
The CGAI Podcast Network
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Latest episodes

Sep 12, 2024 • 45min
Energy Security Cubed: Why Canada is Taxing Chinese EVs with Brian Kingston
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Brian Kingston about the recently imposed Canadian tariffs on Chinese electric vehicle imports, and the strategic reasoning behind them.
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For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the Trump-Harris debate and the outlook for green methanol in global shipping.
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Guest Bio:
- Brian Kingston is a CGAI Fellow and the President and CEO of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Dead in the Water: A True Story of Hijacking, Murder, and a Global Maritime Conspiracy", by Matthew Campbell and Kit Chellel: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/658264/dead-in-the-water-by-matthew-campbell-and-kit-chellel/9780593329238
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Interview recording Date: September 10, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 9, 2024 • 1h 2min
The Global Exchange: The Current State of Canada-US Defence Relations
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Hon. Adrew Leslie, Vincent Rigby and Vadm. (Retd.) Mark Norman about the meaning of the defence relationship between Canada and the United States, and the current status of this central component of bilateral relations.
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Participants' bios
- The Honourable Andrew Leslie is a former Member of Parliament for Orléans and retired LGen of the Canadian Forces.
- Vincent Rigby was a longtime member of the Canadian Civil Service, with roles at the Privy Council Office, Global Affairs Canada, and Public Safety Canada. He was most recently National Security and Intelligence Advisor to the Government of Canada from 2020 to 2021.
- Vadm (Retd) Mark Norman had a 39-year career with the Royal Canadian Navy, reaching the rank of Vice-Admiral in August 2019 //
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "Memoirs", Pierre Elliot Trudeau: https://www.amazon.ca/Memoirs-Pierre-Trudeau/dp/0771085885
- "War: How Conflict Shaped Us", Margaret MacMillan: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/609692/war-how-conflict-shaped-us-by-margaret-macmillan/
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Recording Date: August 14, 2024.

Sep 6, 2024 • 44min
Defence Deconstructed: A Ghost Fleet for the RCN & Another ONSAF Overview
n this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry is joined by our Fellow and 2023 Women in Defence and Security Fellowship recipient Kate Todd, to discuss the integration of unmanned maritime vehicles in navies, and the implications for the Royal Canadian Navy.
Then, you’ll hear Department of National Defence’s Assistant Deputy Minister (Policy) Peter Hammerschmidt outline how the defence policy update, Our North, Strong and Free, supports efforts to support the connectivity aspects of NORAD Modernization.
That conversation was a panel from Triple Helix’s first annual conference, which took place on May 1, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, and Cenovus, as well as the American Chamber of Commerce in Canada, reception sponsor L3Harris Technologies, and coffee break sponsor Bell.
Guest bios
Kate Todd is a Fellow with CGAI – https://www.cgai.ca/katherine_todd
Peter Hammerschmidt was ADM (Policy) at the Department of National Defence
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Recording Date: 16 Sep 2024 & 1 May 2024
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Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Sep 5, 2024 • 55min
Energy Security Cubed: The Geopolitics of the Energy Transition - A Retrospective
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan begin with a discussion on major issues in global energy security, including the causes of the current oil market volatility and recently announced Canadian tariffs on Chinese EVs.
For the interview section of the podcast, we take a look back at a previous episode featuring Elizabeth Press about the International Renewable Energy Agency's recent report, "Geopolitics of the Energy Transition: Critical Materials". You can find this report here: www.irena.org/Publications/2023/…Critical-Materials
Guest Bio:
- Elizabeth Press is Director of Planning and Programme Support at the International Renewable Energy Agency
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading Recommendations
- "American Dirt", by Jeanine Cummins: www.amazon.ca/American-Dirt-Nove…mins/dp/1250209765
- "Betraying Spinoza: The Renegade Jew Who Gave Us Modernity", by Rebecca Goldstein: www.amazon.ca/Betraying-Spinoza-…nity/dp/0805211594
Interview recording Date: August 23, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 2, 2024 • 56min
The Global Exchange: CUSMA - High Stakes, Little Time
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Hon. Perrin Beatty and Fen Hampson about Canada-US relations as we prepare for a new American political map. This podcast is associated with the work of the Expert Group on Canada-U.S. Relations, an initiative supported by The Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University, and the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
This podcast is inspired by Perrin and Fen's paper for the Working Group, "CUSMA: High Stakes, Little Time": https://carleton.ca/npsia/wp-content/uploads/Canada-US-Expert-Group-Beatty_Hampson-EN-FINAL.pdf
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Participants' bios
- Perrin is CEO and president of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce and a Former Minister of many portfolios, including Defence and Foreign Affairs
- Fen Hampson is the author of 15 books, and the editor of 33 books. He is also Chancellor’s Professor and Professor of Internal Relations at Carlton University. //
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:
- "The Demon of Unrest: A Saga of Hubris, Heartbreak, and Heroism at the Dawn of the Civil War", by Erik Larsen: https://www.amazon.com/Demon-Unrest-Hubris-Heartbreak-Heroism/dp/0385348746
- "Isaac's Storm: A Man, a Time, and the Deadliest Hurricane in History", by Erik Larsen: https://www.amazon.ca/Isaacs-Storm-Deadliest-Hurricane-History/dp/0375708278
- "Breakdown: The Inside Story of the Rise and Fall of Heenan Blaikie", by Norman Bacal: https://www.amazon.ca/Breakdown-Inside-Story-Heenan-Blaikie/dp/198802515X
- "Rogers v. Rogers: The Battle for Control of Canada's Telecom Empire", by Alexandra Posadzki: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/713400/rogers-v-rogers-by-alexandra-posadzki/
- "Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties", by Tom O'Neill: https://www.amazon.ca/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
- "Cracking the Nazi Code: The Untold Story of Canada's Greatest Spy", by Jason Bell: https://www.amazon.ca/Cracking-Nazi-Code-Canadas-Greatest-ebook/dp/B0BQMZGF4F //
Recording Date: August 13, 2024.

Aug 30, 2024 • 1h 9min
Defence Deconstructed: Modernizing – for Digitization or Continental Defence
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, you'll hear a Triple Helix-themed three-parter.
First, David Perry speaks to VAdm (ret'd) Ron Lloyd on public service culture and how it can be leveraged to meet digital ambition. This conversation is based on a paper we've recently published, "Public Service Culture, Risk Management and Governance: The Prerequisite of Effective Strategic Governance to Realizing Our Digital Ambition" (https://www.cgai.ca/public_service_culture_risk_management_and_governance_the_prerequisite_of_effective_strategic_governance_to_realizing_our_digital_ambition)
Then (23:56), LGen Blaise Frawley shares NORAD's perspectives on the modernization of continental defence.
Finally (45:45), LGen Eric Kenny joins David Perry to outline how the RCAF is modernizing in order to deter and counter the threats to North America.
This recording is part of Triple Helix’s first annual conference, which took place on May 1st, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, and Cenovus, as well as the American Chamber of Commerce in Canada, reception sponsor L3Harris Technologies, and coffee break sponsor Bell.
Guest bios:
VAdm (ret'd) Ron Lloyd is a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/ron_lloyd
LGen Blaise Frawley is Deputy Commander of NORAD – https://www.norad.mil/About-NORAD/Leadership/Article-View/Article/3412920/lieutenant-general-blaise-f-frawley-rcaf/
LGen Eric Kenny is the Commander of the Royal Canadian Air Force – https://www.canada.ca/en/air-force/corporate/royal-canadian-air-force-commander.html
Host Bio
Dr. David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 6 August and 1 May 2024
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn.
Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Aug 29, 2024 • 36min
Energy Security Cubed: A Strategic Perspective on Labour and Just Transition with Mark Rowlinson
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Mark Rowlinson for a labour perspective on strategic industries like energy, vehicles, and steel.
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Guest Bio:
- Mark Rowlinson is a Partner at Goldblatt Partners, and previously worked for the United Steelworkers of Canada
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Cosmic Connections: Poetry in the Age of Disenchantment", by Charles Taylor: https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674296084
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Interview recording Date: August 21, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Aug 27, 2024 • 33min
The Event Edit: Ensuring Taiwan's Security
On this episode of The Event Edit, Charlotte Duval-Lantoine speaks to Prof. Stephen Nagy and Dr. David Perry about Canada's role and capacity in supporting Taiwan's security.
This episode is part of a series on Taiwan’s place in the world and how its security is crucial to global security. This series was supported by the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office. For more, visit: https://www.cgai.ca/2024_taiwan_series
Guest bios
Prof. Stephen Nagy is professor at the International Christian University in Tokyo and a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/stephen_nagy
Dr. David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry
Host bio
Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is CGAI's Ottawa Operations Manager
Recording Date: 26 Feb 2024
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Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Aug 26, 2024 • 57min
The Global Exchange: Dealing With Foreign Interference
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with CGAI Fellows Richard Fadden, Frank Graves and Christopher Waddell about the challenges facing Canada in mitigating foreign interference.
You can find Dick's interview with the Macdonald Laurier Institute here: https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/richard-fadden-on-dealing-with-foreign-interference-in-canada-inside-policy/
You can find Frank's speech with Carleton University here: https://www.cgai.ca/the_collapse_of_social_cohesion_and_crisis_of_trust_and_truth
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Participants' bios
- Richard (Dick) Fadden has had many appointments in Canada's public service including Director of CSIS, Deputy Minister of Immigration, Deputy Minister of National Defence and then National Security Advisor. He is an officer in the Order of Canada.
- Dr. Frank Graves is the founder of EKOS Research Associates
- Dr. Christopher Waddell is professor emeritus and former director of Carleton University’s School of Journalism and Communication
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
Read & Watch:",
- "How Not to Be a Politician", by Rory Stewart: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/690281/how-not-to-be-a-politician-by-rory-stewart/
- "Can It Happen Here? Authoritarianism in America", edited by Cass R. Sunstein: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/can-it-happen-here-cass-r-sunstein?variant=32121895026722
- "La défaite de l'Occident" (The Defeat of the West), by Emmanuel Todd: https://www.leslibraires.ca/livres/la-defaite-de-l-occident-emmanuel-todd-9782073041135.html?srsltid=AfmBOoo6AvKppomu1gqTNNEjeQR0hHLbhhWDJ4Au-qLQZmX9oqJL7uNl
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Recording Date: August 16, 2024.

Aug 23, 2024 • 1h 28min
Defence Deconstructed: Procurement & Continental Defence Capabilities
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to The Hon. John McKay about the House of Commons’ National Defence Committee report on defence procurement.
Then (34:28), David Perry moderates a panel on Canada’s continental defence capabilities with Cmdre Jason Armstrong, David Hazen, then BGen Chris McKenna, and Peter Saunders
Guests’ bios:
The Hon. John McKay is Chair of the House of Commons’ Standing Committee on National Defence
Peter Saunders is the Director General, NORAD-Continental Defence Modernization Office
Cmdre Jason Armstrong is the Director General, Naval Force Development for the Royal Canadian Navy
At the time of recording, Chris McKenna held the rank of BGen and was Director General Air and Space Force Development at the Royal Canadian Air Force
David Hazen is the Director General R&D Programs for Defence Research & Development Canada
Host biography
Dr. David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Read NDDN’s report: https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/NDDN/report-12/
Recording Date: 6 August and 1 May 2024
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Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips