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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
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Mar 8, 2024 • 1h 23min
Defence Deconstructed: Australian Shipbuilding & Including Indigenous Businesses in Procurement
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Jennifer Parker about the latest development in Australia's ship acquisition plans.
Then, Philippe Lagassé speaks to Judith Bennet, Mark Brown, Philippe Ducharme, and Clinton Lawrence-Whyte about how to meaningfully bring indigenous businesses into the defence procurement fold. This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and the DND/CAF Ombudsman.
Guests Bios:
Jennifer Parker is an Adjunct Fellow in Naval Studies at UNSW Canberra and an Expert Associate at the National Security College, Australian National University. https://www.unsw.edu.au/staff/jennifer-parker
Judith Bennett is the Director General Materiel Systems and Supply Chains at the Department of National Defence.
Mark Brown is COO of the PFN Group of Companies and President of Pro Metal Industries.
Philip Ducharme is the Vice President Entrepreneurship and Procurement at the Canadian Council of Aboriginal Businesses.
Clinton Lawrence-Whyte is Director General Procurement Assistance at Public Services and Procurement Canada.
Hosts bios
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Dr. Philippe Lagassé is Associate Director of the PhD Program at the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs and a CGAI Fellow. https://carleton.ca/npsia/people/philippe-lagasse/
Recording Date: 122 Feb2024 and 29 Nov 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Mar 7, 2024 • 44min
Energy Security Cubed: The Economic Basis of Canadian Oil with Kent Fellows
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Joe Calnan interviews Kent Fellows about his takeaways from the CGAI Energy Analyst Summit, and the economics of Canadian oil production.
You can find Kent's paper on the economics of the oil sands here: https://www.cdhowe.org/public-policy-research/last-barrel-standing-confronting-myth-high-cost-canadian-oil-sands
The CGAI 2024 Calgary Energy Analyst Summit was made possible with the support of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers, Bennett Jones LLP, and the Pathways Alliance: https://www.cgai.ca/2024_calgary_energy_analyst_summit_how_much_should_canada_worry_about_declining_crude_oil_demand
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the OPEC+ oil production cuts overhanging the market and the softening of US clean energy regulations in advance of the election in November.
Guest Bio:
- Kent Fellows is an Economist and director of the Master of Public Policy Program at The School of Public Policy, as well as Fellow-in-Residence at the C.D. Howe Institute
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Capital in the Twenty-First Century", by Thomas Piketty: https://www.amazon.ca/Capital-Twenty-First-Century-Thomas-Piketty/dp/0674979850
- "Dune", by Frank Herbert: https://www.amazon.ca/Complete-Messiah-Children-Heretics-Chapterhouse/dp/B07WDM3D5T
Interview recording Date: March 6, 2024
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Mar 4, 2024 • 55min
The Global Exchange: The State of NATO at 75 Years
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Kerry Buck, Ivo Daalder and Rich Hooker to discuss NATO's role as we approach 75 years of the alliance's existence, and the prospect of its future with the addition of Sweden and the threat of American withdrawal.
Participants' bios
Kerry, Ivo, and Rich are all members of the Alphen Group that focuses on trans-Atlantic security.
- CGAI Fellow Kerry Buck served as Canada’s ambassador to NATO and prior to that as Political Director.
- Ivo Daalder served as US ambassador to NATO. President of the Chicago Global Affairs Council he hosts their weekly podcast ‘World Review’.
- Rich Hooker is a Fellow at the Atlantic Council after a distinguished career in the US Army with later service in the National Security Council.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the Twenty-first Century's Greatest Dilemma", by Mustafa Suleyman: https://www.amazon.ca/Coming-Wave-Technology-Twenty-first-Centurys/dp/0593593952
- "The Hollow Crown: Shakespeare on How Leaders Rise, Rule, and Fall", by Eliot A. Cohen: https://www.amazon.ca/Hollow-Crown-Shakespeare-Leaders-Rise/dp/1541644867
- "The Ashes of London", by Andrew Taylor: https://www.amazon.ca/Ashes-London-Andrew-Taylor/dp/0008119090
- "A Life in the American Century", by Joseph S. Nye Jr.: https://www.amazon.ca/Life-American-Century-Joseph-Nye/dp/1509560688
- Commissario Brunetti Series, by Donna Leon: https://www.goodreads.com/series/50419-commissario-brunetti
Recording Date: February 28, 2024.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Mar 1, 2024 • 1h 21min
Defence Deconstructed: What it will take for Ukraine’s victory
ON this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to LGen (ret'd) D. Michael Day about two years of full scale invasion of Ukraine and the path forward. Then, Jill Sinclair speaks to Peter MacKay, MGen Greg Smith, and Andriy Zagorodniuk about the efforts necessary to bring Ukraine to victory.
The second part of this episode is recording is from a roundtable that took place in Ottawa, and was made in partnership with the Ukrainian Embassy to Canada. This event was also made possible thanks to Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, Cenovus, and the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.
This event is part of a series funded by the Department of National Defence’s MINDS program. Please note that the opinions expressed here do not necessarily represent those of the government of Canada, the Department of National Defence, and the MINDS Program.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guest Bios
LGen (ret'd) D. Michael Day is a CGAI Fellow.
Peter MacKay is former Minister of National Defence.
MGen Greg Smith is the Director General, International Security at the Department of National Defence.
Andriy Zagorodniuk is a former Ukrainian Minister of Defence and the founder of the Centre for Defence Strategies.
Host Bio:
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Jill Sinclair is Canada's representative to the Ukraine Defence Reform Advisory Board
Recording Date: 23 & 26 Feb 2024
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Feb 29, 2024 • 46min
Energy Security Cubed: Recovery from Critical Infrastructure Cyberattacks with Rob Sealock
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Rob Sealock about the vulnerabilities of energy infrastructure to cyberattacks.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the unforeseen consequences of changes to the Investment Canada Act and the prospect of natural gas fired power generation in China.
Guest Bio:
- Rob Sealock is a member of Enbridge's cyber team and a Signals Officer in the Canadian Armed Forces Reserves.
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers", by Andy Greenberg: https://www.amazon.ca/Sandworm-Cyberwar-Kremlins-Dangerous-Hackers/dp/0385544405
- "Software Transparency: Supply Chain Security in an Era of a Software-Driven Society", by Chris Hughes and Tony Turner: https://www.amazon.ca/Software-Transparency-Security-Software-Driven-Society/dp/1394158483
- "Industrial Network Security: Securing Critical Infrastructure Networks for Smart Grid, Scada, and Other Industrial Control Systems", by Eric D. Knapp: https://www.amazon.ca/Industrial-Network-Security-Securing-Infrastructure-dp-0443137374/dp/0443137374
Interview recording Date: February 28, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Feb 26, 2024 • 54min
The Global Exchange: Putin, Navalny, and Two Years of War in Ukraine
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Jeremy Kinsman, Ralph Lysyshyn and John Sloan to discuss the two year anniversary in Ukraine, andRussian President Vladimir Putin's role in the death of Russian reformer Alexei Navalny.
You can find Jeremy Kinsman's recent articles in Policy Magazine here:
https://www.policymagazine.ca/navalny-is-now-immortal-and-putin-has-never-been-weaker/
https://www.policymagazine.ca/foreign-policy-and-the-next-election/
Participants' bios
Jeremy, Ralph, and John all served at some point as Canadian Ambassadors to Russia.
- Jeremy Kinsman also served as our Political Director and as High Commissioner to the United Kingdom and as our Ambassador to the European Union and Italy amongst other assignments.
- Ralph Lysyshyn also served as our ambassador to Poland, Belarus, Uzbekistan and Armenia.
- John Sloan also served as our ambassador to Armenia and Uzbekistan and his other assignments included a particular focus on finance and economics.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Age of Scandal: An Excursion Through a Minor Period", by T. H. White: https://www.amazon.ca/Age-Scandal-Excursion-Through-Period/dp/0192819488
- "Klondike: The Last Great Gold Rush, 1896-1899", by Pierre Burton: https://www.amazon.ca/Klondike-Last-Great-Gold-1896-1899/dp/0385658443
- "Borderland: A Journey Through the History of Ukraine", by Anna Reid: https://www.amazon.ca/Borderland-Journey-Through-History-Ukraine/dp/0465055893
- "Enter Ghost", by Isabella Hammad: https://www.amazon.ca/Enter-Ghost-Isabella-Hammad/dp/080216238X
- "The Russia House", by John le Carre: https://www.amazon.com/Russia-House-Novel-John-Carre/dp/0743464664
Recording Date: February 23, 2024.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Feb 23, 2024 • 1h 12min
Defence Deconstructed: Two Years of War
On this episode, we are taking stock of two years following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. First, Her Excellency Yuliia Kovaliv offer remarks about the war and where Ukraine stands. Then, David Perry talks to Mike Day, Balkan Devlen, Alyona Getmanchuk, Adam Taylor, and Andrew Rasiulis about where the rest of the world sits on February 24, 2024.
you’ll hear the recording from our roundtable marking the two years of the war against Ukraine.
This recording is from a roundtable that took place in Ottawa, and was made in partnership with the Ukrainian Embassy to Canada. This event was also made possible thanks to Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, Cenovus, and the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.
This event is part of a series funded by the Department of National Defence’s MINDS program. Please note that the opinions expressed here do not necessarily represent those of the government of Canada, the Department of National Defence, and the MINDS Program.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Participants' bio:
H.E. Yuliia Kovaliv is Ukraine's Ambassador to Canada – https://canada.mfa.gov.ua/en/governance/yuliya-kovaliv#:~:text=Yuliya%20Kovaliv%20was%20appointed%20Ukraine%27s,administration%20and%20Ukraine%27s%20investment%20promotion.
D. Michael Day is a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/d_michael_day
Dr. Balkan Devlen is Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute – https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/cm-expert/balkan-devlen/
Adam Taylor is a Partner NorthStar Public Affairs – https://northstarpa.ca/person/adam
Andrew Rasilius is a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/andrew_rasiulis
Host Bio:
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 23 Feb 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Feb 22, 2024 • 41min
Energy Security Cubed: The Impact of Renewables on Canadian Energy Security with Vittoria Bellissimo
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Joe Calnan interviews Vittoria Bellissimo about the impact of renewables on energy security, and how they can be optimized for Canada's energy systems.
For the intro segment, Kelly and Joe discuss the IEA's mandate, 50 years after its establishment.
Guest Bio:
- Vittoria Bellissimo is the President and CEO of the Canadian Renewable Energy Association
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "21 Things You May Not Know About the Indian Act: Helping Canadians Make Reconciliation with Indigenous Peoples a Reality", by Bob Joseph: https://www.amazon.ca/Things-Know-About-Indian-Reconciliation/dp/0995266522
- "Elements of Indigenous Style: A Guide for Writing By and About Indigenous Peoples", by Gregory Younging: https://www.amazon.ca/Elements-Indigenous-Style-Writing-Peoples/dp/1550597167
Interview recording Date: February 8, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Feb 19, 2024 • 58min
The Global Exchange: Canadian Diplomatic Pioneers in Southeast Asia
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Phil Calvert, Nick Etheridge, and Helen Lansdowne to discuss their recent book, "Supervising a Peace that Never Was" Recollections of Canadian Diplomatic Personnel in Indochina, 1954-1973": https://www.uvic.ca/research/centres/capi/assets/docs/books/supervising-a-peace-that-never-was.pdf.
You can find a short paper on the book on CGAI;s website: https://www.cgai.ca/international_control_commissions_canadian_diplomatic_pioneers_in_southeast_asia
And a review of the book by Colin in Policy Magazine: https://www.policymagazine.ca/the-quiet-canadians-stories-from-two-decades-of-diplomacy-in-indochina/
Participants' bios
- Phil Calvert is a CGAI Fellow and former Canadian ambassador to Thailand.
- Nick Etheridge served with the International Control Supervisory Commission in both Hanoi and Saigon and later as Canada’s representative to Cambodia and as High Commissioner to Bangladesh
- Helen Lansdowne is the Associate Director of the Centre for Asia-Pacific Initiatives (CAPI) at the University of Victoria
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Kennen: A Life between Worlds", by Frank Costigliola: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691165400/kennan
- "News from Lake Wobegon", by Garrison Keillor: https://www.amazon.com/News-Lake-Wobegon-Garrison-Keillor/dp/1665172533
- "Living with Oil and Coal: Resource Politics and Militarization in Northeast India", by Dolly Kikon: https://uwapress.uw.edu/book/9780295743950/living-with-oil-and-coal/
- "Extraordinary Attorney Woo": https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20869502/
Recording Date: January 31, 2023.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Feb 16, 2024 • 44min
Defence Deconstructed: Building for NORAD Modernization
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Scott Stevenson speaks to Karl McQuillam, Neil O'Rourke, and Jason Robbins about the necessary infrastructure projects to advance NORAD Modernization.
this episode is a recording from our latest NORAD Modernization Conference, which took place on October 18, 2023 in Ottawa. This event was made possible thanks to the support of CGAI’s Strategic Sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics Canada, Irving Shipbuilding and Hanwha Defence; our Gold Sponsor Raytheon Technologies; our Silver Sponsors AECOM, Amazon Web Services, and Canadian Nuclear Laboratories.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guest bios
Karl McQuillam is Vice President of Operations at Defence Construction Canada.
Neil O'Rourke is Director General, Integrated Technical Services with the Canadian Coast Guard
Jason Robbins is Principal Architect for Defence and Federal Projects at AECOM.
Host bio
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Scott Stevenson is a senior mentor with the National Security Program at the Canadian Forces College.
Recording Date: 18 Oct 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips