

The CGAI Podcast Network
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
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Jul 4, 2024 • 1h 1min
Energy Security Cubed: Direct Lithium Extraction and Canadian Mineral Security with Chris Doornbos
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Chris Doornbos about direct lithium extraction and what it could mean for making a secure North American battery supply chain.
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the US Presidential Election and Chinese renewable power statistics.
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Guest Bio:
- Chris Doornbos is the Founder, President, and CEO of E3 Lithium
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Outlive: the Science of Art and Longevity", by Peter Attia and Bill Gifford: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/705161/outlive-by-peter-attia-md-with-bill-gifford/
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Interview recording Date: July 2, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jul 1, 2024 • 54min
The Global Exchange: The Canada-India Relationship after India's Election
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with CGAI Fellows Stewart Beck and Vina Nadjibulla about Canada and India in the wake of the recent Indian election. //
Participants' bios
- Stewart Beck served as Canada’s High Commissioner to India in addition to various other senior assignments in Asia as well as serving as Canada's Consul General to San Francisco and later as President and CEO of the Asia Pacific Foundation.
- Vina Nadjibulla is Vice-President, Research & Strategy at the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada and an Adjunct Professor at the School of Public Policy and Global Affairs at the University of British Columbia. //
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "China's Vulnerability Paradox: How the World's Largest Consumer Transformed Global Commodity Markets", by Pascale Massot: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/chinas-vulnerability-paradox-9780197771396
- "Upstart: How China Became a Great Power", by Oriana Skylar Mastro: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/upstart-9780197695067
- "Black Wave : Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the Forty-Year Rivalry that Unraveled Culture, Religion, and Collective Memory in the Middle East", by Kim Ghattas: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/book/black-wave-saudi-arabia-iran-and-forty-year-rivalry-unraveled-culture-religion-and-collective //
Recording Date: June 26, 2024.

Jun 28, 2024 • 1h 16min
Defence Deconstructed: A Farewell to the Ombudsman & What Future for NATO
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Charlotte Duval-Lantoine’s conversation with the DND/CAF Ombudsman, Gregory Lick, as he ends his five-year mandate. Catch up on last year's conversation here: https://www.cgai.ca/a_chat_with_the_dnd_caf_ombudsman
Then, to continue our conversations on transatlantic security and NATO ahead of the Washington Summit, you’ll hear Patrycja Sasnal, Head of Research at the Polish Institute of International Affairs discuss the alliance’s future in light of the war against Ukraine with CGAI Program Director Ian Brodie and Coordinator of the Polish Institute of International Affairs’ International Security Program, Wojciech Lorenz. This panel was part of an event organized on April 19th, 2024 in Vancouver in partnership with the Polish Institute of International Affairs and Resource Works, and supported by the Department of National Defence's MINDS Program.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Guests bios:
Mr. Gregory Lick is the outgoing DND/CAF Ombudsman
Patrycja Sasnal is the Head of Research at the Polish Institute of International Affairs
Ian Brodie is CGAI's Program Director & a Professor at the University of Calgary
Wojciech Lorenz is the Coordinator of the Polish Institute of International Affairs’ International Security Program
Host bio:
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is CGAI's Ottawa Operations Manager and Fellow. https://www.cgai.ca/charlotte_duval_lantoine
Recording Date: 26 June 2024 & 19 Apr 2024

Jun 27, 2024 • 57min
Energy Security Cubed: How much should Canada Worry about Declining Oil Demand?
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss Joe's recent paper, "How Much Should Canada Worry About Declining Crude Oil Demand?" You can find the paper on CGAI's website here: https://www.cgai.ca/how_much_should_canada_worry_about_declining_crude_oil_demand
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the possibility of tariffs on Chinese EVs and the upcoming French legislative election.
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "The War That Ended Peace: The Road to 1914", by Margaret MacMillan: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/105817/the-war-that-ended-peace-by-margaret-macmillan/
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Interview recording Date: June 26, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jun 24, 2024 • 47min
The Global Exchange: Implications of the Mexican Election for North America
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Solange Marquez and Andres Rozental about the recent Mexican election and how the new administration might impact North American relations. //
Participants' bios
- Solange Marquez is a professor at the Law School of the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM). A former VP of the Mexican Council on International Affairs (Comexi) she is its representative in Canada. Solange is also a CGAI Fellow.
- Andres Rozental served as Mexico’s ambassador to Sweden and the United Kingdom and as deputy foreign minister. He is the Founding President of the Mexican Council on Foreign Relations. He holds the lifetime rank of eminent ambassador of Mexico. //
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "Grands Diplomates: Les maîtres des relations internationales de Mazarin à nos jours, by Hubert Védrine: https://www.lisez.com/livre-grand-format/grands-diplomates/9782262101398
- "Atlas of AI: Power, Politics, and the Planetary Costs of Artificial Intelligence", by Kate Crawford: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300264630/atlas-of-ai/ //
Recording Date: June 19, 2024.

Jun 21, 2024 • 1h 21min
Defence Deconstructed: NATO, Facilitator for Defence and Deterrence
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks with Hasit Thankey, head of Defence Enablement and Logistics at NATO’s International Staff about how the Alliance’s defence and deterrence posture has evolved, and how NATO is helping its members enhance their own defence.
Then, you’ll hear Dr. Toms Rostosk from Latvia University, Kristine Berzina from the German Marshall Fund of the US, His Excellency Kaspars Ozolins, Ambassador of Latvia to Canada, and CGAI Fellow Andrew Rasiulis discuss the evolution of Latvia’s defence posture since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine and how the Canada-led NATO Multinational brigade will support the Baltic country’s deterrence and defence.
These recordings are from our series on NATO countries’ evolving defence posture since the full scale of invasion of Ukraine, funded by the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program and BAE Systems.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Guests bios
Hasit Thankey is Head of Defence Enablement and Logistics at NATO’s International Staff
Dr. Toms Rostosk is a Professor at Latvia University
Kristine Berzina is a Senior Fellow at the German Marshall Fund of the US
His Excellency Kaspars Ozolins is the Ambassador of Latvia to Canada
Andrew Rasiulis is a CGAI Fellow
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 18 June 2024 and 7 May 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

Jun 20, 2024 • 1h 2min
Energy Security Cubed: Mexico's Election and North American Energy ft. Leonardo Beltran
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Leonardo Beltran about the recent election in Mexico, what it could mean for Mexican energy policy, and implications for the North American energy system.
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss swappable batteries and a recent report from Deloitte on the costs of the Federal Oil and Gas Emissions Cap.
Find Deloitte's report here: https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/f9b8dd81-2fc1-4e73-a75f-bedf55463841/resource/bba401be-cab6-4ce1-a0f6-7a8da2da7e5b/download/epa-tbf-potential-economic-impact-of-the-proposed-federal-oil-and-gas-emissions-cap.pdf //
Find the Conference Board of Canada's report here: https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/e034875d-f1cd-449f-acbc-e13b1631b5f0/resource/5c8471ca-c9fb-45b3-84ab-e0601f8eef83/download/epa-cboc-impact-ghg-emissions-cap-on-oil-and-gas-sector-2024-01.pdf
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Guest Bio:
- Leonardo Beltran is a Distinguished Visiting Fellow at Columbia University´s Center for Global Energy Policy, a non-resident fellow at the Institute of the Americas, and an executive fellow of the School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Our Renewable Energy Future: The Remarkable Story of How Renewable Energy Will Become the Basis for Our Lives", by Douglas Arent: https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/q0441#t=aboutBook
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Interview recording Date: June 17, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jun 17, 2024 • 43min
The Global Exchange: An Update on North Korea
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For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Marius Grinius and James Trottier about North Korea in the context of growing global instability. //
Participants' bios
- Marius Grinius is a former Canadian Ambassador to both North and South Korea, as well as to Vietnam and to the UN in Geneva. He is also a CGAI Fellow.
- James Trottier is a former Diplomat who, between 2013 to 2016, directed Political, Economic and Public Affairs at the Canadian Embassy in South Korea with a cross-accreditation to North Korea. He is also a CGAI Fellow. //
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "The Lazarus Heist: From Hollywood to High Finance: Inside North Korea's Global Cyber War", by Geoff White: https://www.amazon.ca/Lazarus-Heist-Hollywood-Finance-Inside/dp/024155425X
- "The Sister: North Korea's Kim Yo Jong, the Most Dangerous Woman in the World", by Sung-Yoon Lee: https://www.amazon.ca/Sister-North-Koreas-Dangerous-Woman/dp/1541704126
- "We", by Yevgeny Zamyatin: https://www.amazon.ca/We-Yevgeny-Zamyatin/dp/0380633132 //
Recording Date: June 14, 2024.

Jun 14, 2024 • 1h 29min
Defence Deconstructed: For a Defence Industry Strategy & Building the Brigade in Latvia
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Craig Stone about developing a defence industry strategy for Canada. This section of the episode is one of our Triple Helix MINDS Collaborative Network podcasts.
Then (34:31), you’ll hear Colonel David MacIntyre, Canadian Army’s Director of Land Requirements, Lieutenant Colonel Marc Kieley, G35 at the Canadian Army, and CJOC’s J5 Plans Colonel Jeffrey Orr discuss the work the Canadian Army is doing to build the NATP Multinational Brigade in Latvia. This recording is from a roundtable on NATO countries’ evolving defence posture since the full scale of invasion of Ukraine, funded by the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program and BAE Systems.
Guest Bios
Dr. Craig Stone is a CGAI Fellow
LCol Marc Kieley is the Canadian Army G35.
Col David MacIntyre is the Canadian Army’s Director of Land Requirement
Col Jeffrey Orr is the J5 for the Canadian Joint Operations Command
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 11 June 2024 and 7 May 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Jun 13, 2024 • 43min
Energy Security Cubed: The Future of Natural Gas in North America ft. Richard Meyer
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Richard Meyer about the forces driving supply and demand for natural gas, and what it could mean for the fuel in the coming decades.
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss what would be required to revive Ukraine's battered electricity grid and the impact of the European Union parliamentary elections.
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Guest Bio:
- Richard Meyer is Vice President of Energy Markets, Analysis, and Standards at the American Gas Association
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Frederick Douglass: Prophet of Freedom", by David Blight:: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Frederick-Douglass/David-W-Blight/9781416590323
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Interview recording Date: June 7, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.