
The CGAI Podcast Network
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Latest episodes

Mar 25, 2024 • 1h 5min
The Global Exchange: Lessons from the 10 Year Anniversary of Canada's Withdrawal from Afghanistan
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Bill Crosbie, Glenn Davidson and Denis Thompson to discuss lessons learned 10 years after Canada's withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the path forward for Canadian engagement in the region.
You can find the website for Aman Lara, as discussed in the podcast here: https://amanlara.com/
Participants' bios
- Bill Crosbie served as Canadian Ambassador to Afghanistan, amongst other diplomatic assignments, and has been active in efforts to support the Afghan people
- Glenn Davidson served as commander of Canada's Maritime Forces Atlantic, and as Canada's military representative to NATO. Following this he served as our ambassador to Syria before his assignment as our ambassador to Afghanistan
- Denis Thompson served in Cyprus, Germany, Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Egypt including command of NATO’s Task Force Kandahar, Canada’s Special Operations Forces, and the Multinational Force & Observers in the Sinai before his retirement with the rank of Major General
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Kim", by Rudyard Kipling: https://www.amazon.ca/Kim-Rudyard-Kipling/dp/190962182X
- "The Worlds I See: Curiosity, Exploration, and Discovery at the Dawn of AI", by Fei-Fei Li: https://www.amazon.ca/Worlds-See-Curiosity-Exploration-Discovery/dp/1250897939
- "The Great Game", by Peter Hopkirk: https://www.amazon.ca/Great-Game-Peter-Hopkirk/dp/0719564476
- "The Duel: Diefenbaker, Pearson and the Making of Modern Canada", by John Ibbitson: https://www.amazon.ca/Duel-Diefenbaker-Pearson-Making-Modern-ebook/dp/B0BZC4CL15
Recording Date: March 21, 2024.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Mar 22, 2024 • 1h 3min
Defence Deconstructed: Canadian Attitudes on Defence
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Frank Graves about Canadians attitudes toward defence, defence spending, and the defence industry.
This conversation is part of a webinar co-organized with and hosted by the Canadian Association of Defence and Security Industries (CADSI).
To access Frank’s slides, go to: https://www.defenceandsecurity.ca/UserFiles/Image/PAC/CADSIEKOSReport.pdf
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and the DND/CAF Ombudsman. Nominate someone for the Liz Hoffman Memorial Commendation: https://www.canada.ca/en/ombudsman-national-defence-forces/information-about-office/hoffman-memorial-commendation/nominations.html
Guest bios:
- Frank Graves is the founder of EKOS Research Associates and a CGAI Fellow – https://ekos.com/about-ekos/team/
- Mindy Pearce is Senior Policy Advisor at CADSI – https://www.defenceandsecurity.ca/cms4/Contact-Us
Host bio
- Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 20 Mar 2024
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Mar 21, 2024 • 50min
Energy Security Cubed: Another Decade of Canadian Oil Expansion with Tom Liles
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Joe Calnan interview Tom Liles about where we can expect major expansions of Canadian oil production in the coming years.
Tom was a presenter at the CGAI 2024 Calgary Energy Analyst Summit. Find his presentation here: https://www.cgai.ca/2024_calgary_energy_analyst_summit_how_much_should_canada_worry_about_declining_crude_oil_demand
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss stories from CERAWeek, and Canadian energy competitiveness.
Guest Bio:
- Tom Liles is Vice President of Upstream Research for Rystad Energy with a focus on global upstream oil and gas as well as Canadian heavy oil
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Oil Leaders: An Insider's Account of Four Decades of Saudi Arabia and Opec's Global Energy Policy", by Ibrahim Almuhanna: https://www.amazon.ca/Oil-Leaders-Insiders-Account-Decades/dp/0231189745
Interview recording Date: March 6, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Mar 18, 2024 • 57min
The Global Exchange: Reflections on Brian Mulroney's Foreign Policy
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Derek Burney and Fen Hampson to remember Brian Mulroney and his achievements in foreign policy while he was Prime Minister.
Participants' bios
- Derek Burney served in the Canadian Foreign Service with assignments including ambassador to Korea and the United States. He also served as Brian Mulroney’s Chief of Staff.
- Fen Hampson is Chancellor’s Professor at Carleton University and the author of Master of Persuasion: Brian Mulroney’s Global Legacy. You can find our previous conversation with Fen about this book here: https://www.cgai.ca/brian_mulroney_as_a_master_of_persuasion_a_discussion_with_fen_hampson
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- Books by Richard Wake: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Richard%20Wake/author/B07L44LKYN
- "Hero: The Life and Legend of Lawrence of Arabia", by Michael Korda: https://www.amazon.ca/Hero-Life-Legend-Lawrence-Arabia/dp/0061712620
Recording Date: March 5, 2024.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Mar 15, 2024 • 56min
Defence Deconstructed: Driving Defence Innovation & The NATO Support and Procurement Agency
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, a two parter.
In a Triple Helix edition of the podcast, David Perry speaks to Philippe Hébert about innovation in and for the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces.
Then, you'll hear Stacy Cummings' keynote to our 2023 annual procurement conference.This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.
This episode, which is made possible thanks to a Department of National Defence Collaborative Network Grant and a Targeted Engagement Grant.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and the DND/CAF Ombudsman.
Guest bios:
Philippe Hébert is the Director General Research and Development and Innovation at Defence Research and Development Canada. https://cdainstitute.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hebert-Bio-ENG.pdf
Stacy Cummings is the General Manager of the NATO Support and Procurement Agency – https://www.nato-pa.int/node/449728
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 20 Feb 2024 and 29 Nov 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Mar 14, 2024 • 55min
Energy Security Cubed: Scaling Canadian Clean Energy Investment with John Stackhouse
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview John Stackhouse about challenges and opportunities for scaling clean energy investment in Canada.
You can find the two recent reports from RBC's Climate Action Institute here:
https://www.rbc.com/climate-action-institute/climate-action-24/index.html
https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/canadas-energy-transformation-an-outlook-of-supply-and-demand-in-the-2030s/
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss renewed Ukrainian attacks on Russian refineries and planned updates to Alberta's electricity market design.
Guest Bio:
- John Stackhouse is Senior Vice-President in the Office of the CEO at the Royal Bank of Canada, and a leader of the RBC Climate Action Institute
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Elon Musk", by Walter Isaacson: https://www.amazon.ca/Elon-Musk-Walter-Isaacson/dp/1982181281
Interview recording Date: March 12, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Mar 11, 2024 • 52min
The Global Exchange: Revitalizing the World Trade Organization
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Bill Reinsch and John Weekes about the World Trade Organization, its recent ministerial, and the first steps to repairing the functionality of this crucial organization.
You can find Bill's paper on the latest WTO ministerial conference here: https://www.csis.org/analysis/fish-are-not-amused
Participants' bios
- Bill Reinsch holds the Scholl Chair in International Business at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
- CGAI Fellow John Weekes served as Canada’s ambassador to the WTO. John was also Canada’s Chief Negotiator of the NAFTA
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "A Hugh Corbett Medieval Mystery", by Paul Doherty: https://www.amazon.com/A-Hugh-Corbett-Medieval-Mystery-22-book-series/dp/B074CJDTT6
- "Revitalizing the World Trading System", by Alan Wolff: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/revitalizing-the-world-trading-system/67008A95BF0C64C4E085A4CC9B2F61EA
- "The Duel: Diefenbaker, Pearson and the Making of Modern Canada", by John Ibbitson: https://www.amazon.ca/Duel-Diefenbaker-Pearson-Making-Modern-ebook/dp/B0BZC4CL15
Recording Date: March 8, 2024.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Mar 8, 2024 • 1h 23min
Defence Deconstructed: Australian Shipbuilding & Including Indigenous Businesses in Procurement
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Jennifer Parker about the latest development in Australia's ship acquisition plans.
Then, Philippe Lagassé speaks to Judith Bennet, Mark Brown, Philippe Ducharme, and Clinton Lawrence-Whyte about how to meaningfully bring indigenous businesses into the defence procurement fold. This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and the DND/CAF Ombudsman.
Guests Bios:
Jennifer Parker is an Adjunct Fellow in Naval Studies at UNSW Canberra and an Expert Associate at the National Security College, Australian National University. https://www.unsw.edu.au/staff/jennifer-parker
Judith Bennett is the Director General Materiel Systems and Supply Chains at the Department of National Defence.
Mark Brown is COO of the PFN Group of Companies and President of Pro Metal Industries.
Philip Ducharme is the Vice President Entrepreneurship and Procurement at the Canadian Council of Aboriginal Businesses.
Clinton Lawrence-Whyte is Director General Procurement Assistance at Public Services and Procurement Canada.
Hosts bios
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Dr. Philippe Lagassé is Associate Director of the PhD Program at the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs and a CGAI Fellow. https://carleton.ca/npsia/people/philippe-lagasse/
Recording Date: 122 Feb2024 and 29 Nov 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Mar 7, 2024 • 44min
Energy Security Cubed: The Economic Basis of Canadian Oil with Kent Fellows
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Joe Calnan interviews Kent Fellows about his takeaways from the CGAI Energy Analyst Summit, and the economics of Canadian oil production.
You can find Kent's paper on the economics of the oil sands here: https://www.cdhowe.org/public-policy-research/last-barrel-standing-confronting-myth-high-cost-canadian-oil-sands
The CGAI 2024 Calgary Energy Analyst Summit was made possible with the support of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers, Bennett Jones LLP, and the Pathways Alliance: https://www.cgai.ca/2024_calgary_energy_analyst_summit_how_much_should_canada_worry_about_declining_crude_oil_demand
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the OPEC+ oil production cuts overhanging the market and the softening of US clean energy regulations in advance of the election in November.
Guest Bio:
- Kent Fellows is an Economist and director of the Master of Public Policy Program at The School of Public Policy, as well as Fellow-in-Residence at the C.D. Howe Institute
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Capital in the Twenty-First Century", by Thomas Piketty: https://www.amazon.ca/Capital-Twenty-First-Century-Thomas-Piketty/dp/0674979850
- "Dune", by Frank Herbert: https://www.amazon.ca/Complete-Messiah-Children-Heretics-Chapterhouse/dp/B07WDM3D5T
Interview recording Date: March 6, 2024
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Mar 4, 2024 • 55min
The Global Exchange: The State of NATO at 75 Years
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Kerry Buck, Ivo Daalder and Rich Hooker to discuss NATO's role as we approach 75 years of the alliance's existence, and the prospect of its future with the addition of Sweden and the threat of American withdrawal.
Participants' bios
Kerry, Ivo, and Rich are all members of the Alphen Group that focuses on trans-Atlantic security.
- CGAI Fellow Kerry Buck served as Canada’s ambassador to NATO and prior to that as Political Director.
- Ivo Daalder served as US ambassador to NATO. President of the Chicago Global Affairs Council he hosts their weekly podcast ‘World Review’.
- Rich Hooker is a Fellow at the Atlantic Council after a distinguished career in the US Army with later service in the National Security Council.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the Twenty-first Century's Greatest Dilemma", by Mustafa Suleyman: https://www.amazon.ca/Coming-Wave-Technology-Twenty-first-Centurys/dp/0593593952
- "The Hollow Crown: Shakespeare on How Leaders Rise, Rule, and Fall", by Eliot A. Cohen: https://www.amazon.ca/Hollow-Crown-Shakespeare-Leaders-Rise/dp/1541644867
- "The Ashes of London", by Andrew Taylor: https://www.amazon.ca/Ashes-London-Andrew-Taylor/dp/0008119090
- "A Life in the American Century", by Joseph S. Nye Jr.: https://www.amazon.ca/Life-American-Century-Joseph-Nye/dp/1509560688
- Commissario Brunetti Series, by Donna Leon: https://www.goodreads.com/series/50419-commissario-brunetti
Recording Date: February 28, 2024.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.