
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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May 12, 2023 • 42min
Exclusive: Google’s Sundar Pichai talks Search, AI, and dancing with Microsoft
Sundar Pichai, CEO of Alphabet and Google, shares insights on the transformative era of AI and its implications for search technology. He reflects on Google’s pioneering role in AI and discusses the fierce competition from Microsoft and OpenAI. Pichai highlights how generative AI could reshape user experiences and the search landscape, addressing both innovative applications and ethical concerns. He also reveals the reorganization within Google, merging DeepMind and Google Brain, as part of their ongoing commitment to AI advancement and reliability.

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May 9, 2023 • 1h 4min
I can't make products just for 41 year old tech founders," Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky on taking it back to the basics
Brian Chesky, Co-founder and CEO of Airbnb, discusses his innovative approach to reshaping travel and work post-pandemic. He highlights Airbnb's renewed focus on affordable room rentals and the new 'host passport' feature aimed at enhancing community connections. Chesky reflects on the company's structural changes aimed at agility and effectiveness. He shares insights on authentic leadership, effective crisis management, and the evolving tech landscape, including the importance of personalization and AI in creating user-friendly experiences.

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May 2, 2023 • 1h 11min
The social media age for news is over. Former BuzzFeed News editor Ben Smith on what’s next
In this conversation with Ben Smith, the former editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed News and co-founder of Semafor, they delve into the decline of social media as a credible news source. Ben touches on the closure of BuzzFeed News and its implications for journalism. He shares insights on evolving media consumption, the rise of newsletters, and challenges in digital advertising. They also explore the lessons learned from BuzzFeed that shape his approach at Semafor, highlighting the importance of building an engaged audience over chasing traffic.

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Apr 25, 2023 • 51min
Bitcoin is still the future of payments, says Lightspark CEO David Marcus
David Marcus, CEO of Lightspark and former Meta and PayPal executive, shares insights on Bitcoin's role in future payments. He discusses the launch of a new service utilizing the Lightning Network for fast Bitcoin transactions. The conversation touches on the challenges faced by previous initiatives like Libra and emphasizes the need for sustainable crypto solutions. Marcus explores innovative concepts like streaming money and how they could revolutionize content monetization while addressing regulatory hurdles and the complexities of user engagement with the Lightning Network.

Apr 18, 2023 • 1h 11min
Brightdrop isn’t just selling electric vans — it's redesigning delivery
Travis Katz, CEO of BrightDrop and a visionary in delivery systems, discusses reimagining logistics with electric vehicles and innovative software. He highlights partnerships with giants like FedEx and Walmart for their Zevo 600 van. Katz explores how BrightDrop can improve last-mile delivery efficiency with e-carts, tackling the growing demand without overwhelming city infrastructures. He shares insights on merging traditional corporate structures with startup agility and the transformative potential of sustainable delivery solutions in a rapidly evolving market.

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Apr 13, 2023 • 1h 8min
Is Substack Notes a ‘Twitter clone’? We asked CEO Chris Best.
Chris Best, Co-founder and CEO of Substack, discusses the recent launch of Substack Notes, drawing comparisons to Twitter amidst competitive tensions. He shares insights about the platform's shift from enterprise software to consumer-focused products. Best reflects on the challenges of content moderation, emphasizing a unique subscription model that prioritizes community. Delving into algorithms, he contrasts Substack’s user-centric approach with traditional ad-driven platforms, highlighting the importance of trust and financial transparency in nurturing writers and their audiences.

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Apr 4, 2023 • 1h 5min
Watching Silicon Valley Bank melt down from the front row with Brex CEO Henrique Dubugras
Henrique Dubugras, the 27-year-old co-founder and CEO of Brex, shares his front-row seat experience during the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank. He discusses Brex's rapid transformation from a corporate card provider to a vital financial services platform. Dubugras reflects on the panic-driven nature of the crisis, the unique opportunities it presented for neobanks, and how digital banking reshaped customer behavior. His insights reveal the shifting landscape of the startup ecosystem and the innovative future of fintech.

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Mar 31, 2023 • 1h 11min
The surprisingly complex business of toys, with Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks
Chris Cocks, CEO of Hasbro, dives into the intricate world of toys and games. He discusses the shifting landscape of adult consumers and how it's reshaping Hasbro's strategies. Cocks shares insights on navigating crises, like fan backlash over game licenses and the balance between monetization and community sentiment. He emphasizes the evolution of iconic brands like Magic: The Gathering and Dungeons & Dragons, while also exploring new product innovations aimed at passionate fandoms. A lifelong gamer, he illustrates the blend of creativity and data-driven strategy in the toy industry.

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Mar 28, 2023 • 1h 19min
Can Mastodon seize the moment from Twitter?
Eugen Rochko, Founder and CEO of Mastodon, explores the platform's unique position as a decentralized alternative to Twitter. He shares insights on user empowerment through server selection and the challenges of scaling such an open-source network. The conversation dives into the balance of governance, the realities of funding, and the complexities of community engagement. Rochko discusses the risks of venture capital and the necessity of transparent moderation policies, while hinting at upcoming features that could enhance user experience.

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Mar 23, 2023 • 1h 2min
How to play the long game, with New York Times CEO Meredith Kopit Levien
Meredith Kopit Levien, CEO of The New York Times, leads the conversation on the evolution of this iconic institution, which has shifted to a subscription model, resembling services like Netflix. She discusses the success of NYT Cooking and Games, and the strategic acquisition of Wordle. The dialogue explores reaching diverse audiences in a polarized climate, the importance of direct relationships with readers, and the challenges of innovation in journalism and technology. Kopit Levien emphasizes maintaining journalistic integrity while fostering a thriving digital landscape.