
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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Dec 2, 2024 • 1h 11min
Rewind: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber on the future of federated social media
Jay Graber, CEO of Bluesky, discusses the explosive growth of the social media platform, which surged to over 20 million users following the election. She delves into the principles of decentralization and user customization that underpin Bluesky's design. The conversation touches on unique community culture, challenges in moderation, and strategies for monetization. Graber also highlights the importance of user feedback in shaping the platform and contrasts Bluesky's protocol with others like ActivityPub, emphasizing the future of federated social media.

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Nov 25, 2024 • 57min
GoDaddy CEO Aman Bhutani on the enduring power of the website
Aman Bhutani, CEO of GoDaddy since 2019, discusses the evolving relevance of websites in a landscape dominated by social media and AI. He emphasizes that personal websites enhance brand legitimacy and customer trust for small businesses. Aman highlights GoDaddy's strategic shift towards integrated services and AI tools, aiming to empower entrepreneurs. The conversation also explores the impact of generative AI on web design and decision-making, as well as the need for independent websites amidst increasing AI-generated content.

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Nov 21, 2024 • 34min
Remix: Google Zero is here — now what?
In this engaging discussion, Giselle Navarro, the managing editor of HouseFresh, addresses the dramatic changes in Google's algorithms and their disruptive impact on small websites. She shares her alarming experience of significant traffic loss due to 'Google Zero.' The conversation delves into the challenges independent content creators face in an AI-dominated search landscape and emphasizes the need for community trust and alternative platforms to sustain engagement. Navarro also raises concerns about transparency in Google's operations and how businesses can adapt to these rapid shifts.

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Nov 18, 2024 • 45min
Will the world end before I can retire?
Jonquilyn Hill, host of Explain It To Me, teams up with Brian Walsh, a Vox editor and climate expert, and Vivian Tu, a finance influencer known for her accessible advice. They dive into the pressing concerns of retirement planning amid AI advancements and climate crises. The trio discusses the challenges young people face today when saving for the future, the balance between enjoying the present and planning for uncertainties, and the rising need for adaptability in financial strategies. It's a mix of humor, wisdom, and practical tips!

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Nov 14, 2024 • 36min
How Trump’s second term could be bad for EVs, but great for Tesla
In this discussion, Andy Hawkins, Verge transportation editor and expert on the automotive industry, delves into the complex relationship between Elon Musk and Donald Trump. They explore how Musk's political influence might shape the future of Tesla amid Trump’s climate policies. The conversation also highlights potential challenges for the electric vehicle market under a second Trump administration, especially concerning tariffs and regulatory changes. Can Tesla thrive in a contradicting political landscape?

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Nov 11, 2024 • 1h 15min
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.
Harvey Mason Jr., CEO of the Recording Academy and seasoned music producer, dives into the evolving landscape of the Grammy Awards. He discusses the importance of diversity and adaptation in a rapidly changing industry influenced by streaming and AI. Mason highlights the need for reforms in Grammy voting and membership to genuinely reflect today’s artists. He also addresses challenges like genre categorization and the impact of technology on creative integrity, urging a balanced approach to innovation while honoring human artistry.

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Nov 7, 2024 • 39min
Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"
Jessica Kriegel, chief strategy officer at Culture Partners, and Stephan Meier, a professor at Columbia Business School, explore the shifting landscape of work post-pandemic. They discuss how return-to-office mandates may reflect deeper issues of trust and control. The conversation dives into Amazon's policy changes and contrasts industry approaches, revealing a growing preference for hybrid models. With a humorous touch, they examine the complexities of collaboration in different work environments and challenge the assumption that a return to the office is always beneficial.

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Nov 4, 2024 • 1h 15min
Why GM ditched CarPlay, with software boss Baris Cetinok
Baris Cetinok, Senior Vice President of Software and Services at General Motors, dives into GM's bold decision to ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto for its own Ultifi platform. He explores the challenges of transitioning to a software-driven approach and the importance of enhancing in-car user experience. Cetinok discusses the necessity for collaboration in automotive innovation and the shifting landscape of electric vehicle technology. This insightful conversation sheds light on how GM aims to redefine its software future amidst industry competition.

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Oct 31, 2024 • 43min
“It’s the First Amendment, stupid”
In this engaging discussion, Adi Robertson, Senior Tech and Policy Editor at The Verge, delves into the complexities of free speech in the digital age. They explore the recent calls from billionaires like Trump for media regulation, highlighting the First Amendment's role in preventing government overreach. Robertson sheds light on the historical context of broadcasting regulations and their impact on today's media landscape. The conversation also touches on the ramifications of the Fairness Doctrine's repeal and the evolving challenges of tech regulation.

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Oct 28, 2024 • 1h 16min
Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky on what founder mode really means
In this engaging talk, Brian Chesky, Co-founder and CEO of Airbnb, delves into the intriguing concept of 'founder mode.' Known for revolutionizing hospitality, he shares how this approach involves hands-on leadership and innovative hiring practices. Chesky also discusses Airbnb's latest winter update, addressing new features for hosts and user experiences. The conversation highlights the company's unique moderation strategies that prioritize authenticity and the balance between involvement and delegation in effective leadership.