

The CGAI Podcast Network
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Oct 11, 2024 • 1h 11min
Defence Deconstructed: Facing the NORAD Infrastructure Challenge
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, you'll hear Major-General Constance Jenkins outline the importance of defence infrastructure to NORAD.
MGen Jenkins is the Director of Logistics and Engineering for NORAD/ USNORTHCOM
Then, you’ll hear a panel discussion on challenges with building for defence amidst a Canadian infrastructure deficit and housing crunch, featuring:
• Christopher Lane, Senior Vice President, EllisDon
• Jason Robbins, President, Royal Architect Institute of Canada
• Louis-Philippe Champagne, Associate Vice President of Public Affairs and Industry Practices, Canadian Construction Association
• Moderator: Inez Neville, then Executive Director, NORAD Modernization Infrastructure Program Management Office, DND
These conversation was a panel from our conference on building the necessary infrastructure for NORAD modernization, which took place on June 13, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Defence and Ocean, Cenovus, conference sponsors Canadian Nuclear Laboratories, PCL Construction, and Rio Tinto.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Music by Drew Philips, produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine

Oct 10, 2024 • 45min
Energy Security Cubed: Women's Stake in Energy Security with Tracey Bodnarchuk
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Tracey Bodnarchuk about how women's views on energy should help inform Canadian energy policy.
You can find Canada Powered by Women here: https://www.canadapoweredbywomen.ca/
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For the podcast's intro section, Joe and Kelly discuss a looming Israeli response to Iran's missile attack and projections for global gas demand in the coming years.
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Guest Bio:
- Tracey Bodnarchuk is the Founder and CEO of Canada Powered by Women
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "My Name Is Barbra", by Barbra Streisand: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/318615/my-name-is-barbra-by-barbra-streisand/
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Interview recording Date: October 7, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 9, 2024 • 1h 7min
The Event Edit: Maintaining Canada's Leadership in Digital Trade
On this episode of The Event Edit, David Perry speaks to Graham Davies, Meredith Lilly, and Patrick Rogers about the future of digital trade in Canada.
Rick Tachuk delivers the opening remarks.
This event was organized in partnership with the American Chamber of Commerce in Canada and with the support of the Digital Media Association.
Guest bios:
Graham Davies is the President and CEO of the Digital Media Association (DIMA)
Dr. Meredith Lilly is Professor and the Simon Reisman Chair at The Norman Paterson School of International Affairs
Patrick Rogers is the CEO of Music Canada
Rick Tachuk is the President of the American Chamber of Commerce in Canada
Host bio:
Dr. David Perry, President and CEO, Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Recorded on October 9, 2024
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine
Find more at Cgai.ca

Oct 7, 2024 • 44min
The Global Exchange: Rebuilding the Public Service, with Donald Savoie
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Donald Savoie about his new book "Speaking Truth to Canadians About Their Public Service", and the role and responsibilities of the Canadian elected and unelected officials in improving Canadian government.
You can find Donald's book here: https://www.mqup.ca/speaking-truth-to-canadians-about-their-public-service-products-9780228021384.php
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Participants' bios
- Donald Savoie is Canada Research Chair in Public Administration and Governance at the Université de Moncton, one of our most distinguished scholars and a prolific author on Canadian public policy. He has also held various senior appointments within governments.
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
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Recording Date: September 18, 2024.

Oct 4, 2024 • 1h 55min
Defence Deconstructed: Taiwan's Security Future & Building in the High Arctic
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry talks to our fellow and retired Vice Admiral Mark Norman and our program director Dr Ian Brodie about their trip to Taiwan and the security situation on the island. This conversation was recorded on 30 Sep 2024.
Then, you’ll hear a panel discussion on the complexities of building in the high Arctic with
• Capt (N) ret’d David Hudock, National Director, Defence and Federal Government Relations at PCL Construction
• Leah Carson, Partner, Deal Advisory, Global Infrastructure Advisor at KPMG
• Josh Armstrong, Architect at Stantec
• Brandon Morris, Principal and Practice Lead – Buildings, Northern Canada for Stantec
• Moderated by Dan Doran, Partner at KPMG
That conversation was a panel from our conference on building the necessary infrastructure for NORAD modernization, which took place on June 13, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Defence and Ocean, Cenovus, conference sponsors Canadian Nuclear Laboratories, PCL Construction, and Rio Tinto.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Music Credits to Drew Phillips; produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine

Oct 3, 2024 • 45min
Energy Security Cubed: Nickel and the Decline of Globalization with Cullen Hendrix
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Cullen Hendrix about a recent US Department of Labour ruling against Indonesian nickel production, how it demonstrates the decline of trade globalization, and what it could mean for Canada.
You can find Cullen's article for The Diplomat here: https://thediplomat.com/2024/09/us-forced-labor-ruling-on-indonesian-nickel-could-backfire/
Previous Energy Security Cubed with Cullen: https://www.cgai.ca/security_risks_of_climate_change_and_energy_transition_with_cullen_hendrix
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Guest Bio:
- Cullen Hendrix is a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics and a non-resident fellow at the Payne Institute for Public Policy at the Colorado School of Mines
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "The War Below: Lithium, Copper, and the Global Battle to Power Our Lives", by Ernest Scheyder: https://www.simonandschuster.ca/books/The-War-Below/Ernest-Scheyder/9781668011805
- "The Squared Circle: Life, Death, and Professional Wrestling", by David Shoemaker: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/311224/the-squared-circle-by-david-shoemaker/9781592408818
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Interview recording Date: September 26, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 30, 2024 • 59min
The Global Exchange: The Canada-US Border Amid Political and Economic Change
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Laura Dawson, Nathalie Kinloch, and Ryan Greer. This podcast is associated with the work of the Expert Group on Canada-U.S. Relations, an initiative supported by The Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, and the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
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Participants' bios
- Laura Dawson is Executive Director of the Future Borders Coalition: https://www.futureborderscoalition.org/
- Natalie Kinloch is the Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Bridge Corporation: https://federalbridge.ca/
- Ryan Greer is Vice President, Public Affairs and National Policy at Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters: https://cme-mec.ca/about/
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
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Read & Watch:
- "Without Precedent: The Supreme Life of Rosalie Abella": https://gem.cbc.ca/without-precedent-the-supreme-life-of-rosalie-abella
- "The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization", by Peter Zeihan: https://www.amazon.ca/End-World-Just-Beginning-Globalization/dp/006323047X
- "The Habits That Hold Leaders Back, with Marshall Goldsmith": https://coachingforleaders.com/podcast/habits-that-hold-leaders-back-marshall-goldsmith/
- "Truth Be Told: My Journey Through Life and the Law", by Beverley McLachlin: https://www.amazon.ca/Truth-Be-Told-Journey-Through/dp/1982104961
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Recording Date: September 18, 2024.

Sep 27, 2024 • 1h 35min
Defence Deconstructed: Revolution in Military Affairs & Implementing Infrastructure Investments
On this Defence Deconstructed 2-parter, David Perry talks to Fellow Alex Rudolph about digital transformation and how it requires to fundamentally transform the Canadian military. This segment is part of our Triple Helix set of activities, and is based on a paper Alex wrote earlier in 2024: https://www.cgai.ca/digital_transformation_and_pan_domain_the_cafs_quiet_revolution_in_military_affairs
Then (38:35, you’ll hear a panel discussion on the implementation of defence real property projects between
• Genevieve Lehoux, Senior Director NORAD Modernization Infrastructure Project Delivery at the Department of National Defence
• Tracy Fleck, Director General Indigenous Affairs at the Department of National Defence
• Colonel Daniel Constable, Director Fighter Capability Requirements for the Royal Canadian Air Force
• Greg Witol, Policy Adviser to the Commander of the Canadian Joint Operations Command
• Moderated by retired Brigadier General Dan MacIsaac, partner at CFN Consultant
That conversation was a panel from our conference on building the necessary infrastructure for NORAD modernization, which took place on June 13, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Defence and Ocean, Cenovus, conference silver sponsor Canadian Nuclear Laboratories, and bronze sponsors PCL Construction and Rio Tinto. Learn more about this conference here: https://www.cgai.ca/building_norads_northern_infrastructure
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 27 September and 13 June 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn.
Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Sep 26, 2024 • 37min
Energy Security Cubed: The Cyber Security Problems of Military Electrification with Kristen Csenkey
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Kristen Csenkey about how electrification could open cyber vulnerabilities for Western militaries, and what can be done to resolve these issues.
You can find Kristen's article for War on the Rocks here: https://warontherocks.com/2024/06/power-and-tension-the-cyber-security-problems-of-military-electrification/
Previous CGAI publications featuring Kristen:
- Webinar Recording "EV Cybersecurity and Grid Vulnerability": https://www.cgai.ca/ev_cybersecurity_and_grid_vulnerability
- Policy Perspective Paper "Diverse and Vulnerable: Disconnects in Cyber-security Governance of IoT": https://www.cgai.ca/diverse_and_vulnerable_disconnects_in_cyber_security_governance_of_iot
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the electricity requirements for AI datacenters, and what sort of energy we can expect to fill the gaps.
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Guest Bio:
- Dr. Kristen Csenkey is a CIGI Digital Policy Hub Fellow at the Centre for International Governance Innovation, and a CGAI Fellow
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "The Walls Have Eyes: Surviving Migration in the Age of Artificial Intelligence” by Petra Molnar: https://thenewpress.com/books/walls-have-eyes
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Interview recording Date: September 19, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 23, 2024 • 57min
The Global Exchange: The Crucial Importance of Canada-US Relations for Western Canada
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Martha Hall Findlay and Carlo Dade about western Canadian interests in the Canada-US relationship. This podcast is associated with the work of the Expert Group on Canada-U.S. Relations, an initiative supported by The Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, and the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
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Participants' bios
- Martha Hall Findlay is Director of the University of Calgary School of Public Policy
- Carlo Dade is Director for Trade and Trade Infrastructure at the Canada West Foundation
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman", by Richard Feynmann: https://www.amazon.ca/Surely-Youre-Joking-Mr-Feynman/dp/0393316041
- "Lincoln", by David Herbert Donald: https://www.simonandschuster.ca/books/Lincoln/David-Herbert-Donald/9780684825359
- "The Political Thought of Xi Jinping", by Steve Tsang and Olivia Cheung: https://www.amazon.com/Political-Thought-Xi-Jinping/dp/0197689361
- "On The Edge", by Nate Silver: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/529280/on-the-edge-by-nate-silver/
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Recording Date: September 17, 2024.