
The CGAI Podcast Network
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Latest episodes

Jul 15, 2024 • 49min
The Global Exchange: The Future of Trade is Regional
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, we are featuring a session from the CGAI's Annual Trade Conference, titled "The Future of Trade is Regional"
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Participants' bios
- Dr. Meredith Lilly, Simon Reisman Chair
in International Economic Policy at Carleton University’s
Norman Paterson School of International Affairs (Moderator)
- Jonathan Fried, former Deputy Minister and Coordinator for International Economic Relations at Global Affairs Canada
- Vina Nadjibulla, Vice-President, Research & Strategy at the Asia-Pacific Foundation of Canada
- Dr. Teddy Samy, Professor of international affairs at the Norman
Paterson School of International Affairs
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Recording Date: April 11, 2024.

Jul 12, 2024 • 1h 14min
Defence Deconstructed: 2024 NATO Summit in Vignettes
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry discusses the 2024 NATO Summit with
Brian Lee Crowley, Managing Director of the Macdonald-Laurier Institute
Philippe Lagassé, one of our fellows and associate Professor at Carleton University – read Philippe’s Substack here: https://lagassep.substack.com/
Christopher Sands, Director of the Wilson Center’s Canada Institute
Amy Topshee, NATO Field School’s Alumni Coordinator – follow the NATO Field School on social media and listen to their podcast here: https://soundcloud.com/cdsnpodcasts
Jason Moyer, Global Europe Program Associate at the Wilson Center – read Jason’s piece here: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/natos-75th-anniversary-summit-standing-test-time
Nicolas Todd, Vice President, Government Relations at the Canadian Association of Defence and Security Industries
This episode is part of a series on NATO countries’ reactions to the war against Ukraine, supported by the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program.
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 12 July 2024

Jul 11, 2024 • 48min
Energy Security Cubed: Breaking Down China's EV Industrial Policy with Scott Kennedy
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Scott Kennedy about China's industrial policy around electric vehicles, what it means for China's economy, and how Western countries should react to this economic trend.
You can find Scott's blog post for CSIS here: https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dilemma-subsidized-yet-striking
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss new Canadian policies around mining takeovers, the effectiveness of sanctions on Russian oil, and efforts to shore up Ukraine's grid in advance of winter.
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Guest Bio:
- Scott Kennedy is senior adviser and Trustee Chair in Chinese Business and Economics at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Wild Ride: a Short History of the Opening and Closing of the Chinese Economy", by Anne Stevenson-Yang: https://buijones.com/wild-ride
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Interview recording Date: July 8, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jul 9, 2024 • 41min
The Event Edit: Combatting IUU Fishing
Over the Summer, CGAI will be releasing its event recordings as part of a special series, called the Event Edit.
On this edition, you'll hear an excerpt from our Illegal, Unreported, and Unregulated Fishing: Cooperation for a Rules-Based Maritime Order, which took place on February 27, 2024.
Christian DesRoches, from Global Affairs Canada and Andrew McMaster opened the event by outlining the work the government of Canada does to address Illegal, Unreported, and Unregulated Fishing. Then, Dr. Maiko Raita explains the legal framework defining IUU fishing and how to combat it.
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine.

Jul 8, 2024 • 52min
The Global Exchange: Unpacking Canada's Role in NATO before the Washington Summit
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with David Collenette, Julie Dzerowicz and Andrew Rasiulis about Canada's role in NATO as we enter the Washington NATO summit. //
Participants' bios
- Hon. David Collenette is chair of the NATO Association of Canada. A former member of parliament he served as Minister of Defence and Transportation in the Chretien governments.
- Julie Dzerowicz is chair of the NATO Parliamentary Association and the memher of parliament for Davenport
- CGAI Fellow Andrew Rasiulis served in the Canadian Armed Forces and in then in the Defence Department where is was responsible for Eastern European affairs. //
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the Present", by Fareed Zakaria: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/763565/age-of-revolutions-by-fareed-zakaria/9780393239232
- "The Prince", by Stephen Maher: https://www.simonandschuster.ca/books/The-Prince/Stephen-Maher/9781668024492
- "You Never Know: A Memoir" by Tom Sellick: https://www.harpercollins.ca/9780062945761/you-never-know/
- "2034: A Novel of the Next World War", by Elliot Ackerman and Admiral James Stavridis: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=9781984881250
- "Roads to Oblivion: Triumphs and Tragedies of British Car Makers 1946-56", by Christopher Balfour: https://www.amazon.com/Roads-Oblivion-Triumphs-Tragedies-British/dp/1870979826 //
Recording Date: July 4, 2024.

