

The CGAI Podcast Network
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Episodes
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Sep 20, 2024 • 49min
Defence Deconstructed: Getting to 2 Per Cent
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry talks to former principal of the Royal Military College of Canada John Scott Cowan, retired Major-General David Fraser, and retired Vice-Admiral Paul Maddison about reaching two per cent of GDP in defence. This conversation is a follow-up from our guest's publication "What Spending 2 Per Cent of GDP on National Defence Could Mean for Canada" https://www.cgai.ca/what_spending_two_per_cent_of_gdp_on_national_defence_means_for_canada
Guest bios:
VAdm (ret'd) Paul Maddison is the Director of Compass Leaf Consulting.
Major-General (ret'd) David Fraser is the President of Aegis Six Corporation.
John Scott Cowan was principal of the Royal Military College of Canada, president of the CDA Institute 2008-2012, and chair of the Defence Science Advisory Board of Canada.
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 19 September 2024
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Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Sep 19, 2024 • 46min
Energy Security Cubed: Europe, Asia, and the Energy Trilemma with Richard Norris
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Richard Norris about the energy trilemma between affordability, security, and sustainability, and the vision of this trilemma from Japan, Asia, and Europe.
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss Turkey's role as a natural gas hub, declining inflation in Canada, and the question of EV demand in Europe.
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Guest Bio:
- Richard Norris is a CGAI Fellow, Partner at Pandreco Energy Advisors, and a Non Executive Director at Maha Energy Inc. You can find his Substack here: https://pandreco.substack.com/
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "In the Combat Zone of Finance: An Insider’s Account of the Financial Crisis", by Svein Harald Øygard: https://www.amazon.ca/Combat-Zone-Finance-insiders-financial/dp/1912555654
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Interview recording Date: September 18, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 17, 2024 • 26min
The Global Exchange: The Dictators who Want to Run the World, with Anne Applebaum
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Anne Applebaum about the global authoritarian regimes which are coordinating in their attacks on the democratic world, and what can be done to combat them.
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Participants' bios
- Anne Applebaum is an historian and accomplished journalist, and the author of several books on the rise of authoritarian regimes. You can find her latest book, Autocracy Inc here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/725302/autocracy-inc-by-anne-applebaum/
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "The Education of Henry Adams", by Henry Adams: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/695/the-education-of-henry-adams-by-henry-adams/
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Recording Date: September 10, 2024.

Sep 13, 2024 • 1h 17min
Defence Deconstructed: Military Culture & Defence Infrastructure Investments
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry talks to Charlotte Duval-Lantoine about some of the work she published with us on military culture and personnel.
Then, David Perry speaks about Department of National Defence’s Infrastructure Investments with Kevin Horgan, MGen Gros-Jean, and David Thompson. This conversation was a panel from our conference on building the necessary infrastructure for NORAD modernization, which took place on June 13, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Defence and Ocean, Cenovus, conference silver sponsor Canadian Nuclear Laboratories, and bronze sponsors PCL Construction and Rio Tinto.
Guest bios
Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is the Ottawa Operations Manager and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Kevin Horgan is the Vice President, Service Delivery, for Defence Construction Canada
Major General Martin Gros-Jean is Chief of Staff to the Department of National Defence’s Assistant Deputy Minister (Infrastructure and Environment)
David Thompson is the Director General of Portfolio Requirements for the Department of National Defence
Recording Date: 13 Sep and 13 June 2024
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Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Sep 12, 2024 • 45min
Energy Security Cubed: Why Canada is Taxing Chinese EVs with Brian Kingston
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Brian Kingston about the recently imposed Canadian tariffs on Chinese electric vehicle imports, and the strategic reasoning behind them.
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the Trump-Harris debate and the outlook for green methanol in global shipping.
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Guest Bio:
- Brian Kingston is a CGAI Fellow and the President and CEO of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Dead in the Water: A True Story of Hijacking, Murder, and a Global Maritime Conspiracy", by Matthew Campbell and Kit Chellel: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/658264/dead-in-the-water-by-matthew-campbell-and-kit-chellel/9780593329238
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Interview recording Date: September 10, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 9, 2024 • 1h 2min
The Global Exchange: The Current State of Canada-US Defence Relations
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Hon. Adrew Leslie, Vincent Rigby and Vadm. (Retd.) Mark Norman about the meaning of the defence relationship between Canada and the United States, and the current status of this central component of bilateral relations.
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Participants' bios
- The Honourable Andrew Leslie is a former Member of Parliament for Orléans and retired LGen of the Canadian Forces.
- Vincent Rigby was a longtime member of the Canadian Civil Service, with roles at the Privy Council Office, Global Affairs Canada, and Public Safety Canada. He was most recently National Security and Intelligence Advisor to the Government of Canada from 2020 to 2021.
- Vadm (Retd) Mark Norman had a 39-year career with the Royal Canadian Navy, reaching the rank of Vice-Admiral in August 2019 //
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "Memoirs", Pierre Elliot Trudeau: https://www.amazon.ca/Memoirs-Pierre-Trudeau/dp/0771085885
- "War: How Conflict Shaped Us", Margaret MacMillan: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/609692/war-how-conflict-shaped-us-by-margaret-macmillan/
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Recording Date: August 14, 2024.

Sep 6, 2024 • 44min
Defence Deconstructed: A Ghost Fleet for the RCN & Another ONSAF Overview
n this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry is joined by our Fellow and 2023 Women in Defence and Security Fellowship recipient Kate Todd, to discuss the integration of unmanned maritime vehicles in navies, and the implications for the Royal Canadian Navy.
Then, you’ll hear Department of National Defence’s Assistant Deputy Minister (Policy) Peter Hammerschmidt outline how the defence policy update, Our North, Strong and Free, supports efforts to support the connectivity aspects of NORAD Modernization.
That conversation was a panel from Triple Helix’s first annual conference, which took place on May 1, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, and Cenovus, as well as the American Chamber of Commerce in Canada, reception sponsor L3Harris Technologies, and coffee break sponsor Bell.
Guest bios
Kate Todd is a Fellow with CGAI – https://www.cgai.ca/katherine_todd
Peter Hammerschmidt was ADM (Policy) at the Department of National Defence
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 16 Sep 2024 & 1 May 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn.
Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Sep 5, 2024 • 55min
Energy Security Cubed: The Geopolitics of the Energy Transition - A Retrospective
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan begin with a discussion on major issues in global energy security, including the causes of the current oil market volatility and recently announced Canadian tariffs on Chinese EVs.
For the interview section of the podcast, we take a look back at a previous episode featuring Elizabeth Press about the International Renewable Energy Agency's recent report, "Geopolitics of the Energy Transition: Critical Materials". You can find this report here: www.irena.org/Publications/2023/…Critical-Materials
Guest Bio:
- Elizabeth Press is Director of Planning and Programme Support at the International Renewable Energy Agency
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading Recommendations
- "American Dirt", by Jeanine Cummins: www.amazon.ca/American-Dirt-Nove…mins/dp/1250209765
- "Betraying Spinoza: The Renegade Jew Who Gave Us Modernity", by Rebecca Goldstein: www.amazon.ca/Betraying-Spinoza-…nity/dp/0805211594
Interview recording Date: August 23, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 2, 2024 • 56min
The Global Exchange: CUSMA - High Stakes, Little Time
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Hon. Perrin Beatty and Fen Hampson about Canada-US relations as we prepare for a new American political map. This podcast is associated with the work of the Expert Group on Canada-U.S. Relations, an initiative supported by The Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, and the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
This podcast is inspired by Perrin and Fen's paper for the Working Group, "CUSMA: High Stakes, Little Time": https://carleton.ca/npsia/wp-content/uploads/Canada-US-Expert-Group-Beatty_Hampson-EN-FINAL.pdf
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Participants' bios
- Perrin is CEO and president of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce and a Former Minister of many portfolios, including Defence and Foreign Affairs
- Fen Hampson is the author of 15 books, and the editor of 33 books. He is also Chancellor’s Professor and Professor of Internal Relations at Carlton University. //
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "The Demon of Unrest: A Saga of Hubris, Heartbreak, and Heroism at the Dawn of the Civil War", by Erik Larsen: https://www.amazon.com/Demon-Unrest-Hubris-Heartbreak-Heroism/dp/0385348746
- "Isaac's Storm: A Man, a Time, and the Deadliest Hurricane in History", by Erik Larsen: https://www.amazon.ca/Isaacs-Storm-Deadliest-Hurricane-History/dp/0375708278
- "Breakdown: The Inside Story of the Rise and Fall of Heenan Blaikie", by Norman Bacal: https://www.amazon.ca/Breakdown-Inside-Story-Heenan-Blaikie/dp/198802515X
- "Rogers v. Rogers: The Battle for Control of Canada's Telecom Empire", by Alexandra Posadzki: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/713400/rogers-v-rogers-by-alexandra-posadzki/
- "Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties", by Tom O'Neill: https://www.amazon.ca/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
- "Cracking the Nazi Code: The Untold Story of Canada's Greatest Spy", by Jason Bell: https://www.amazon.ca/Cracking-Nazi-Code-Canadas-Greatest-ebook/dp/B0BQMZGF4F //
Recording Date: August 13, 2024.

Aug 30, 2024 • 1h 9min
Defence Deconstructed: Modernizing – for Digitization or Continental Defence
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, you'll hear a Triple Helix-themed three-parter.
First, David Perry speaks to VAdm (ret'd) Ron Lloyd on public service culture and how it can be leveraged to meet digital ambition. This conversation is based on a paper we've recently published, "Public Service Culture, Risk Management and Governance: The Prerequisite of Effective Strategic Governance to Realizing Our Digital Ambition" (https://www.cgai.ca/public_service_culture_risk_management_and_governance_the_prerequisite_of_effective_strategic_governance_to_realizing_our_digital_ambition)
Then (23:56), LGen Blaise Frawley shares NORAD's perspectives on the modernization of continental defence.
Finally (45:45), LGen Eric Kenny joins David Perry to outline how the RCAF is modernizing in order to deter and counter the threats to North America.
This recording is part of Triple Helix’s first annual conference, which took place on May 1st, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, and Cenovus, as well as the American Chamber of Commerce in Canada, reception sponsor L3Harris Technologies, and coffee break sponsor Bell.
Guest bios:
VAdm (ret'd) Ron Lloyd is a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/ron_lloyd
LGen Blaise Frawley is Deputy Commander of NORAD – https://www.norad.mil/About-NORAD/Leadership/Article-View/Article/3412920/lieutenant-general-blaise-f-frawley-rcaf/
LGen Eric Kenny is the Commander of the Royal Canadian Air Force – https://www.canada.ca/en/air-force/corporate/royal-canadian-air-force-commander.html
Host Bio
Dr. David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 6 August and 1 May 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn.
Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips