filter the signals from the noise to identify compelling long-term opportunities. In this episode, portfolio manager Tim Acker is joined by Orbis portfolio manager Ben Preston. They touch on the impact of the US election on the markets, delve into how Orbis is exploring potential in the Korean market and biopharmaceuticals, and reveal enhancements to Orbis’ investment process. Allan Gray website
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Oct 22, 2024 • 53min

22. A revival for South Africa’s retail giants?

As sentiment towards the South African economy improves following the formation of the government of national unity, some of the major retailers are seeing improved share performance. Lower oil prices, extended periods of uninterrupted power supply and the recent interest rate cut, which heralds a shift in policy, are notable short-term tailwinds to the sector. However, the longer-term prospects for SA retailers may be different. In a post-pandemic world where time-starved consumers face surging living costs, the battle for market share requires a balance between pricing, quality and convenience. Portfolio managers Siphesihle Zwane, Jithen Pillay and Kamal Govan discuss the thinking behind the retail exposure in the Allan Gray funds. They also delve into the performance drivers for Spar, Shoprite, Pick n Pay and Woolworths and explore key themes influencing the sector. Allan Gray website · Rate-cutting cycle kicks off

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