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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Episodes
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Nov 10, 2023 • 1h 3min
Defence Deconstructed: Connectivity, Interoperability, and Pan-Domain Command and Control
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Julia Scouten speaks to Ray Hession, Jenessa Nava, Chip Sinclair, and Raj Thuppal about how to implement the connectivity, interoperability, and pan-domain command and control aspects of NORAD modernization.
Before that, Kate Todd and David Perry discuss the latest in defence news. Register to the Procurement Conference on November 29: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/annual-defence-procurement-conference-tickets-705996182587?aff=oddtdtcreator
This episode is a recording from our latest NORAD Modernization Conference, which took place on October 18, 2023 in Ottawa. This event was made possible thanks to the support of CGAI’s Strategic Sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics Canada, Irving Shipbuilding and Hanwha Defence; our Gold Sponsor Raytheon Technologies; our Silver Sponsors AECOM, Amazon Web Services, and Canadian Nuclear Laboratories.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guest bio:
Kate Todd is CGAI's 2023-2024 WiDS Fellow.
Ray Hession leads ASW Canada’s national security and defence practice.
Jenessa Nava is Senior Director, Global Strategy, Mission Systems for Collins Aerospace.
Chip Sinclair is a Business Development and Capture Manager at Lockheed Martin.
Raj Thuppal is the Department of National Defence's Chief Information Officer.
Host bio
Julia Scouten is the President of Women in Defence and Security.
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 18 Oct 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Nov 9, 2023 • 39min
Energy Security Cubed: Canada's Impact Assessment Act Ruling with Heather Exner-Pirot
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle has a conversation with Heather Exner-Pirot on the recent Supreme Court of Canada ruling finding much of the Impact Assessment Act unconstitutional, and what it could mean for environmental regulation in Canada.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan chat about recent events in energy, including the economics of CCUS, US sanctions on Russia's Arctic LNG 2, and Spain's outloom for renewables expansion.
You can find Heather's article in the Globe and Mail here: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-supreme-court-ruling-on-federal-environmental-law-a-step-toward/
Guest Bio:
- Heather Exner-Pirot is director of energy, natural resources and environment at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle in the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "The Fourth Turning: What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America's Next Rendezvous with Destiny", by William Strauss and Neil Howe: https://www.amazon.ca/Fourth-Turning-History-Americas-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464
Interview recording Date: October 23, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Nov 6, 2023 • 47min
The Global Exchange: Rebuilding and Rethinking Canada's Role in the United Nations
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Kerry Buck and Michael Manulak to discuss their recent paper for Carleton University's Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, "Canada and the United Nations: Rethinking and Rebuilding Canada's Role".
Find the paper here: https://carleton.ca/npsia/wp-content/uploads/Canada-and-the-United-Nations-Rethinking-and-Rebuilding-Canada%E2%80%99s-Global-Role_Final-Report-Digital-1.pdf
Participants' bios
- Kerry Buck is a CGAI Fellow, and was Canada’s Ambassador to NATO from 2015 to 2018
- Michael W. Manulak is Assistant Professor at the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Change in Global Environmental Politics: Temporal Focal Points and the Reform of International Institutions", by Michael Manulak: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/change-in-global-environmental-politics/3385DEB4375F0BC5C8EC22662BA7E0CF
- "Mike: The Memoirs of the Rt. Hon. Lester B. Pearson", by Lester B. Pearson: https://www.amazon.ca/Mike-Memoirs-Hon-Lester-Pearson-1897-1948/dp/1442615648
Recording Date: November 3, 2023.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Nov 3, 2023 • 26min
Defence Deconstructed: NORAD Modernization, The Way Forward
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Major-General Sylvain Ménard outlines the projects the Royal Canadian Air Force is pursuing to achieve NORAD Modernization.
This episode is a recording from our latest NORAD Modernization Conference, which took place on October 18, 2023 in Ottawa. This event was made possible thanks to the support of CGAI’s Strategic Sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics Canada, Irving Shipbuilding and Hanwha Defence; our Gold Sponsor Raytheon Technologies; our Silver Sponsors AECOM, Amazon Web Services, and Canadian Nuclear Laboratories.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guest bio:
MGen Sylvain Ménard is Chief of Fighter and NORAD Capabilities.
Host bio
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 18 Oct 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Nov 2, 2023 • 43min
Energy Security Cubed: Energy in the Middle East and the Israel-Hamas War with Sara Vakhshouri
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle has a conversation with Sara Vakhshouri about Iranian and OPEC energy supplies in the context of the Israel-Hamas war.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan chat about recent events in energy, including Russian oil exports, the move by the Canadian Federal Government to exempt heating oil from the carbon pricing backstop, and the outlook for Sustainable Development Technology Canada.
You can find the article by Israr Ahmad about SDTC's internal issues here: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-sdtc-funding-canada-cleantech-companies/
Guest Bio:
- Sara Vakhshouri is a CGAI Fellow, founder and president of SVB Energy International, and a Research Fellow at the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies.
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle in the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Oilcraft: The Myths of Scarcity and Security That Haunt U.S. Energy Policy", by Robert Vitalis: https://www.amazon.ca/Oilcraft-Scarcity-Security-Energy-Policy/dp/1503600904
- "Cobalt Red: How the Blood of the Congo Powers Our Lives", by Siddarth Kara: https://www.amazon.ca/Cobalt-Red-Blood-Congo-Powers-ebook/dp/B09Y462D6Z
Interview recording Date: October 20, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 30, 2023 • 45min
The Global Exchange: Looking Toward CUSMA Renewal in 2026
On this episode of The Global Exchange, host Colin Robertson moderates a panel discussion with Meredith Lilly, Steve Verheul, and Aaron Fowler about CUSMA and the planning underway for its mandatory renewal consideration in 2026.
This panel was part of a discussion on our North American economic platform held in partnership with the Brookings Institution and the Business Council of Canada.
For more on the CUSMA. especially for updates on our various trade disputes, visit the Brookings USMCA site: https://www.brookings.edu/projects/usmca-initiative/
Participants' Bios
- Meredith Lilly is a CGAI Fellow and Advisory Council Member, as well as Associate Professor at Carleton University’s Norman Paterson School of International Affairs where she holds the Simon Reisman Chair in International Economic Policy
- Steve Verheul is former Chief Trade Negotiator for the Canada -US-Mexico and Canada-Europe trade agreements
- Aaron Fowler is Associate Assistant Deputy Minister for Trade Policy and Negotiations at Global Affairs Canada
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Recording Date: September 26, 2023.
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Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine and Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 27, 2023 • 1h 1min
Defence Deconstructed: Thriving in the Canadian Procurement System
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry is speaking to Alex McPhail about his book Win Big the EXA Way: A Personal Perspective on Canadian Procurement.
Kate Todd joins the program to talk about the latest in defence news.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and CAE
Participants bios
Alex McPhail is President and CEO of EXA Consulting and author of Win Big the Exa Way. – https://www.exa.group/team-members/alex-mcphail
Host Bio
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Read:
Win Big the EXA Way: A Personal Perspective on Canadian Procurement by Alex McPhail – https://www.exa.group/about
Michael Connelly’s books– https://www.michaelconnelly.com
Recording Date: 24 October 2023
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Oct 26, 2023 • 42min
Energy Security Cubed: A Mid-Crisis Update on Global Oil Geopolitics with Amrita Sen
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle has a conversation with Amrita Sen about global oil geopolitics as the Israel-Hamas war threatens to spill into a regional conflict.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan chat about recent events in energy, including the IEA's World Energy Outlook 2023 Report and the role of Qatar in local politics and global energy geopolitics.
Guest Bio:
- Amrita is the Founder and Director of Research at Energy Aspects, and a CGAI Fellow
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle in the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Interview recording Date: October 24, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 23, 2023 • 37min
The Global Exchange: A Conversation on Order and Judgement with Robert Kaplan
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Robert Kaplan to discuss international relations and the lessons from his two recent books, "The Tragic Mind: Fear, Fate, and the Burden of Power", and "The Loom of Time: Between Empire and Anarchy, from the Mediterranean to China".
Find his books here:
https://www.amazon.ca/Tragic-Mind-Fear-Burden-Power/dp/0300263864
https://www.amazon.ca/Loom-Time-Between-Anarchy-Mediterranean-ebook/dp/B0BPQLS68N
Participant bio
- Robert Kaplan is an author on foreign affairs and travel
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Pessoa: A Biography", by Richard Zenith: https://www.amazon.ca/Pessoa-Biography-RICHARD-Zenith/dp/0871404710
- "Dubliners", by James Joyce: https://www.amazon.ca/Dubliners-James-Joyce/dp/0486268705
Recording Date: October 6, 2023.
Give 'The Global Exchange' a review on Apple Podcasts!
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs) and Linkedin.
Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 20, 2023 • 36min
Defence Deconstructed: Building & Leading Culture Change
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is joined by Lieutenant-General Jennie Carignan to take stock of the work Chief Professional Conduct and Culture has done since its inception in 2021.
This episode is part of a series on CAF Reconstitution and Culture Change, made possible thanks to a Department of National Defence Targeted Engagement Grant, and to CGAI's Strategic Sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding & CAE.
Participant Bio
Lieutenant-General Jennie Carignan is the Canadian Armed Forces' Chief Professional Conduct and Culture – https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/organizational-structure/chief-professional-conduct-culture/biography.html
Host
Host Bio
Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is Ottawa Operations Manager and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. https://www.cgai.ca/charlotte_duval_lantoine
Recording Date: 1 Sept 2023
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips