
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

May 1, 2019 • 1h 21min
Recode Decode: Mayor London Breed
London Breed, the Mayor of San Francisco, dives deep into the city’s pressing issues like homelessness and affordable housing. She shares her vision for mental health reform and the impact of tech companies on the local community. Discussing the challenges of urban development, she emphasizes collaboration and innovative solutions. Breed also touches on civic engagement, the potential of a car-less San Francisco, and her relationship with the tech sector. Plus, she reflects on her aspirations for higher office, keeping listeners engaged with her candid insights.

Apr 29, 2019 • 1h 7min
Recode Decode: Trash in space, diversity in STEM and artificial meat at TED 2019
Join behavioral biologist Danielle Lee, known for blending hip hop with science, aerospace engineer Moriba Jah, an advocate for tackling space junk, and astrophysicist Erica Hamden, who’s developing next-gen telescopes. They discuss using cultural narratives to make science more accessible, the critical issue of space debris management, and the promising future of meat alternatives. Their engaging conversation highlights the intersection of technology, diversity in STEM, and innovative solutions to global challenges.

Apr 26, 2019 • 48min
Recode Decode: Journalist Julia Angwin
Julia Angwin is a renowned investigative journalist known for her focus on technology's societal impacts, having led ProPublica and co-founded The Markup. In this engaging discussion, she shares her journey into tech journalism and reflects on public indifference towards tech privacy issues. Angwin delves into the challenges of holding major tech companies accountable, discusses media literacy among youth, and reveals insights into navigating workplace turmoil in journalism. The talk underscores the urgent need for rigorous ethical standards in an age dominated by algorithms.

Apr 24, 2019 • 46min
Recode Decode: Why thinking about your death five times a day is good for you
Hansa Bergwall, co-founder of the WeCroak app, discusses how embracing the reality of death can lead to a more fulfilling life. He explains that the app reminds users of their mortality five times a day to promote mindfulness and prioritize what truly matters. Their approach avoids ads, focusing instead on personal reflection. Bergwall also debates the ethics of technology's relationship with death and highlights cultural practices, like those from Bhutan, that reinforce appreciation for life. Humor and symbolism are key to their message.

Apr 22, 2019 • 1h 3min
Recode Decode: Why tech is "flunking" the diversity test
Freada Kapor Klein, founder of Kapor Capital and a leading advocate for diversity in tech, shares her insights on the industry's failure to meet diversity goals. She discusses the importance of genuine company values over profit and the nuances of sexual coercion versus harassment. Klein reflects on her impact investing journey, holding tech companies accountable, and the need to address systemic inequalities. She critiques existing diversity initiatives in venture capital, emphasizing the importance of inclusive practices and the balance between financial success and social responsibility.

Apr 17, 2019 • 1h 10min
Recode Decode: Ford CTO Ken Washington
Ken Washington, Ford’s CTO and a leader in AI and autonomous vehicles, delves into the future of mobility. He discusses Ford's role in DARPA challenges, revealing how those experiences shape self-driving technology today. Washington highlights ethical concerns surrounding AI, emphasizing data privacy and corporate responsibility. He envisions a future with smart, personalized vehicles and the societal impacts of self-driving cars on job markets. Plus, he shares the coolest and creepiest aspects of AI innovation, blending technology with our everyday lives.

Apr 15, 2019 • 55min
Recode Decode: PBS CEO Paula Kerger
Paula Kerger, President and CEO of PBS, shares her insights from over 13 years at the helm, navigating public broadcasting through political challenges. She discusses the impact of proposed federal funding cuts, especially on rural communities. Kerger highlights PBS's shift to digital media and innovative strategies, including virtual reality and engaging children’s programming. The conversation also touches on PBS's role amidst competitors like Netflix and emphasizes the importance of community support to sustain its mission.

Apr 12, 2019 • 52min
Recode Decode: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi
U.S. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi talks candidly about breaking up Big Tech and the relationship between technology and democracy. She emphasizes the need for greater accountability from tech giants and discusses the challenges of hate speech online. Pelosi reflects on foreign interference in elections and the importance of safeguarding future democratic processes. The conversation also touches on immigration, education funding, and the evolving landscape of political communication in the age of social media, highlighting both challenges and opportunities.

Apr 10, 2019 • 57min
Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells
David Wallace-Wells, Deputy Editor of New York Magazine and author of "The Uninhabitable Earth," delves into the pressing realities of climate change. He uncovers shocking misconceptions and the stark lack of progress in clean energy. The conversation highlights how today’s unprecedented storms foreshadow deeper issues and critiques Silicon Valley's inadequate response. Wallace-Wells argues we need a multitude of solutions rather than a singular fix, while also pointing out the significant roles both the U.S. and China play in global emissions.

Apr 8, 2019 • 1h 5min
Recode Decode: Meredith Whittaker and Kate Crawford
Meredith Whittaker and Kate Crawford, founders of the AI Now Institute, dive deep into the societal implications of artificial intelligence. They discuss the dangers of 'dirty data' and biased search results that can skew AI conclusions. The importance of diversity in tech is highlighted, alongside the ethical concerns of technologies like facial recognition. They also critique current AI self-regulation efforts and explore international approaches, notably China's social credit system. Their insights underscore the need for transparency, accountability, and a more inclusive tech landscape.