Jul 5, 2024 • 56min
Defence Deconstructed: New Approach to Recruitment & NATO's Energy Security
On this week's Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Colonel Chris Brown about the Memorandum of Understanding he signed with Fanshawe College to provide a co-operative education program in the form of military training.
Then, to continue our conversations on NATO ahead of the Washington Summit, you’ll hear Kelly Ogle discuss the role of energy security for geostrategic stability with Paweł Markiewicz and Stewart Muir. This panel was part of an event organized on April 19th, 2024 in Vancouver in partnership with the Polish Institute of International Affairs and Resource Works, and with the support of the Department of National Defence's MINDS program.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Guest bios:
Colonel Christopher Brown is the Commander of the Army Reserves’ 31 Canadian Brigade Group.
Kelly Ogle is CGAI's Managing Director.
Paweł Markiewicz is the Executive Director of the Polish Institute of International Affairs’ Washington D.C. office
Stewart Muir is the CEO of Resource Works
Host bio
Dr. David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 10 June 2024 and 19 April 2024

Jul 4, 2024 • 1h 1min
Energy Security Cubed: Direct Lithium Extraction and Canadian Mineral Security with Chris Doornbos
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Chris Doornbos about direct lithium extraction and what it could mean for making a secure North American battery supply chain.
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the US Presidential Election and Chinese renewable power statistics.
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Guest Bio:
- Chris Doornbos is the Founder, President, and CEO of E3 Lithium
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Outlive: the Science of Art and Longevity", by Peter Attia and Bill Gifford: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/705161/outlive-by-peter-attia-md-with-bill-gifford/
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Interview recording Date: July 2, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jul 1, 2024 • 54min
The Global Exchange: The Canada-India Relationship after India's Election
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with CGAI Fellows Stewart Beck and Vina Nadjibulla about Canada and India in the wake of the recent Indian election. //
Participants' bios
- Stewart Beck served as Canada’s High Commissioner to India in addition to various other senior assignments in Asia as well as serving as Canada's Consul General to San Francisco and later as President and CEO of the Asia Pacific Foundation.
- Vina Nadjibulla is Vice-President, Research & Strategy at the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada and an Adjunct Professor at the School of Public Policy and Global Affairs at the University of British Columbia. //
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "China's Vulnerability Paradox: How the World's Largest Consumer Transformed Global Commodity Markets", by Pascale Massot: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/chinas-vulnerability-paradox-9780197771396
- "Upstart: How China Became a Great Power", by Oriana Skylar Mastro: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/upstart-9780197695067
- "Black Wave : Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the Forty-Year Rivalry that Unraveled Culture, Religion, and Collective Memory in the Middle East", by Kim Ghattas: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/book/black-wave-saudi-arabia-iran-and-forty-year-rivalry-unraveled-culture-religion-and-collective //
Recording Date: June 26, 2024.

Jun 28, 2024 • 1h 16min
Defence Deconstructed: A Farewell to the Ombudsman & What Future for NATO
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Charlotte Duval-Lantoine’s conversation with the DND/CAF Ombudsman, Gregory Lick, as he ends his five-year mandate. Catch up on last year's conversation here: https://www.cgai.ca/a_chat_with_the_dnd_caf_ombudsman
Then, to continue our conversations on transatlantic security and NATO ahead of the Washington Summit, you’ll hear Patrycja Sasnal, Head of Research at the Polish Institute of International Affairs discuss the alliance’s future in light of the war against Ukraine with CGAI Program Director Ian Brodie and Coordinator of the Polish Institute of International Affairs’ International Security Program, Wojciech Lorenz. This panel was part of an event organized on April 19th, 2024 in Vancouver in partnership with the Polish Institute of International Affairs and Resource Works, and supported by the Department of National Defence's MINDS Program.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Guests bios:
Mr. Gregory Lick is the outgoing DND/CAF Ombudsman
Patrycja Sasnal is the Head of Research at the Polish Institute of International Affairs
Ian Brodie is CGAI's Program Director & a Professor at the University of Calgary
Wojciech Lorenz is the Coordinator of the Polish Institute of International Affairs’ International Security Program
Host bio:
Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is CGAI's Ottawa Operations Manager and Fellow. https://www.cgai.ca/charlotte_duval_lantoine
Recording Date: 26 June 2024 & 19 Apr 2024

Jun 27, 2024 • 57min
Energy Security Cubed: How much should Canada Worry about Declining Oil Demand?
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss Joe's recent paper, "How Much Should Canada Worry About Declining Crude Oil Demand?" You can find the paper on CGAI's website here: https://www.cgai.ca/how_much_should_canada_worry_about_declining_crude_oil_demand
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the possibility of tariffs on Chinese EVs and the upcoming French legislative election.
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "The War That Ended Peace: The Road to 1914", by Margaret MacMillan: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/105817/the-war-that-ended-peace-by-margaret-macmillan/
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Interview recording Date: June 26, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.