
Spiritual Life and Leadership
Ministry leadership is about more than just growing your church or organization. It’s about participating in God’s mission in the world. But how can leaders know God’s mission or their unique place in it? Faithful ministry leadership is rooted in a life of deep and abiding faithfulness to Jesus. In “Spiritual Life and Leadership,” Markus Watson and his guests explore what it means to be faithful leaders whose ministry flows from their ever-deepening relationship with God.
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Jul 29, 2019 • 37min
45. Retirement and Vocation, with Jeff Haanen, author of An Uncommon Guide to Retirement
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!We are called to participate with God in the healing of the world through our very work–as teachers, as mechanics, as doctors, as attorneys, as salespeople. Our work brings the goodness of God into the world.But what about when we retire? How can we participate with God in the healing of the world then? Is it possible to live a full life in retirement in which we understand our post-work life as more than just a big vacation?Jeff Haanen addresses these questions in his book, An Uncommon Guide to Retirement. Jeff challenges us to rethink our understanding of retirement, recognizing that it’s not just an extended vacation, but a time of fruitful work and ministry as we live into our calling as retired people.THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Jeff Haanen is the Executive Director of the Denver Institute for Faith and Work and the author of An Uncommon Guide to Retirement.Jeff Haanen came to faith as he read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. In recent years, the most formative book Jeff has read is Our Kids: The American Dream in Crisis by Robert Putnam.People need a why for their work to have meaning. Jeff Haanen wants to give people a why in their work. The why comes down to loving God and loving neighbor through one’s work.“Vocation” comes from the Latin word for “voice,” which has to do with responding to God’s voice.Jeff Haanen says we need to pause and question the culture around retirement, a culture that says if you save so much money you’ll be living “the life” when you retire. But life doesn’t always work that way.Rather than moving into a big vacation at retirement, people ought to move into a time of sabbatical rest.It’s important in retirement to not live merely for ourselves, but for God who calls us and for the well-being of our neighbors.Pastors can help those retired by encouraging seasons of rest, renewal, and reengagement.You can find out more about the book at www.uncommonretirement.com.To learn more about the Denver Institute for Faith, go to www.denverinstitute.org, For short online courses on faith, work, vocation, and so forth, go to www.scatter.org. RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKSAn Uncommon Guide to Retirement by Jeff Haanen: https://www.uncommonretirement.com/Denver Institute for Faith and Work: https://denverinstitute.org/Online courses by Jeff Haanen: Theology for BusinessSoul Care for EntrepreneursOther books mentioned: Mere Christianity by C.S. LewisOur Kids: The American Dream in Crisis by Robert PutnamTo leave a review of Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Jul 22, 2019 • 37min
44. Spiritual Formation and Lectio Divina, with Eric Nevins, host of Halfway There
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!If we want to keep growing in our faith we have to go deeper than merely reading a chapter of the Bible per day. That’s where lectio divina comes in. Lectio divina is a way of not merely getting information about God or about Jesus, but a way of truly experiencing Jesus. It’s a type of reading that involves silence and listening and receiving from Jesus his presence and his spirit.In this episode, Eric Nevins, host of the Halfway There podcast, shares about the transformative effect lectio divina has had on his life. THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Eric Nevins is host of the Halfway There podcast.The book, The Critical Journey, names six stages of spiritual formation. Eric likes to simplify spiritual formation into four stages: The journey of meeting Jesus. The journey of learning Jesus. The journey of finding yourself in Jesus. The journey of loving like Jesus.Lectio divina is process by which a person can read and meditate on scripture.Too often we read scripture for content or to try to get a principle that we can apply too our lives. But that may not be the best way to read scripture for the purpose of transformation.Lectio divina consists of essentially five parts: Read the passage. Reflect. Remain. Respond. Return to the passage.To reflect and remain in a passage involves noticing or imagining what it might be like to be in the text.To respond is to say to God, “Here’s what I’m feeling. Here’s what I’m interested in.”In lectio divina, we surrender ourselves to the text and allow ourselves to be shaped by it.Eric has written several 8-day experiences to help people practice lectio divina. You can find these at www.ericnevins.com. There are two of these 8-day experiences. One is on Mark 1:40-45 and the other is on John 2:1-12.Eric can be found on Twitter at @EricDNevinsJr, as well as on Facebook. For anyone who is a Christian podcaster, Eric would love to invite you to be a part of the Christian Podcast Association Facebook page. RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKSEric Nevins Website: https://ericnevins.com/Halfway There podcast: https://ericnevins.com/series/halfwaythere/8-Day Experiences: https://ericnevins.com/jesus-willing-8-day-experience/Books mentioned: The Critical Journey by Janet O. Hagberg and Robert A. GuelichEmotionally Healthy Spirituality Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Jul 15, 2019 • 15min
