
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

Nov 30, 2021 • 52min
How an Excel TikToker manifested her way to making six figures a day
Kat Norton, better known as Miss Excel, is a renowned Microsoft Excel influencer with over a million followers on TikTok and Instagram. In this episode, she discusses her phenomenal journey from consultant to educator, revealing how she manifests success. Kat shares her unique approach to social media and its role in her six-figure daily revenue. She dives into the importance of authenticity and creative strategies for audience engagement, alongside insights on balancing content creation, personal branding, and upcoming Excel courses.

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Nov 16, 2021 • 1h 14min
Why the future of work is the future of travel, with Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky
Brian Chesky, Co-founder and CEO of Airbnb, shares his unique vision for the future of work and travel. He discusses how the pandemic reshaped Airbnb, leading to a focus on community and seamless experiences. Chesky explores the company's shift to a centralized structure, emphasizing collaboration over division. He also reflects on Airbnb's evolving relationship with cities and the potential of virtual experiences, like NFTs and the metaverse, in travel. His innovative mindset offers a fresh perspective on what lies ahead for travel and hospitality.

Nov 9, 2021 • 1h 5min
Why charging phones is such a complex business, with Anker CEO Steven Yang
In a lively conversation, Steven Yang, CEO of Anker Innovations, discusses the evolution of his company from phone chargers to a tech accessory giant. He dives into the impacts of gallium nitride technology on efficiency and fast charging. The complexities of navigating Amazon's marketplace and the push for USB-C standards in Europe also take center stage. Yang shares insights on how consumer behavior is shaping the market and the importance of user experience design in tech products.

Nov 4, 2021 • 21min
The secrets of the first real smartphone, with Dieter Bohn
Dieter Bohn, Verge executive editor and creator of the documentary "Springboard," dives into the fascinating story of Handspring, a pioneering smartphone startup. He shares insights about the challenges it faced and the ambition of early innovators. Discover how Handspring's influence shaped modern mobile software and the Android ecosystem. Bohn also discusses the complexities of tech innovation and offers a sneak peek of an exclusive documentary clip that didn't make the final cut. Tune in for a riveting exploration of smartphone history!

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Nov 1, 2021 • 45min
Meta’s Andrew Bosworth on moving Facebook to the metaverse
Andrew Bosworth, Vice President of Reality Labs at Meta, dives into the bold rebranding of Facebook to Meta, centering around their vision for the metaverse. He discusses the journey from content moderation to the integration of AR and VR technologies. Bosworth reveals how they’re addressing user experience challenges, especially with changes to Oculus accounts and the role of blockchain and NFTs. He also shares insights on the innovations coming in AR glasses and the quest for a seamless, interoperable user experience in this new digital frontier.

Oct 26, 2021 • 1h 6min
Adobe's Scott Belsky on how NFTs will change creativity
Scott Belsky, Chief Product Officer at Adobe, dives into the transformative potential of NFTs for the creative economy. He discusses how Adobe's tools are evolving to enhance collaboration and creativity, including a new feature allowing creators to export art as NFTs. The conversation touches on the challenges of rapid technological changes and the balance between consumer-friendly and professional creative tools. Belsky also explores the importance of authenticity in digital art and the future of creativity in an increasingly algorithm-driven landscape.

Oct 19, 2021 • 1h 14min
How Jeep is going electric, with CEO Christian Meunier
Christian Meunier, the Global CEO of Jeep, dives into the brand's exciting electrification journey. He discusses Jeep's new hybrid Grand Cherokee and plans for a complete electric lineup by 2025. The conversation touches on the challenges posed by semiconductor shortages and the brand's balance of tradition with innovation. Meunier also shares insights on the cultural dialogue surrounding Jeep's use of the term “Cherokee.” Discover how the iconic brand navigates modern demands while maintaining its unique identity within the Stellantis umbrella.

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Oct 12, 2021 • 1h 17min
How Amazon runs Alexa, with Dave Limp
Dave Limp, Amazon's Senior Vice President of Devices and Services, oversees Alexa and related innovations. He explains how Amazon runs Alexa, selling Echo products at break-even while employing thousands of engineers. The shift from smartphones to ambient computing with voice interaction plays a crucial role in daily life, especially for younger users. Limp discusses Alexa's evolution and its competitive edge against other smart assistants, as well as how Amazon approaches product monetization and integrates innovations from acquired companies like Ring and Eero.

Oct 7, 2021 • 34min
Land of the Giants: This Changes Everything
Explore the profound shift in how we engage with technology, starting with Steve Jobs' iconic reveal of the iPhone in 2007. Discover how this multifaceted device transformed not just phones but entire lifestyles, ushering in the App Store era and new business models. Delve into the tug-of-war between digital dependency and mental well-being as one individual trades their smartphone for a simpler flip phone. Uncover the silent ways smartphones shape relationships and daily life, illustrating Apple's remarkable journey from niche maker to global tech titan.

Oct 5, 2021 • 37min
Waymo co-CEO Tekedra Mawakana on how to get self-driving taxis to the mall
Tekedra Mawakana, co-CEO of Waymo, is at the forefront of self-driving technology and urban mobility. She discusses the exciting journey of deploying autonomous taxis in cities, tackling regulatory hurdles, and the challenges of real-world testing. The conversation dives into the impact of Tesla's self-driving features and how they complicate industry perceptions. Mawakana also shares insights on partnerships with car manufacturers and innovative designs that anticipate a new era of transportation, redefining how we view mobility in our everyday lives.