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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Episodes
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Dec 22, 2023 • 20min
Defence Deconstructed: Technology Integration in the South Korean Military
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Daniel Jacinto about integration of emerging technology in the South Korean military and potential cooperation with Canada.
This episode is part of a series founded by the Korea Foundation. To read the papers and hear the podcasts, visit: https://www.cgai.ca/2023_canada_korea_series
Guest bio
Daniel Jacinto is a PhD Student at McGill University
Host bio:
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
What Daniel is reading:
Great Powers and Outlaw States by Gerry Simpson – https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/great-powers-and-outlaw-states/D5494BD19BB33F0DECD62B9C3C4B16DB
Recording Date: 13 Dec 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Dec 21, 2023 • 50min
Energy Security Cubed: Dark Fleets, Houthis, and Energy Security with Michelle Bockmann
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Joe Calnan talks with Michelle Bockmann about geopolitical risks to energy shipping, including the dark tanker fleet, sanctions, and the Houthi threat in the Red Sea.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan talk about Operation Prosperity Guardian and the risk of war with China over Taiwan.
Guest Bio:
- Michelle Bockmann is a Senior Analyst at Lloyd's List Intelligence
Host Bio:
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Prophet Song", by Paul Lynch: https://www.amazon.com/Prophet-Song-Booker-prize-2023/dp/0861546865
- "The Woman in Me, by Britney Spears: https://www.amazon.ca/Woman-Me-Britney-Spears/dp/1668009048
- "Corporate Governance: Principles, Policies, and Practices", by Bob Tricker: https://www.amazon.ca/Corporate-Governance-Principles-Policies-Practices/dp/0198702752
Interview recording Date: December 19, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Dec 20, 2023 • 34min
Energy Security Cubed: Political and Geopolitical Risks for Energy with Lisa Baiton
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle has a conversation with Lisa Baiton about the future of Canada’s oil and gas industry in light of ongoing geopolitical instability and climate policies.
Guest Bio:
- Lisa Baiton is the CEO of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "The Second Mountain: The Quest for a Moral Life", by David Brooks: https://www.amazon.ca/Second-Mountain-David-Brooks/dp/0812993268
Interview recording Date: December 14, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Dec 18, 2023 • 54min
The Global Exchange: Ukraine's Neighbors on European Security
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Andrew Rasiulis, Jari Vilén and Lithuanian Ambassador Darius Skusevičius to discuss the current situation in Ukraine from the perspective of Ukraine's neighbors.
Participants' bios
- Andrew Rasiulis is a CGAI Fellow
- Jari Vilén is Finland’s Ambassador to Canada
- Darius Skusevičius is Lithuania's Ambassador to Canada
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Rites of Peace: The Fall of Napoleon and the Congress of Vienna", by Adam Zamoyski: https://www.amazon.ca/Rites-Peace-Napoleon-Congress-Vienna/dp/006077519X
- "Accidental Czar: The Life and Lies of Vladimir Putin", by Andrew S. Weiss and Brian "Box" Brown: https://www.amazon.ca/Accidental-Czar-Life-Vladimir-Putin/dp/1250760755
- "The Torture Camp on Paradise Street", by Stanislav Aseyev (Author), Zenia Tompkins (Translator), and Nina Murray (Translator): https://www.amazon.ca/Torture-Camp-Paradise-Street/dp/0674291085
Recording Date: December 15, 2023.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Dec 15, 2023 • 47min
Defence Deconstructed: Economic Security is National Security
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Trevor Neiman about the Business Council of Canada's report, "Economic Security is National Security."
Read the report here: https://thebusinesscouncil.ca/report/economic-security-is-national-security/
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Guest bio:
Trevor Neiman is Vice President, Policy and Legal Counsel at the Business Council of Canada – https://thebusinesscouncil.ca/about-us/staff-and-leadership/
Host Bio
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
What Trevor is reading
Hyperion by Dan Simmons – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/167468/hyperion-by-dan-simmons/9780399178610
Recording Date: 1 Dec 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Dec 14, 2023 • 1h 1min
Energy Security Cubed: Briefing on a Strange Oil Market with Rory Johnston
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan talk with Rory Johnston about climate, geopolitics, and artificial intelligence in the oil market.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan chat about the Houthi attacks on commercial shipping in the Bab-el-Mendeb Strait.
Guest Bio:
- Rory Johnston is a CGAI Fellow at the founder of Commodity Context.
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle in the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future", by Sebastian Mallaby: https://www.amazon.ca/Power-Law-Venture-Capital-Making/dp/052555999X
- "Cobalt Red: How the Blood of the Congo Powers Our Lives", by Siddarth Kara: https://www.amazon.com/Cobalt-Red-Blood-Congo-Powers-ebook/dp/B09Y462D6Z
Interview recording Date: December 11, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Dec 11, 2023 • 49min
The Global Exchange: The Future of War
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Julian Lindley-French and Lord David Richards about their recent Wilton Park report, The Future War: Strategy and Technology. You can find this report here: https://www.wiltonpark.org.uk/event/future-war-strategy-and-technology-conference/
Participants' bios
- Julian Lindley-French is a CGAI Fellow, Chair of the Alphen Group and director of the Wilton Park the Future of War conferences
- Lord David Richards is a member of the House of Lords and a former General and Chief of the United Kingdom’s Defence Staff. He is president of the Wilton Park the Future of War conferences.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Politics On the Edge", by Rory Stewart: https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Edge-host-podcast-Rest-ebook/dp/B0BXGNMXFK
- "Major and Mrs. Holt's Battlefield Guide to the Somme", by Tonie and Valmal Holt: https://www.amazon.com/MAJOR-HOLTS-BATTLEFIELD-GUIDE-SOMME/dp/0850524148
- "The Savage Storm: The Battle for Italy 1943", by James Holland: https://www.amazon.ca/Savage-Storm-Battle-Italy-1943/dp/080216160X
- "Blott on the Landscape", by Tom Sharpe: https://www.amazon.ca/Blott-Landscape-Tom-Sharpe/dp/0099435470
- "A World Restored: Metternich, Castlereagh and the Problems of Peace, 1812-22", by Henry Kissinger: https://www.amazon.ca/World-Restored-Metternich-Castlereagh-Problems/dp/1626549788
Recording Date: December 4, 2023.
Give 'The Global Exchange' a review on Apple Podcasts!
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Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Dec 8, 2023 • 31min
Defence Deconstructed: Wargaming for Interoperability
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Colonel Christopher Horner about the work of the Canadian Joint Warfare Centre.
This episode is the first one as part of our MINDS Collaborative Network, Triple Helix, which looks into the adoption and integration of emerging technologies in the Canadian Armed Forces. Learn more about our work here: https://www.cgai.ca/triple_helix
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Guest biography
Colonel Horner is the Commanding Officer of the Canadian Joint Warfare Centre.
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
What Col Horner is reading:
On Killing Remotely by LCol Wayne Phelps – https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/lieutenant-colonel-wayne-phelps-usmc-ret/on-killing-remotely/9780316628273/?lens=little-brown
Recording Date: 30 Nov 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Dec 7, 2023 • 45min
Energy Security Cubed: A Conversation on Energy Geopolitics with Daniel Yergin
Energy geopolitics expert and author Daniel Yergin discusses the post-Ukraine global energy order and lessons from his book. Hosts chat about COP28 and UAE's role. Guest explores energy geopolitics, historical context, impact of sanctions on Russian oil, and reading preferences including history books and thrillers.

Dec 4, 2023 • 45min
The Global Exchange: Reflections on the Indo-Pacific Strategy One Year On
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Goldy Hyder and Jeff Nankivell to discuss the status of Canada's Indo Pacific Strategy one year on.
Participants' bios
- Goldy Hyder is the President and CEO of the Business Council of Canada
- Jeff Nankivell is the President and CEO of the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Flashman: A Novel", by George MacDonald Fraser: https://www.amazon.ca/Flashman-Novel-George-MacDonald-Fraser/dp/0452259614
- "For All Mankind", https://tv.apple.com/ca/show/for-all-mankind/umc.cmc.6wsi780sz5tdbqcf11k76mkp7
Recording Date: December 1, 2023.
Give 'The Global Exchange' a review on Apple Podcasts!
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs) and Linkedin.
Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.