
The CGAI Podcast Network
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Latest episodes

May 9, 2024 • 39min
Energy Security Cubed: The Economics of the Trans Mountain Pipeline with Trevor Tombe
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Trevor Tombe about the financial and economic basis of the Trans Mountain Pipeline.
You can find Trevor's article for The Hub here: https://thehub.ca/2024-04-30/trevor-tombe-the-trans-mountain-pipeline-was-worth-every-penny/
You can find our previous podcast with Trevor here: https://www.cgai.ca/the_impact_of_energy_in_the_federal_budget_with_trevor_tombe
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the Ksi Lisims LNG project and alleged collusion with OPEC in the US tight oil industry.
CGAI's events in Toronto and Ottawa with Kent Fellows: https://www.cgai.ca/2024_energy_security_forum_roundtables_series_the_influence_of_energy_on_canadas_role_on_the_world_stage
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Guest Bio:
- Trevor Tombe is a Professor of Economics at the University of Calgary, a Research Fellow at The School of Public Policy, and co-director of Finances of the Nation.
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Last Barrel Standing? Confronting the Myth of “High-Cost” Canadian Oil Sands Production", by Kent Fellows: https://www.cdhowe.org/public-policy-research/last-barrel-standing-confronting-myth-high-cost-canadian-oil-sands
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Interview recording Date: May 8, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

May 6, 2024 • 48min
The Global Exchange: Canada Alone in a Post-American World, with Kim Nossal
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Kim Nossal about the Canada-US relationship during a hypothetical second Trump Presidency.
You can find Kim's book, titled "Canada Alone: Navigating the Post-American World" here: https://www.amazon.ca/Canada-Alone-Navigating-Post-American-World/dp/1459752457
Participants' bios
- Kim Richard Nossal is Professor Emeritus at Queen’s University where he headed the Department of Political Studies and later served as director of the Centre for International and Defence Policy and then executive director of the Queen’s School of Policy Studies.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Dean of Shandong: Confessions of a Minor Bureaucrat at a Chinese University", by Daniel A. Bell: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691247120/the-dean-of-shandong
Recording Date: April 17, 2024.

May 3, 2024 • 38min
Defence Deconstructed: A Modernized CAF for Modernized Continental Defence
On his episode of Defence Deconstructed, The Hon. Bill Blair speaks to Our North, Strong and Free's contribution to enhanced and modernized continental defence.
This recording is part of Triple Helix’s first annual conference, which took place on May 1st, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, and Cenovus, as well as the American Chamber of Commerce in Canada, reception sponsor L3Harris Technologies, and coffee break sponsor Bell.
For more about this conference, go to: https://www.cgai.ca/norad_modernization_enabling_connectivity_for_interoperability
Guest Bio:
The Hon. Bill Blair is the Minister of National Defence.
Host bio
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 1 May 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

May 2, 2024 • 38min
Energy Security Cubed: The Impact of the Trans Mountain Expansion with Susan Bell
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Susan Bell about how the opening of the Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion could change Canada's energy industry.
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the recent G7 Energy Minister summit and the possibility of Iraqi and Kazakh oil supply curtailments.
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Guest Bio:
- Susan Bell is Senior Vice President, Downstream at Rystad Energy
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "The Body in Question", by Jill Ciment: https://www.amazon.ca/Body-Question-Novel-Jill-Ciment/dp/152474798X
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Interview recording Date: April 25, 2023
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Apr 29, 2024 • 51min
The Global Exchange: Navigating Engagement with China with Paul Evans
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Paul Evans about the troubled relationship between Canada and China, and ideas for how to navigate these challenging waters.
You can find Paul's book, titled "Engaging China", here: https://utorontopress.com/9781442614482/engaging-china/
Participants' bios
- Paul Evans is Professor Emeritus at the School of Public Policy and Global Affairs at the University of British Columbia. Paul is a Canadian representative on the ASEAN Regional Forum’s Experts and Eminent Persons Group and sits on various editorial boards for scholarly journals. His graduate and undergraduate teaching at UBC focused on Global China and World Order.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "The Bomber Mafia: A Dream, a Temptation, and the Longest Night of the Second World War", by Malcolm Gladwell: https://www.amazon.ca/Bomber-Mafia-Temptation-Longest-Second/dp/0316296619
- "Mr. Bates vs. The Post Office": https://www.pbs.org/show/mr-bates-vs-the-post-office/
Recording Date: April 17, 2024.

Apr 26, 2024 • 54min
Defence Deconstructed: The RCAF, 100 Years On
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to LGen Eric Kenny about the RCAF Centennial, the evolution of air power, and the future of the Air Force.
This episode is brought to you by Irving Shipduilding.
Guest Bio:
Lieutenant-General Eric Kenny is the Commander of the Royal Canadian Air Force.
Host bio
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 22 Apr 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Apr 25, 2024 • 41min
Energy Security Cubed: The Energy Impact of the Israel-Iran Conflict with Sara Vakhshouri
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Sara Vakhshouri about the risks of a hot war between Israel and Iran, and the muted energy reaction to these risks.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the German and Vietnamese economies.
Guest Bio:
- Sara Vakhshouri is a CGAI Fellow and the President of SVB Energy International
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "Cobalt Red: How the Blood of the Congo Powers Our Lives", by Siddarth Kara: https://www.amazon.ca/Cobalt-Red-Blood-Congo-Powers-ebook/dp/B09Y462D6Z
Interview recording Date: April 22, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Apr 22, 2024 • 16min
The Global Exchange: Deputy Minister Rob Stewart on Canada's Position in Global Trade
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, we are featuring a keynote speech by Deputy Minister Rob Stewart from CGAI's Annual Trade Conference.
Participants' bios
- Rob Stewart is the Deputy Minister of International Trade at Global Affairs Canada
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
The CGAI Trade Conference was made possible with the help of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, and Cenovus Energy. Thanks also go out to our Organizing Sponsors, the Simon Reisman Chair in International Economics and the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs.
Recording Date: April 9, 2024.

Apr 19, 2024 • 1h 46min
Defence Deconstructed: Budget 2024 & Optimizing Defence Procurement
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry unpacks Budget 2024 and its defence components. Then (17:39), Cara Salci speaks to LGen Frances Allen, Paul Folkes-Dallaire, Siobhan Harty, Marcia Mills, and Demetrios Xenos are unpacking how to improve the defence procurement system.
This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.
Guest Bios
Lieutenant General Frances Allen is Vice Chief of the Defence Staff Paula Folkes-Dallaire is PSPC’s Associate Assistant Deputy Minister of Defence and Marine Procurement
Siobhan Harty is PSPC’s Assistant Deputy Minister of Defence Procurement Review,
Marcia Mills is Counsel at Fasken
Demetrios Xenos ISED’s Director General Industrial and Technological Benefits Branch
Cara Salci is Vice President Strategy and Government Relations at Thales Canada.
Host Bio
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 18 Apr 2024 and 29 Nov 2023
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Apr 18, 2024 • 42min
Energy Security Cubed: How Shipping is Adapting to the Houthis with Jakob Larsen
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Jakob Larsen about the ongoing crisis in the Red Sea and how shipping companies are adapting to Houthi attacks.
For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the recent missile and drone attacks from Iran targeting Israel and the prospect of the United States reimposing sanctions on Venezuelan energy.
Guest Bio:
- Jakob Larsen is the Head of Maritime Safety & Security at BIMCO
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
- "One Dollar Man", by Ole Sønnichsen: https://www.susannalea.com/sla-title/one-dollar-man/
Interview recording Date: April 11, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.