43. Introduction to "Beyond Thingification: Helping Your Church Engage in God's Mission"
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Understanding God's mission is critical.The world today is nothing like the world as it was fifty years ago. Because of this, a lot of churches are really struggling with how to be the church in the 21st century. People used to go to church because, well, that’s just what you did. But not anymore. Today, even a lot of Christians don’t go to church—at least not the typical Sunday morning kind of church.My new book, Beyond Thingification: Helping Your Church Engage in God’s Mission, is meant to help churches discern how to be the kind of church this world needs. And it has nothing to do with starting more and better programs. It’s about listening to God, listening to each other, and listening to our neighbors.In this episode, I read the Introduction of my forthcoming book, Beyond Thingification: Helping Your Church Engage in God’s Mission.THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:The words “self-preservation” and “self-propagation” capture the ethos of the church in North America today.Too many churches focus on numbers to feel successful. How many people showed up? How much did people give this week? How many small groups do we have? And so forth.Doing “church stuff” is not the same thing as accomplishing God’s mission.We need to find a new way of being church--a way that helps us live out God's mission in the world. RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKSBookBeyond Thingification, by Markus WatsonMarkus Watson Website: https://markuswatson.com/E-mail: markus@markuswatson.comTwitter: https://twitter.com/markuswatsonInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/markuswats0n/To leave a review of Spiritual Life and Leadership: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spiritual-life-and-leadership/id1435252632— Links to Amazon are affiliate links. If you make a purchase through any of these links, I’ll receive a small commission–which will help pay for the Spiritual Life and Leadership podcast!Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Jul 8, 2019 • 41min
42. Speaking Out Against Injustice, with Kathy Khang, author of Raise Your Voice
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!When I first read Raise Your Voice: Why We Stay Silent and How to Speak Up, I was captivated almost immediately by a story the author, Kathy Khang, told about a situation in which a friend physically covered her mouth to keep her from asking a challenging question in a meeting. Kathy wrote, “I didn’t realize how powerful my voice could be until someone made sure I wouldn’t be heard.”In this episode, Kathy Khang shares about her journey writing Raise Your Voice, and why it’s so important for us to not be afraid to speak out. THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Kathy Khang is the author of Raise Your Voice: Why We Stay Silent and How to Speak Up.Kathy shares about her ten-year journey of writing this book.The title, Raise Your Voice, initially felt too strong to Kathy.This book is for anyone who has ever felt strongly about something, but in a moment of decision chose not to say anything about it.Kathy reflects on a story she tells in her book about a time when a friend physically silenced her in a meeting by covering Kathy’s mouth with her hand.Kathy named the elephant in the room, which was important for healing and restoration in that circumstance.Markus reflects on his sense that he needs to be willing to speak up even when it’s uncomfortable.For those in majority, it is easy to remain silent because silence serves to maintain the status quo.Kathy Khang still gets comments from people who hear her preach that this was the first time they’ve ever heard an Asian American woman preach.Kathy encourages those who want to speak up that it’s ok to fail. It is an everyday occurrence.Kathy grew up believing that God was easily displeased. In the last five years, Kathy’s relationship with God has been much more joyful.One of the best things about Raise Your Voice is the way Kathy Khang unpacks the story of Esther in the New Testament. RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKSKathy Khang Twitter: @mskathykhangInstagram: @mskathykhangBlog: http://www.kathykhang.com/Books mentioned: Raise Your Voiceby Kathy KhangA Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’EngleTo leave a review of Spiritual Life and Leadership: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spiritual-life-and-leadership/id1435252632— Links to Amazon are affiliate links. If you make a purchase through any of these links, I’ll receive a small commission–which will help pay for the Spiritual Life and Leadership podcast!Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Jul 1, 2019 • 8min
41. The Law of the Splintered Paddle
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!What happens when a couple of Hawaiian fisherman hit King Kamehameha over the head with a canoe paddle so hard that the paddle breaks? You get the Law of the Splintered Paddle.THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:While on vacation in Hawaii, Markus came across a figure of King Kamehameha at a gift shop.Markus got curious about King Kamehameha, so he did some Google research.King Kamehameha is known for unifying the Hawaiian Islands about two hundred years ago.Markus tells the story of the Law of the Splintered Paddle.The Law of the Splintered Paddle, instituted by King Kamehameha was intended to protect the weak and powerless from predators.The Law of the Splintered Paddle and the way in which it was instituted, are a reflection of shalom—even though King Kamehameha was not a Christian.Where in your life do you see shalom emerging? How can you support it? Are you called to participate in it?Instructions to leave a review of Spiritual Life and Leadership:Click HERE.Click on the link that says, "Listen on Apple Podcasts."In the window that opens, click the button that says, "Open Link." This will open iTunes.To the right of the Spiritual Life and Leadership logo, click "Ratings and Reviews."Under the heading, "Customer Reviews," click on the button that says, "Write a Review."Select the number of stars and write your review.Click submit.I'd be so grateful if you did this. Thank you!Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Jun 24, 2019 • 39min
40. Preaching, Worship, and Justice, with Jennifer Ackerman
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Jennifer Ackerman, Director of the Lloyd John Ogilvie Institute of Preaching and the Director of the Ogilvie Instutute’s Micah Groups tells us all about Micah Groups in the interview. What are Micah Groups? Micah Groups are a way for spiritual leaders to grow in the integration of preaching, worship, and justice in their ministries. THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Jennifer Ackerman is the Director of the Lloyd John Ogilvie Institute of Preaching.The Ogilvie Institute is committed to being a place where preaching, worship, and justice converge.Micah Groups was created by Mark Labberton, the first Director of the Ogilvie Institute (and current President of Fuller Theological Seminary), to help pastors integrate preaching, worship, and justice.Jennifer Ackerman’s doctoral dissertation is on pastor and theologian Howard Thurman and his role in the Civil Rights Movement.Jennifer tells more about Micah Groups.The name, “Micah Groups,” is based on Micah 6:8.Jennifer shares some great stories about Micah Groups.Christena Cleveland wrote a book called Disunity in Christ in which she discusses the importance of getting out of our bubbles.Jennifer Ackerman feels God shaped her to be a “catalytic leader,” drawing out the strengths of the people she leads.Worship is a kind of practicing of who and what we are to be in the world.Micah Groups gave Markus a greater capacity for stepping into situations that are uncomfortable.Information about Micah Groups can be found at www.micahgroups.org.The Ogilvie Institute is launching short 4-week Micah Intensives in which participants do individual work and then gather for a weekly webinar with other participants.Contact Jennifer Ackerman at jenniferackerman@fuller.edu. RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKSMicah Groups Website: http://www.micahgroups.orgE-mail: jenniferackerman@fuller.eduBook mentioned: Disunity in Christ by Christena ClevelandInstructions to leave a review of Spiritual Life and Leadership:Click HERE.Click on the link that says, "Listen on Apple Podcasts."In the window that opens, click the button that says, "Open Link." This will open iTunes.To the right of the Spiritual Life and Leadership logo, click "Ratings and Reviews."Under the heading, "Customer Reviews," click on the button that says, "Write a Review."Select the number of stars and write your review.Click submit.I'd be so grateful if you did this. Thank you!— Links Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Jun 17, 2019 • 38min
39. Mental Health and Suicide Prevention, with Jimm Greer, President of UMTR2ME
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Jimm Greer is the Founder and President of UMTR2ME (pronounced “You matter to me”), an organization that provides hope, encouragement, and counseling to individuals who are struggling with thoughts of suicide. In this interview, Jimm shares his own story of struggling with mental health challenges and how those challenges led him to start UMTR2ME. THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Jimm Greer is the President and Founder of UMTR2ME (pronounced, “You Matter to Me”).UMTR2ME provides hope, encouragement, and counseling to individuals who are struggling with thoughts of suicide.Jimm Greer attempted suicide when he was in high school.Jimm had struggled with mental health challenges, depression, and so forth for much of his life.The words, “You matter to me,” are essential for someone who is going through a dark time.Jimm Greer shares a couple of stories of people who chose not to attempt suicide because of the ministry of UMTR2ME.For those who know someone who is considering suicide, it’s important not to be afraid to talk to them about it. The first question to ask is, “Why? Why are you feeling this way?”The UMTR2ME bracelets are a tool to start conversations and remind people that they do matter to someone.Jimm describes himself as having a “fierce” relationship with God.The times that Jimm feels the closest to God are also the times when he feels the farthest from God.Jimm Greer shares the story of how he started UMTR2ME. It came out of a dark moment of anger at God for not removing his mental health challenges. Jimm then changed his prayer to say, “God, I don’t want you to change me or fix me. I just want you to help me through this.” Within 72 hours, UMTR2Me was up and running.UMTR2ME’s website is www.umtr2me.org. UMTR2ME can also be found on Facebook and Twitter.UMTR2ME’s e-mail address is info@umtr2me.org, and the phone number is 760-440-UMTR (8687). RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKSUMTR2ME Website: http://umtr2me.org/E-mail: info@umtr2me.org760-440-UMTR (8687)Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/umtr2meTwitter: https://twitter.com/UMTR2MEInstructions to leave a review of Spiritual Life and Leadership:Click HERE.Click on the link that says, "Listen on Apple Podcasts."In the window that opens, click the button that says, "Open Link." This will open iTunes.To the right of the Spiritual Life and Leadership logo, click "Ratings and Reviews."Under the heading, "Customer Reviews," click on the button that says, "Write a Review."Select the number of stars and write your review.Click submit.I'd be so grateful if you did this. Thank you!— Links to Amazon are affiliate links. If you make a purchase through any of these links, I’ll receive a small commisGet Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Jun 10, 2019 • 30min
38. You Are God's Beloved
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!What does it mean to be God's beloved?How do we measure success as churches? Generally, we measure success the same way the rest of society does: How many people show up? How big is your budget? How does your facility look? I’ve heard it refurred to as “bodies, bucks, and buildings.” But is that how God measures success?The story of the Prodigal Son is a reminder that God doesn’t measure success the way we do. What matters to God is simply the reality that we belong to him. God would say to me, “The only thing that matters is that you are my beloved. On you may favor rests."In this episode, Markus discusses the voice of the “the distant country” that tells us we need to prove ourselves, and the voice of the Father who says simply, “You are God's beloved.”THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:This is based on the story of the prodigal son in Luke 15:11-24.Home wasn’t just the place where he lived; it’s the place where he was loved.The voice of the distant country says, “Show us what you’ve got. Prove yourself.”For churches, the voice of the distant country is expressed in what I call self-preservation and self-propagation.To declining churches, the distant country says, “What’s wrong with you?”To growing churches, the distant country says, “Look at you! You’re something!”As individuals, every time I try to show how successful I am, how educated I am, how theologically astute I am, I am responding to the voice of the distant country.What does returning home look like?For churches, it means returning to faithfulness. In other words, making faithfulness the number one measure of success (as opposed to measuring success based on how many people show).Returning home also involves returning to the mission of God, to bring healing and wholeness—shalom—to the world.You don’t have to be a big, well-resourced church to participate in the mission of God.For individuals, what does it mean to return home?It means no longer listening to the voice that says, “Show us what you’ve got.”It means listening to voice of the Father that simply says, “You are my beloved, on you my favor rests. Regardless of what you’ve accomplished.” Yes, you are God's beloved.God doesn’t celebrate because of what we accomplish or because of how successful we are.What God celebrates is when we begin to listen to the voice of the Father, who says, “You are my beloved. On you my favor rests.”The only greatness that matters is the greatness of God’s love for us.You are God's beloved. RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKSBooks mentioned The Return of the Prodigal Son by Henri NouwenMarkus Watson Website: https://markuswatson.com/E-mail: markus@watsonspot.comTwitter: @markuswatsonInstagram: @markuswats0nTo leave a review of Spiritual Life and Leadership: Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Jun 3, 2019 • 36min
37. Journaling for People Who Hate to Journal, with Tracy Winchell, host of Reboots podcast
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Journaling. Ugh… Some people love it. Some people hate it. Some people feel like they should be doing it because they’ve been told it will help them grow in their faith. But writing about their thoughts and feelings in a diary just doesn’t work for them.Well, along comes Tracy Winchell to give all of the non-journalers a way to keep track of their inner life that will probably work much better for them. So, if you hate journaling—and even if you love it—you might be inspired by Tracy Winchell’s journaling method. And if you give it a shot, you might very well find yourself growing closer to God and closer to your true self.THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Tracy Winchell is the host of the Reboots Podcast, which tells stories of people who have had to start over in life and in business.Because of the change she has had to navigate in her own life, Tracy is passionate about helping others navigate change.The journaling method Tracy uses begins with simply writing down three things each morning for which she is grateful.The next thing Tracy writes down is her answer to the question, “Where was I selfish today?” followed by, “Do I owe someone an apology?”The next question Tracy answers in her journal is, “How did God speak to me today?” This question helps her make sure she is listening to God.It also gives her credit when she actually is listening to God.Finally, it helps her document what God was saying to her and look back to see if she followed through on what she sensed God saying to her.Next, Tracy asks herself, “What good did I do today for myself or for someone else?” Finally, she asks, “How will I get better tomorrow?”In Episode 11, Discipleship and the Twelve Steps, Markus speaks with Kaye Schneider about the Twelve Step recovery process as a means of discipleship.Tracy has created a downloadable document with this format for journaling. You can find it at www.rebootspodcast.com/spirituallifejournaling.Listeners are invited to take a seven-day journaling challenge and let Tracy know how it goes.How legalistic should we be about journaling? Tracy’s answer: Not at all.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKSJournaling Resource www.rebootspodcast.com/spirituallifejournalingTracy Winchell E-mail: tracy@rebootspodcast.comReboots Podcast Website: https://rebootspodcast.com/Instagram: @rebootspodcastBooks mentioned The Lies We Believe by Chris ThurmanFinish by Jon AcuffThe Obstacle is the Way by Ryan HolidayTo leave a review of Spiritual Life and Leadership: Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

May 27, 2019 • 37min
36. The Vulnerable Pastor, with Mandy Smith
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Mandy Smith, Lead Pastor of University Christian Church in Cincinnati, Ohio, has written a wonderful book titled, The Vulnerable Pastor: How Human Limitations Empower Our Ministry, in which she shares about the ways our humanity and our weakness are actually a source of strength in our ministries. Too often, we think we have to fit a particular ministry stereotype in order to experience success in our ministries. Mandy Smith exposes that stereotype for what it is, and gives us permission to be who we are so that God can work through our true selves—not the false selves we want the world to see. THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Mandy Smith is the Lead Pastor of University Christian Church in Cincinnati and the author of The Vulnerable Pastor: How Human Limitations Empower Our Ministry.Mandy shares the story of her call to ministry.Mandy felt like she needed to include a lot of her story in her book because the idea of a vulnerable pastor had to be embodied in a real person.The way Mandy Smith uses the word “vulnerability” is not limited to the way Brene Brown uses it. For Mandy, vulnerability is about the experience of being human.Mandy shares about the way she experienced weakness early in her ministry. In the midst of that, she heard God say, “In your weakness, I am strong.”Mandy and Markus reflect on Enneagram types that may have a harder time with vulnerability.We can help people in our ministries live out healthy vulnerability by modeling it for them.Mandy Smith writes for both Missio Alliance and Christianity Today.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKSMandy Smith: Twitter: @uccmandyUniversity Christian Church: Website: http://www.universitychristianchurch.net/Books mentioned: The Vulnerable Pastor by Mandy SmithA Little Manual for Knowing by Esther Lightcap MeekInstructions to leave a review of Spiritual Life and Leadership:Click HERE.Click on the link that says, "Listen on Apple Podcasts."In the window that opens, click the button that says, "Open Link." This will open iTunes.To the right of the Spiritual Life and Leadership logo, click "Ratings and Reviews."Under the heading, "Customer Reviews," click on the button that says, "Write a Review."Select the number of stars and write your review.Click submit.I'd be so grateful if you did this. Thank you!— Links to Amazon are affiliate links. If you make a purchase through any of these links, I’ll receive a small commission–which will help pay for the Spiritual Life and Leadership podcast!Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.