
The CGAI Podcast Network
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Latest episodes

Apr 18, 2024 • 42min
Energy Security Cubed: How Shipping is Adapting to the Houthis with Jakob Larsen
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Jakob Larsen about the ongoing crisis in the Red Sea and how shipping companies are adapting to Houthi attacks.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the recent missile and drone attacks from Iran targeting Israel and the prospect of the United States reimposing sanctions on Venezuelan energy.
Guest Bio:
- Jakob Larsen is the Head of Maritime Safety & Security at BIMCO
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "One Dollar Man", by Ole Sønnichsen: https://www.susannalea.com/sla-title/one-dollar-man/
Interview recording Date: April 11, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Apr 15, 2024 • 53min
The Global Exchange: The Implications of the Responsibility to Protect
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with the Hon. Lloyd Axworthy and Hon. Allan Rock about the Responsibility to Protect populations from genocide, and the successes and failures of this aspiration.
Participants' bios
- Allan Rock is President Emeritus of the University of Ottawa, and a former Professor in its Faculty of Law, where he taught International Humanitarian Law and Armed Conflict in International Law. He previously served as a member of Parliament holding various cabinet positions including Minister of Justice and Attorney General. He served as our Ambassador to the UN when R2P was adopted.
- Lloyd Axworthy is a former president of the University of Winnipeg and Director and CEO of the Liu Institute for Global Issues at the University of British Columbia. A member of the Manitoba legislature and then member of parliament he held various cabinet portfolios including Foreign Affairs. He was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to secure the Land Mines Treaty.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder", by David Grann: https://www.amazon.ca/Wager-Tale-Shipwreck-Mutiny-Murder/dp/0385534264
- "The Searcher", by Rana French: https://www.amazon.ca/Searcher-Novel-Tana-French/dp/073522465X
- "The Company: The Rise and Fall of the Hudson's Bay Empire", by Stephen Bown: https://www.amazon.ca/Company-Rise-Fall-Hudsons-Empire/dp/0385694075
- "Reading Genesis", by Marilynne Robinson: https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Genesis-Marilynne-Robinson/dp/0374299404
Recording Date: April 10, 2024.

Apr 12, 2024 • 2h 9min
Defence Deconstructed: Reviewing the Defence Policy Review
This week's Defence Deconstructed is all about Our North, Strong and Free, Canada's defence policy update.
First, Dave Perry and Nicolas Todd discuss the relevant aspects of the policy to the defence industry, with a focus on the budget and procurement projects outlined in the document. This is the recording of a webinar co-organized with CADSI. To access the slides, go to: https://assets.nationbuilder.com/cdfai/pages/5568/attachments/original/1712957147/Canadas_Updated_Defence_Policy—Industry_Reactions.pdf?1712957147
Then, Dave Perry is joined by RAdm (ret'd) Jeff Hamilton, Dr. Rob Huebert, Dr. Philippe Lagassé, and Charlotte Duval-Lantoine to deconstruct the various aspects of the policy.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guest bios:
Nicolas Todd is Vice President Policy, Communications and Government Relations at CADSI. https://www.defenceandsecurity.ca/cms4/Executive-Team
Jeff Hamilton is a retired Rear-Admiral and the senior advisor, defence and security at EY. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-hamilton-m-s-m-and-bar-c-d-radm-ret%E2%80%99d-7b8a762b
Rob Huebert is a Professor at the University of Calgary and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. https://www.cgai.ca/rob_huebert
Philippe Lagassé is Associate Professor at Carleton University's Norman Paterson School of International Affairs and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. https://www.cgai.ca/Philippe_Lagasse
Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is a Fellow and the Ottawa Operations Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. https://www.cgai.ca/charlotte_duval_lantoine
Host bio
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 12 Apr 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Apr 11, 2024 • 35min
Energy Security Cubed: Looking to the Future with Propane with Shannon Watt
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Shannon Watt about the future of propane in the Arctic, in renewable forms, and globally.
You can find the paper mentioned in the podcast here: https://propane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Decarbonization-pathway_FINAL.pdf
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss a shifting situation for heavy crude oil in North America and progress on green hydrogen in Newfoundland.
Guest Bio:
- Shannon Watt is the President and CEO of the Canadian Propane Association
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity", by Peter Attia: https://www.amazon.ca/Outlive-Longevity-Peter-Attia-MD/dp/0593236599
Interview recording Date: April 4, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Apr 8, 2024 • 44min
The Global Exchange: Reflections on A Life in the American Century with Joe Nye
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Joe Nye about his recent memoir, "A Life in the American Century". You can find his book here: https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=a-life-in-the-american-century--9781509560684
Participants' bios
- Joseph S. Nye Jr. is a Distinguished Service Professor, Emeritus and former Dean of the Harvard's Kennedy School of Government and Distinguished Visiting Fello of the Hoover Institute at Stanford University.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Chip War: The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology", by Chris Miller: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Chip-War/Chris-Miller/9781982172008
Recording Date: March 13, 2024.

Apr 5, 2024 • 1h 31min
Defence Deconstructed – NORAD Modernization: From Sensors to Infrastructure
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, we're offering you a two-parter on NORAD Modernization.
First, Charlotte Duval-Lantoine speaks to David Hazen, Mike Holl, and (now retired) Colonel Peter Saunders about sensors and radar projects.
Second, Rob Chambers provide an outline of ADM (IE)'s work on NORAD modernization-related infrastructure projects.
SAVE THE DATE: CGAI will be hosting 2 North American defence conference this Spring, one focusing on emerging technologies; the other exploring the infrastructure aspects of NORAD modernization.
this episode is a recording from our latest NORAD Modernization Conference, which took place on October 18, 2023 in Ottawa. This event was made possible thanks to the support of CGAI’s Strategic Sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics Canada, Irving Shipbuilding and Hanwha Defence; our Gold Sponsor Raytheon Technologies; our Silver Sponsors AECOM, Amazon Web Services, and Canadian Nuclear Laboratories.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Rob Chambers
David Hazen is Head, Technology Demonstration at the Department of National Defence
Mike Holl is Director, Domain Awareness, Requirement and Capabilities at Raytheon.
Pete Saunders is Director General, NORAD Continental Defence Modernization Office at the Department of National Defence.
Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is the Ottawa Operations Manager and Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Host bio
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 18 Oct 2023
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Apr 4, 2024 • 50min
Energy Security Cubed: NATO's Perspective on Energy Security with Can Ögütcü
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Joe Calnan interview Can Ögütcü about how NATO sees energy security in Europe and globally, and the potential role for Canada.
You can find the webinar from the Institute for Peace and Diplomacy featuring Can and Joe here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAp8LrG7Lks
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the upcoming month in oil and the threat of Chinese solar "excess capacity".
Guest Bio:
- Can is a NATO Energy Security Policy Expert at Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe.
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
Find Bruegel reports on energy here: https://www.bruegel.org/keyword/energy
Interview recording Date: March 28, 2024
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Apr 1, 2024 • 59min
The Global Exchange: Canadian Political and Trade Implications of the 2024 Election
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson moderates a panel of prominent experts on Canada-U.S. relations on the expected political and trade impacts of the 2024 US Presidential Election.
Participants' bios
- Bruce Stokes is a visiting senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund, and senior editor of the 2022 Transatlantic Trends Surve
- Perrin Beatty is President and CEO of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce. He previously served as our Foreign and Defence minister, as president of the CBC and as CEO of the Canadians Manufacturers and Exporters .
- Laura Dawson is Executive Director of the US-Canada Future Borders Coalition. Amongst other positions she served as Director of the Wilson Center’s Canada Institute.
- Frank McKenna is Deputy Chair of TD Securities. He previously served as Canadian ambassador to the USA and as premier of New Brunswick.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Adversary", by Michael Crummey: https://www.amazon.ca/Adversary-Novel-Michael-Crummey/dp/0385685440
- "When the World Closed Its Doors: The Covid-19 Tragedy and the Future of Borders", by Edward Alden and Laurie Trautman: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/when-the-world-closed-its-doors-9780197697818?cc=ca&lang=en&
- "Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the Present", by Fareed Zakaria: https://www.amazon.com/Age-Revolutions-Progress-Backlash-Present/dp/0393239233
- "The New Look", Apple TV: https://www.apple.com/tv-pr/originals/the-new-look/
Recording Date: March 28, 2024.

Mar 29, 2024 • 44min
Defence Deconstructed: What It Takes to Get to 2%
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Tyler Meredith about federal budgets, defence spending, and considerations to get Canada to 2 per cent of defence spending.
This episode of Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and the DND/CAF Ombudsman Office
What Tyler is Reading
The Next Age of Uncertainty by Stephen Poloz – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/696629/the-next-age-of-uncertainty-by-stephen-poloz/9780735243927
Guest Bio
Tyler Meredith is the co-founder of Meredith & Boessenskool and a Senior Fellow at the Munk School of Global Affairs –https://munkschool.utoronto.ca/person/tyler-meredith
Host bio
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 25 Mar 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Mar 28, 2024 • 55min
Energy Security Cubed: Carbon, Climate, and Canada at CERAWeek with Kevin Birn
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Kevin Birn about the takeaways from CERAWeek and what it could mean for Canada.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the Baltimore bridge disaster, an update on Operation Prosperity Guardian, and questions around Russian refining capacity.
Guest Bio:
- Kevin Birn is the Global Head, Center of Emissions Excellence and Chief Analyst Canadian Oil Markets, S&P Global Commodity Insights, as well as a Fellow at CGAI
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Elon Musk", by Walter Isaacson: https://www.amazon.ca/Elon-Musk-Walter-Isaacson/dp/1982181281
Interview recording Date: March 26, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.