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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
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Jan 22, 2024 • 1h 2min
The Global Exchange: Canada's Strategic Leverage on Food and Energy
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Ted Bilyea Doug Hedley and Al Mussel to discuss the role of Canadian agriculture and energy on global food security.
Participants' bios
- Ted Bilyea is a Distinguished Fellow of CAPI, and a member of the Canadian Agricultural Hall of Fame.
- Doug Hedley had a long career as a senior executive in Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada and also member of the Canadian Agricultural Hall of Fame.
- Al Mussel is the Research Director at the Canadian Agri-Food Policy Institute.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- UN FAO Publications: https://www.fao.org/publications/home/fao-flagship-publications/en
- "Energy in Nature and Society: General Energetics of Complex Systems", by Vaclav Smil: https://www.amazon.ca/Energy-Nature-Society-General-Energetics/dp/0262693569
- "How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen", by David Brooks: https://www.amazon.ca/How-Know-Person-Seeing-Others/dp/059323006X
- "Agricultural Domestic Support Under the WTO: Experience and Prospects", by Lars Brink and David Orden: https://www.amazon.com/Agricultural-Domestic-Support-Under-International/dp/1316514056
- "Death Followed Us Home", by J.S. Rioux: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/204879849-death-followed-us-home
Recording Date: January 11, 2023.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 19, 2024 • 1h 13min
Defence Deconstructed: Military Innovation & Procurement's Nexus with C4ISR
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, two segments.
First, David Perry speaks to Alexander Salt, Triple Helix's Post-Doctoral Fellow, about military innovation and what it means for the integration of advanced capabilities.
Then, you'll hear a panel conversation between Microsoft's Derek Dobson, RAdm Lou Carosielli, MGen Peter Dawe, and Christopher Zimmer about the defence procurement nexus with C4ISR.
This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.
Guests biographies
Alex Salt is Triple Helix's Post-Doctoral Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/triple_helix_our_team
RAdm Lou Carosielli is Chief of Staff for Assistant Deputy Minister (Information Management).
MGen Peter Dawe is the Canadian Armed Forces’ Chief of Combat Systems Integration
MGen Christopher Zimmer is Chief of Staff of the Department of National Defence's Digital Transformation Office.
Hosts bios
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Derek Dobson is the leader of Microsoft Canada's Defence, Intelligence, Public Safety & Justice businesses.
What Alex Salt is reading:
Command: The Twenty First Century General by Anthony King – https://www.amazon.com/Command-Twenty-First-Century-General-Anthony-King/dp/1108476406
Recording Date: 18 Jan 2024 and 29 Nov 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Jan 18, 2024 • 46min
Energy Security Cubed: A Dangerous Winter for the Electrical Grid with Kathryn Porter
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Kathryn Porter about the impact of the polar vortex on Alberta's electrical grid and growing energy nationalism in Europe.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan talk about the Trans Mountain pipeline and moves by Chinese companies to gain more control over the cobalt market.
Guest Bio:
- Kathryn Porter is an energy consultant and founder of Watt-Logic: https://watt-logic.com/
Host Bio:
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "The Prince of Nothing", by R. Scott Bakker: https://www.amazon.com/The-Prince-of-Nothing-3-book-series/dp/B0749XZ9DM
Interview recording Date: January 17, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 15, 2024 • 56min
The Global Exchange: A Look Ahead to 2024
On this special episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by the Honourable Jean Charest, Honourable Peter MacKay and the Honourable John Manley.
Participants' bios
- The Honourable Jean Charest served as premier of Quebec from 2003 to 2012, as well as deputy prime minister under Prime Minister Kim Campbell
- The Honourable John Manley served as deputy prime minister of Canada from 2002 to 2003, as well as portfolios including Industry, Foreign Affairs and Finance
- The Honourable Peter MacKay served as minister for Atlantic Canada Opportunities, Foreign Affairs, Defence, Justice and as Attorney General
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Battlegrounds: The Fight to Defend the Free World", by H.R. McMaster: https://www.amazon.ca/Battlegrounds-Fight-Defend-Free-World/dp/0062899465
- "Red Line Podcast": https://www.theredlinepodcast.com/episodes
- "How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen", by David Brooks: https://www.amazon.ca/How-Know-Person-Seeing-Others/dp/059323006X
- "How the World Really Works: The Science Behind How We Got Here and Where We're Going", by Vaclav Smil: https://www.amazon.ca/How-World-Really-Works-Science/dp/0593297067
- "Tom Lake", by Ann Patchett, audiobook voiced by the spectacular, luxurious tones of Meryl Streep: https://www.amazon.com/Audible-Tom-Lake-A-Novel/dp/B0BPZYH97W
Recording Date: January 9, 2024.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 12, 2024 • 1h 18min
Defence Deconstructed: Anticipating the Taiwanese Elections & Taking Stock of Defence Procurement
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Sara Newland, Scott Simon, Chiaoning Su, and Wen-Ti Sung to discuss the geopolitical implication of the Taiwanese election. This conversation took place on January 10th, 2024 and was made possible thanks to the support of the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office.
Then, you’ll hear a discussion between David Perry, Deputy Minister of Defence Bill Matthews, and Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science, and Economic Development Simon Kennedy about the evolution of procurement since Strong, Secure, Engaged. This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.
Guests biographies
Sara Newland is an Assistant Professor of Government at Smith College – https://www.smith.edu/people/sara-newland
Scott Simon is a Professor at the University of Ottawa – https://uniweb.uottawa.ca/members/1024
Chiaoning Su is an Associate Professor at Oakland University – https://oakland.edu/cj/faculty/su
Wen-Ti Sung is a Nonresident Fellow at the Atlantic Council – https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/wen-ti-sung/
Bill Matthews is Deputy Minister of National Defence – https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/organizational-structure/deputy-minister-national-defence.html
Simon Kennedy is Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada – https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/ised/en/about-us/our-organization/deputy-minister/simon-kennedy
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 10 Jan 2024 and 29 Nov 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Jan 11, 2024 • 1h 4min
Energy Security Cubed: Energy Security Year in Review 2023
On this special episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss major events in global and Canadian energy security in 2023, and what to watch for into the future.
Host Bios:
- Kelly Ogle is CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Clip Guest Bios
1:02 - Kent Fellows, Associate Professor of Economics at the University of Calgary and Fellow-in-Residence at the C.D. Howe Institute
8:46 - Michelle Bockmann, Senior Analyst at Lloyd's List Intelligence
16:40 - Morgan Bazilian, Director of the Payne Institute of Policy at the Colorado School of Mines
25:00 - Yves Giroux, Canada's Parliamentary Budget Officer
34:55 - Joe Ingram, CGAI Fellow
41:10 - Amrita Sen, Co-Founder and Director of Research at Energy Aspects
49:00 - Daniel Yergin, Pulitzer Prize Winning Author and Vice Chairman at S&P Global
What is Joe reading?
1. "The Rise and Fall of American Growth: The U.S. Standard of Living since the Civil War", by Robert J. Gordon: https://www.amazon.ca/Rise-Fall-American-Growth-Standard/dp/0691147728
2. "The Ascent of Money: A Financial History of the World", by Niall Ferguson: https://www.amazon.ca/Ascent-Money-Financial-History-World/dp/0143116177
What is Kelly reading?
1. "The Appollo Murders", by Chris Hadfied: https://www.amazon.ca/The-Apollo-Murders/dp/0316264539
2. "The Duel: Diefenbaker, Pearson and the Making of Modern Canada", by John Ibbitson: https://www.amazon.ca/Duel-Diefenbaker-Pearson-Making-Modern-ebook/dp/B0BZC4CL15
3. "Dominion: The Railway and the Rise of Canada", by Stephen Bown: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/690690/dominion-by-stephen-r-bown/9780385698726
Recording Date: January 10, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joseph Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 9, 2024 • 53min
The Global Exchange: Reflecting on the Career of Jean Chretien
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Bob Plamondon and Peter Donolo to discuss the career of Jean Chretien as the former Canadian Prime Minister approaches his 90th birthday.
Find Colin's previous conversations with former Prime Minister Jean Chretien
2020: https://www.cgai.ca/jean_chretien_on_its_a_very_different_world_that_were_living_at_this_time
2021: https://www.cgai.ca/in_conversation_with_the_hon_jean_chretien
Participants' bios
- Peter Donolo is a CGAI Fellow. He served as Mr. Chretien’s director of Communications and later as Canada's Consul General in Milan
- Bob Plamondon is the author of many books on Canadian political history including The Shawinigan Fox: How Jean Chretien Defied the Elites and Reshaped Canada. He is currently working on a new book looking at the Chretien leadership style.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Lincoln Project", Showtime Documentary Series: https://www.sho.com/the-lincoln-project
- "The Craft: How the Freemasons Made the Modern World", by John Dickie: https://www.amazon.ca/Craft-Freemasons-Made-Modern-World/dp/161039867X
Recording Date: January 8, 2023.
Give 'The Global Exchange' a review on Apple Podcasts!
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Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 5, 2024 • 50min
Defence Deconstructed: Update on the Red Sea Attacks & Evolving Defence Procurement
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Kate Todd discusses developments in the Red Sea with David Perry and Noah Bonis-Charancle.
Then, David Perry chats with Simon Page, Assistant Deputy Minister Defence and Marine Procurement at Public Services and Procurement Canada from our November 29th, 2023 Procurement Conference. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS program, our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding and Hanwha Defence; Gold Sponsor Raytheon Technologies, Silver Sponsors CAE, L3Harris Technologies, and Seaspan; and Bronze Sponsors Thales and Microsoft.
Guest bios:
Noah Bonis-Charancle is a Toronto-based lawyer at Gardiner Roberts and is a former Navigation Officer for The Royal Canadian Navy – https://grllp.com/profile/NoahBonis-Charancle
Simon Page is the Assistant Deputy Minister Defence and Marine Procurement at Public Services and Procurement Canada – https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/corporate/transparency/briefing-materials/2023-minister-transition-book-1/biographies.html#a11
Host bio
Kate Todd is CGAI's 2023-24 Women in Defence and Security Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/katherine_todd
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 4 Jan 2024/ 29 Nov 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Jan 4, 2024 • 51min
Energy Security Cubed: How Canada Strengthens Korean Energy Security with Sun Ryung Park
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan talk with Sun Ryung Park about her recent paper for the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, "An Entrepreneurial State in Green Transition: Korea’s Energy Security and Canada-ROK Co-operation".
You can find Sun's paper here: https://www.cgai.ca/an_entrepreneurial_state_in_green_transition_koreas_energy_security_and_canada_rok_co_operation
Guest Bio:
- Sun Ryung Park is a Ph.D. candidate in Political Science at the University of British Columbia
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle in the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "I May Be Wrong", by Björn Natthiko Lindeblad: https://www.amazon.co.uk/May-Be-Wrong-Wisdoms-Forest/dp/1526644827
Interview recording Date: December 13, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Dec 29, 2023 • 42min
Defence Deconstructed: Peace and Stability in the Korean Peninsula
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Sunghwah Ko about what South Korea is doing to effectively deter North Korean escalation.
This episode is part of a series on Canada-Korea relations funded by the Korea Foundation.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guest bio:
Sunghwah Ko is a PhD Candidate at Hankuk School of Foreign Affairs
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 13 Dec 2023
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips