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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Episodes
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Feb 8, 2024 • 45min
Energy Security Cubed: The Dominance of the Virtual Barrel over the Oil Market with Ilia Bouchouev
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Ilia Bouchouev about the leading role of futures trading in the oil market, and what it means for energy security. He is also the author of a recently released book on the topic, "Virtual Barrels: Quantitative Trading in the Oil Market", which you can find here: https://www.amazon.ca/Virtual-Barrels-Quantitative-Trading-Market/dp/3031361504
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan provide an update on the Nord Stream pipeline issue and the role of Brazil's PetroBras in global oil.
Guest Bio:
- Dr. Ilia Bouchouev is the former President of Koch Global Partners and an adjunct Professor at New York University
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Machine Learning: An Applied Mathematics Introduction", by Paul Wilmott: https://www.amazon.ca/Machine-Learning-Applied-Mathematics-Introduction/dp/1916081606
- "The Wisdom of Crowds", by James Surowiecki: https://www.amazon.ca/Wisdom-Crowds-James-Surowiecki/dp/0385721706
Interview recording Date: February 5, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Feb 5, 2024 • 59min
The Global Exchange: Asia After the Taiwanese Election
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by John Gruetzner, Vina Nadjibulla, Stephen Nagy, and Hugh Stephens to discuss the Taiwanese election and its implications for Asia.
Participants' bios
- John Gruetzner worked in the private sector living in China and Asia for most of his career. He is also the co-founder of Intercedent
- Vina Nadjibulla is Vice-President, Research & Strategy, Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada and an Adjunct Professor at the School of Public Policy and Global Affairs at the University of British Columbia
- Stephen Nagy is a senior associate professor at the International Christian University, Tokyo.
- Hugh Stephens is a former diplomat and Vice Chair of the Canadian Committee on Pacific Economic Cooperation, Distinguished Fellow at the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada, and Executive Fellow at the School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Rise and Fall of the EAST: How Exams, Autocracy, Stability, and Technology Brought China Success, and Why They Might Lead to Its Decline", by Yasheng Huang Ph.D.: https://www.amazon.ca/Rise-Fall-EAST-Autocracy-Technology/dp/0300266367
- "The Wayfinders: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in the Modern World", by Wade Davis: https://www.amazon.com/Wayfinders-Ancient-Wisdom-Matters-Lecture/dp/0887847668
- "Why Bharat MAtters", by Subrahmanyam Jaishankar: https://www.amazon.ca/Bharat-Matters-S-Jaishankar/dp/9357027602
- "Translating China", CSIS: https://www.csis.org/programs/freeman-chair-china-studies/translating-china
- "Reading the China Dream", by David Ownby: https://www.readingthechinadream.com/
Recording Date: January 22, 2023.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Feb 2, 2024 • 1h 14min
Defence Deconstructed: Threats to North America & Strategic Considerations for NORAD Modernization
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Brigadier-General Hawthorne provides a scene setter of the threats to North America. Then, Peter Bates speaks to Doug Berenson, Jim Ferguson, and Tom Karako about the strategic considerations for NORAD modernization.
This episode is a recording from our latest NORAD Modernization Conference, which took place on October 18, 2023 in Ottawa. This event was made possible thanks to the support of CGAI’s Strategic Sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics Canada, Irving Shipbuilding and Hanwha Defence; our Gold Sponsor Raytheon Technologies; our Silver Sponsors AECOM, Amazon Web Services, and Canadian Nuclear Laboratories.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guests bios:
BGen Hawthorne is Deputy Director Strategy, Policy and Plans for NORAD-USNORTHCOM.
Doug Berenson is Managing Director at Oliver Wyman Aerospace & Defense – https://www.oliverwyman.com/our-culture/our-people/doug-berenson.html
Jim Ferguson is a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/james_fergusson
Tom Karako is a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies – https://www.csis.org/people/tom-karako
Host bio
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Peter Bates is a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/peter_g_bates
Recording Date: 18 Oct 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Feb 1, 2024 • 51min
Energy Security Cubed: Saudi Arabia's Role Amid Conflict in the Middle East, with Ellen Wald
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Ellen Wald about the role played by Saudi Arabia amid the conflict between the United States, Israel, Iran, and the Houthis.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan talk about the real world impacts of the Red Sea violence on oil prices and the Biden Administration's decision to pause approvals for LNG export facilities.
Guest Bio:
- Ellen Wald is a CGAI Fellow and the author of Saudi Inc., a history of Saudi Aramco: https://www.amazon.ca/Saudi-Inc-Arabian-Kingdoms-Pursuit/dp/168177660X
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Steam Train, Dream Train", by Sherri Duskey Rinker and Tom Lichtenheld: https://www.amazon.ca/Steam-Train-Sherri-Duskey-Rinker/dp/1452109206
- "You Have a Friend in 10A", by Maggie Shipstead: https://www.amazon.ca/You-Have-Friend-10A-Stories/dp/0525656995
- "Wind Power Economics: Rhetoric & Reality", by Gordon Hughes: https://ref.org.uk/Files/performance-wind-power-dk.pdf
Interview recording Date: January 30, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 29, 2024 • 1h 2min
The Global Exchange: The Mood of Americans during the 2024 American Primaries
for this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson moderates a panel of prominent experts on Canada-U.S. relations on the mood of Americans during the 2024 Presidential Primaries, and what it could mean for Canada's relationship with the United States.
Participants' bios
- Bruce Stokes is a visiting senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund, and senior editor of the 2022 Transatlantic Trends Surve
- David MacNaughton is the Canadian President of Palantir Technologies, a data analytics and software firm based in Denver, Colorado. Prior to this appointment, he was Canada’s 24th Ambassador to the United States for three and a half years.
- Gary Doer was the 23rd Canadian Ambassador to the United States and former Premier of Manitoba.
- Louise Blais is a senior special advisor to the Business Council of Canada. Louise was Canada’s Ambassador and Deputy Permanent Representative to the United Nations in New York from 2017-2021.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Honourable John Norquay: Indigenous Premier, Canadian Statesman", by Gerald Friesen: https://www.amazon.ca/Honourable-John-Norquay-Indigenous-Statesman/dp/1772840580
- "Conflict: The Evolution of Warfare from 1945 to Ukraine", by David H. Petraeus: https://www.amazon.ca/Conflict-Evolution-Warfare-1945-Ukraine-ebook/dp/B0BSFRDD7F
- "Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity, and Poverty", by Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson: https://www.amazon.ca/Why-Nations-Fail-Origins-Prosperity/dp/0307719227
- "Before 1776: Life in the American Colonies", from The Great Courses: https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/before-1776-life-in-the-american-colonies
Recording Date: January 25, 2023.

Jan 26, 2024 • 1h 28min
Defence Deconstructed: Taking Stock of WMD Proliferation & The NATO Defence Procurement Action Plan
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Michael Manulak and Brian Finlay about the current state of WMD proliferation and Canada’s role in countering increasing stockpiles.
Then, you’ll hear a discussion between Darren Hawco, Cynthia Cook, Troy Crosby, Wendy Gilmour, and Nicolas Todd about the NATO Defence Action Plan and the implications for Canada. This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.
Guests biographies
Michael Manulak is an Associate Professor at the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs and a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/michael_manulak
Brian Finlay is the President and Chief Executive Officer of the Stimson Center – https://www.stimson.org/ppl/brian-finlay/
Cynthia Cook is director of the Defense-Industrial Initiatives Group and a senior fellow in the International Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies – https://www.csis.org/people/cynthia-cook
Troy Crosby is ADM (Materiel) at the Department of National Defence – https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/organizational-structure/assistant-deputy-minister-materiel/biography.html
Wendy Gilmour was NATO Assistant Secretary General for Defence Investment from November 2022 and January 2024 – https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/who_is_who_208720.htm
Nicolas Todd is CADSI’s Vice President, Policy, Communications and Government Relations – https://www.defenceandsecurity.ca/cms4/Executive-Team
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
VAdm (ret’d) Darren Hawco is Executive Advisor at Deloitte and a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/darren_hawco
What Michael and Brian are reading
Prisoners of the Castle by Ben MacIntyre – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/612488/prisoners-of-the-castle-by-ben-macintyre/9780771001970
Peacemaking 1919 by Harold Nicholson – https://www.amazon.com/Peacemaking-1919-Being-Reminiscences-Conference/dp/193154154X
Recording Date: 12 Jan 2024 and 29 Nov 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Jan 25, 2024 • 1h 8min
Energy Security Cubed: West Meets East Part 4 - Building Out the Grid
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Jacquie Hoornweg continue the West Meets East series with a conversation on preparing Ontario's electricity grid for energy transition alongside extreme weather.
For the intro section, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss events in global energy security, including Ukraine's strikes on Russia's Ust-Lunga port, and the prospects for Argentina's YPF under Milei.
Guest Bio:
- Jacquie Hoornweg is a CGAI Fellow and a Professor at Ontario Tech University
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and the Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Book recommendations:
- "Rebirth: A Political History Of Europe Since World War II", by Cyril Black: https://www.amazon.ca/Rebirth-Political-History-Europe-Since/dp/0813336643
- "The Armor of Light", by Ken Follett: https://www.amazon.ca/Armor-Light-Novel-Ken-Follett/dp/0525954996
Interview recording Date: January 18, 2024
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 22, 2024 • 1h 2min
The Global Exchange: Canada's Strategic Leverage on Food and Energy
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Ted Bilyea Doug Hedley and Al Mussel to discuss the role of Canadian agriculture and energy on global food security.
Participants' bios
- Ted Bilyea is a Distinguished Fellow of CAPI, and a member of the Canadian Agricultural Hall of Fame.
- Doug Hedley had a long career as a senior executive in Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada and also member of the Canadian Agricultural Hall of Fame.
- Al Mussel is the Research Director at the Canadian Agri-Food Policy Institute.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- UN FAO Publications: https://www.fao.org/publications/home/fao-flagship-publications/en
- "Energy in Nature and Society: General Energetics of Complex Systems", by Vaclav Smil: https://www.amazon.ca/Energy-Nature-Society-General-Energetics/dp/0262693569
- "How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen", by David Brooks: https://www.amazon.ca/How-Know-Person-Seeing-Others/dp/059323006X
- "Agricultural Domestic Support Under the WTO: Experience and Prospects", by Lars Brink and David Orden: https://www.amazon.com/Agricultural-Domestic-Support-Under-International/dp/1316514056
- "Death Followed Us Home", by J.S. Rioux: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/204879849-death-followed-us-home
Recording Date: January 11, 2023.
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Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 19, 2024 • 1h 13min
Defence Deconstructed: Military Innovation & Procurement's Nexus with C4ISR
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, two segments.
First, David Perry speaks to Alexander Salt, Triple Helix's Post-Doctoral Fellow, about military innovation and what it means for the integration of advanced capabilities.
Then, you'll hear a panel conversation between Microsoft's Derek Dobson, RAdm Lou Carosielli, MGen Peter Dawe, and Christopher Zimmer about the defence procurement nexus with C4ISR.
This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.
Guests biographies
Alex Salt is Triple Helix's Post-Doctoral Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/triple_helix_our_team
RAdm Lou Carosielli is Chief of Staff for Assistant Deputy Minister (Information Management).
MGen Peter Dawe is the Canadian Armed Forces’ Chief of Combat Systems Integration
MGen Christopher Zimmer is Chief of Staff of the Department of National Defence's Digital Transformation Office.
Hosts bios
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Derek Dobson is the leader of Microsoft Canada's Defence, Intelligence, Public Safety & Justice businesses.
What Alex Salt is reading:
Command: The Twenty First Century General by Anthony King – https://www.amazon.com/Command-Twenty-First-Century-General-Anthony-King/dp/1108476406
Recording Date: 18 Jan 2024 and 29 Nov 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Jan 18, 2024 • 46min
Energy Security Cubed: A Dangerous Winter for the Electrical Grid with Kathryn Porter
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Kathryn Porter about the impact of the polar vortex on Alberta's electrical grid and growing energy nationalism in Europe.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan talk about the Trans Mountain pipeline and moves by Chinese companies to gain more control over the cobalt market.
Guest Bio:
- Kathryn Porter is an energy consultant and founder of Watt-Logic: https://watt-logic.com/
Host Bio:
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "The Prince of Nothing", by R. Scott Bakker: https://www.amazon.com/The-Prince-of-Nothing-3-book-series/dp/B0749XZ9DM
Interview recording Date: January 17, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.