
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

May 18, 2020 • 1h 3min
Recode Decode: Casey Newton and Louie Swisher
Tech reporter Casey Newton, known for his deep insights into Facebook's moderation, joins Louie Swisher, who reflects on his digital experiences during the pandemic. They dive into the rising influence of tech giants like Facebook and Amazon and discuss the complexities of remote learning. Newton shares the harrowing effects of content moderation on workers, leading to a notable settlement. The conversation also touches on the future of virtual interactions and the ongoing debate over the relevancy of movie theaters in a streaming-dominated world.

May 15, 2020 • 50min
Recode Decode: Jon Meacham
Jon Meacham, Pulitzer Prize-winning author and historian, shares his insights on resilience during crises in American history. He discusses his new podcast, highlighting the parallels between past events like the Great Depression and the 1918 flu pandemic with today's challenges. Meacham cautions against viewing history as simpler times, reflecting on the politicization of current issues and its implications for democracy. He also ponders Joe Biden’s potential impact and reveals what he's writing next, offering a thought-provoking perspective on the future of American leadership.

May 13, 2020 • 50min
Recode Decode: Maye Musk
In this engaging chat, Maye Musk, a seasoned model, dietitian, and author, discusses her memoir, offering insights on living beautifully and adventurously. She delves into ageism in modeling, the pitfalls of trendy diets, and her role as a supportive figure to her entrepreneurial children, including Elon Musk. Maye shares personal stories about resilience, adapting to challenges, and the significance of family during tough times. Plus, she contemplates the wild idea of joining Elon on a Mars mission!

May 11, 2020 • 54min
Recode Decode: Joe Walsh
Joe Walsh, a former Republican Congressman and author of "F*ck Silence," shares his journey from supporting Trump to challenging him during the 2020 primaries. He describes the Republican Party as a "cult" and discusses the true impact of Trump on future elections. Walsh believes the pandemic is awakening voters to the need for change and predicts a conservative third party led by disillusioned Republicans. He also stresses the importance of Biden selecting a well-known vice presidential candidate to galvanize support in the upcoming election.

May 8, 2020 • 1h 12min
Recode Decode: Scott Galloway
Scott Galloway, an NYU professor and co-host of Pivot, shares his insights on the disruptive potential in healthcare and higher education. He discusses his new show on Vice TV, shedding light on media’s evolving landscape, and critiques higher ed elitism while advocating for reforms like abolishing tenure. Galloway also anticipates how COVID-19 will reshape cities and industries, emphasizing the role of big tech in revolutionizing healthcare. The conversation is peppered with humor and personal reflections, making it both engaging and thought-provoking.

May 6, 2020 • 1h 6min
Recode Decode: Alexis Coe
Political historian Alexis Coe, author of the bestselling biography of George Washington, discusses her groundbreaking work and the misconceptions surrounding America's first president. She critiques traditional narratives shaped by male historians, revealing hidden truths about Washington's mother and his legacy as a slaver. The importance of libraries as cultural hubs is also highlighted, alongside Coe's exploration of the tragic love story of Alice and Frederica, demonstrating how biases skew historical remembrance.

May 4, 2020 • 59min
Recode Decode: Alex Kantrowitz
Alex Kantrowitz, a BuzzFeed News reporter and author of "Always Day One: How The Tech Titans Plan To Stay On Top Forever," dives into how major tech companies like Amazon and Apple adapt to challenges and stay innovative. He discusses the pandemic's impact on consumer relationships with tech giants and the potential for a labor movement. Kantrowitz also highlights TikTok's role in fostering creativity among youth and compares Apple's current situation to Microsoft under Steve Ballmer, emphasizing the need for educational reform over automation in the future of work.

May 1, 2020 • 1h 7min
Recode Decode: Ryan Murphy
Ryan Murphy, the renowned TV producer behind hits like Glee and American Horror Story, delves into his new Netflix miniseries, Hollywood, which reimagines postwar cinema through a lens of inclusivity. He shares insights on how shows have fostered LGBT acceptance and compares his experiences at Netflix versus traditional networks. Murphy also discusses the evolution of representation in media, the impact of COVID-19 on entertainment, and reflects on his youthful defiance during a road trip to New York in the 80s.

Apr 29, 2020 • 1h 11min
Recode Decode: Dave Asprey
Dave Asprey, the founder of Bulletproof and a pioneer in biohacking, shares fascinating insights into optimizing health. He discusses how his personal journey shaped the biohacking movement and the importance of personalized nutrition and sleep quality, claiming eight hours of sleep is 'garbage science.' Asprey also explores innovative treatments like cryotherapy, the role of meditation in wellness, and his ambitious goal of living to 180. His entertaining anecdotes invite listeners to rethink health trends and cultivate a more balanced life.

Apr 27, 2020 • 56min
Recode Decode: Nikole Hannah-Jones
Nikole Hannah-Jones, a New York Times Magazine reporter and creator of the 1619 Project, dives deep into how the COVID-19 pandemic has exposed and highlighted existing inequalities in the U.S. She discusses the often-overlooked struggles of essential workers and the urgent need for better pay and recognition. Hannah-Jones also explores the education and health disparities affecting Black and Latino communities, linking these issues to systemic racism and historical failures. Her insights spark a conversation about the necessary changes for a more equitable future.