Red pill-ers! Trad gender roles! Manly men, rawr! With an introduction like that, you’d be forgiven for thinking that Anne and I had joined the manosphere. No worries there. Instead, Anne has found a male ally who is making modest but meaningful inroads with cishet dudes, specifically the ones prone to tumbling down rabbit holes of toxic masculinity and misogyny. And his tool of choice is peer-reviewed, evidence-based research. Meet Neil Shyminsky. By day, he’s an English professor at a community college in Canada. But by night. Professor Neil, as he’s known on most socials, is a content creator focusing on social theory and masculinity.  GUEST BIO Neil Shyminsky (he/him) is an English professor at a community college by day, currently teaching courses on Contemporary Literature and Human Sexuality. By night, he’s a content creator who talks mostly about social theory and masculinity, specializing in refuting the misogynist arguments coming out of the Manosphere. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

I totally started this podcast on a whim––but not without a keen understanding of the pain points that group practice owners routinely encounter complain about. I’ve since realized that vital voices are missing from the conversation: group practice employees.  I extended an invitation via the BOPO Chicago Facebook group. Lucky for us, Andie Baumgartner, MA, LCPC, and Nadia Parfenova, MA, LCPC, owner and senior therapist, respectively, of Rowan Tree Counseling, answered that call. This convo is juicy, y’all!  We explore themes of responsibility, transparency, and intentionality from both sides of the group practice relationship. Our detour into the thorny subject of hierarchies and the urgency that often accompanies their abolishment is one that I didn’t anticipate yet totally appreciate.  GUEST BIO Andie Baumgartner, MA, LCPC (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor and has been working in the mental health field since 2008. She completed graduate training and received a Masters Degree from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Andie began her career working in residential and community mental health settings, gaining experience working with individuals seeking relief from anxiety, depression, and bipolar disorder. She’s also worked extensively with clients recovering from traumatic experiences. She specializes in working with individuals seeking a greater sense of balance, who want to live a more values-aligned life, and those struggling with non-monogamous and other alternative relationships. Andie is anti-racist, Queer-allied, sex-positive, polyamory-affirming, and kink-knowledgable. Nadia Parfenova, MA, LCPC (she/her) is a Licensed Professional Counselor and completed graduate training in Clinical Psychology at Roosevelt University in 2019. She has experience working with teens and adults experiencing severe anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and eating disorders in partial hospitalization, intensive outpatient, and outpatient settings. Nadia has also worked with individuals with autism spectrum disorder and those healing from traumatic experiences. Her approach to therapy is integrative as she pulls from both more directive approaches (CBT, DBT) and client-centered guidance and support to treat anxiety, depression, behavioral issues, trauma, relationship concerns, and self-esteem issues. Nadia is also well-versed in ERP and has found it particularly successful in supporting individuals struggling with OCD. She is a native Russian speaker and can provide therapy in Russian and English. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

For the sake of mutual safety, this episode is preceded by a content advisory regarding sexual trauma and minor-attracted persons. Please take care of yourself as you need, even if that means skipping this conversation. Your body belongs to YOU. I open with this power-stance of a statement because I didn’t get that message as a child, adolescent, or young adult. In fact, I’ve only just begun to really grow into that knowledge as I heal from sexual trauma. Here’s another a-ha! from this episode: healing takes time.  I’m grateful to folks like Dr. Lori Beth Bisbey for repeatedly reminding me of these essentials. She has been a champion of sizzling sex without shame for 35+ years, and her work destigmatizes fetishes, BDSM, and non-monogamy. Lori Beth’s healing journey also provides encouragement for survivors of sexual trauma alongside a healthy dose of reality. GUEST BIO Dr. Lori Beth Bisbey (she/her) is a psychologist, accredited advanced GSRD (gender, sex, relationship diversity) therapist, sex & intimacy coach, author, speaker and tv personality currently starring in Open House: The Great Sex Experiment, CH4 in the UK.  She has been working with people for the past 35 years helping them to create and sustain their ideal relationships containing sizzling sex without shame. She has a weekly podcast, The A to Z Of Sex® since 2016 and is currently touring the UK speaking about kink, fetish, BDsM, and non-monogamy. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Who would have thought that practice ownership involved so much feces?! Now that I have your attention, lemme explain. Actually, I’ll let my guest, Bianka Hardin, PsyD, explain since it’s her story.  Bianka owns Centered Therapy Chicago (CTC), a 10-year-old group practice with 20 clinicians on staff. Her hilarious (and gross) tale perfectly illustrates the literal and metaphorical sh*t that practicer owners must deal with. Here’s the thing, though: while practice owners do have to take care of a lot, they don’t have to do it all. Bianka urges practice owners to consider the true value of their talents and weigh that against the cost of having to take on other tasks. GUEST BIO Bianka Hardin, PsyD., (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist and owner of Centered Therapy Chicago, PLLC. She started CTC in 2014 with the mission to help children, adolescents, and adults improve their mental health and quality of life. She has been a trauma therapist for almost 25 years and is actively involved in her continuous learning and growth in this area from a personal and professional lens. She is very interested in cultural, systemic, and intergenerational factors that impact our health and well-being. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

If you’re a white therapist, you could quickly tumble down a rabbit hole trying to reconcile all the work that’s ours to do regarding power dynamics within our field. There’s a detour that we, as white folks, are rarely required to explore: our relationship to whiteness.  I’ll save you some time by recommending Anne’s conversation with Eugene Ellis, the UK-based psychotherapist, speaker, director of the Black, African, and Asian Therapy Network (BAATN), and author of the transformative book The Race Conversation (soon to be republished in the US). “Eugene’s “therapist origin story” is a perfect example of white therapists' potential to be active agents of support,” explains Anne. This is only possible when we acknowledge our potential to be active agents of hurt. GUEST BIO Eugene Ellis, psychotherapist, writer, and public speaker, has dedicated 20 years as the director and founder of the Black, African, and Asian Therapy Network, specializing in therapeutic work with Black, African, Caribbean, and South Asian individuals. Author of 'The Race Conversation' (2021), he delves into the intersection of race and trauma, non-verbal communication, and navigating oppressive patterns. Co-editor of 'Therapy In Colour' (2023), Eugene contributes to articulating new theoretical perspectives for therapists, both white and of colour, supporting therapy through an intersectional lens. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness    

Who's ready for a very special call-in episode about practice ownership? Cast your mind back to the heyday of Loveline. I apologize if you're not of that vintage, as that's my only call-in show reference.  Are you, Dear Practice Owner, ready to stop chasing unrealistic goals, embody an anti-racist liberation mindset? Are you all set to own your weaknesses and strengths? OK, let's get into this virtual mailbag! I've queued up two juicy questions plus one affirmation that every practice owner should have copied to a desktop sticky or irl fridge notepad. A word about my topic choices first. I chose these specifically because they're often repeated in the practice ownership conversations I've been privy to lately. And, full disclosure: I’ve agonized over the very same issues. If you have a burning question or a topic that you'd like to hear discussed on this series, email me at sarah@headheartbiztherapy.com or send me a DM on Instagram @headheartbiztherapy. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Whiteness is the problem. Many white folks know it; many more don’t. Or won’t. None of us are at the same point in the journey, yet all of us play a role in dismantling this inherited concept of racial identity. So, how can we nurture discovery, recovery, and anti-racist action without replicating the same judgments, shame, or gaslighting that whiteness thrives on?  Shelly Tochluk doesn’t have all the answers. Instead, she offers practical advice, road-tested in her own life, to help white folks move beyond the performative and into a genuinely anti-racist life.  GUEST BIO Shelly Tochluk is a professor of education at Mount Saint Mary’s University–Los Angeles. She is the author of Witnessing Whiteness: The Journey Toward Racial Awareness and Antiracist Action (3rd Edition), Living in the Tension: The Quest for a Spiritualized Racial Justice, and co-author of Being White Today: A Roadmap for a Positive Antiracist Life. Shelly volunteers with AWARE-LA (Alliance of White Anti-Racists Everywhere-Los Angeles), and for 15 years, she co-produced their 4-day institute, Unmasking Whiteness, which leads white people into a deeper understanding of their personal relationship to race, whiteness, and systemic racism. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show, and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness    

Being a practice owner isn't *all* bad. The folks who do it well just know how to set industrial-strength boundaries. Not me, but some folks…like Alicia Taverner, LMFT, owner of Rancho Counseling in California. Private practice ownership is Alicia's jam. How is that possible, you ask? There's keeping the practice small and cash-only. While this may astonish some, Alicia shrugs off their incredulity. She also fully recognizes the value of her personal and professional time and has set super clear priorities: work-life balance and ample opportunity to train the therapists in her care.  If you have a burning question or a topic that you'd like to hear discussed on this series, email me at sarah@headheartbiztherapy.com or send me a DM on Instagram @headheartbiztherapy. GUEST BIO Alicia Taverner is a licensed Marriage & Family Therapist, #50414, with a Bachelor's Degree in Speech Communications from the University of La Verne, and a Master's Degree in Clinical Psychology from Pepperdine University.  Alicia specializes in helping couples find the calm within the storm of some of the most difficult relationship struggles, such as infidelity, divorce, and postpartum anxiety and depression. She is also a trained Discernment Counselor and helps couples explore options for continuing their relationship despite some very heavy challenges. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Having a uterus and ovaries isn’t for the faint of heart. Just when we’ve figured out how to successfully navigate (or at least tolerate) periods and possibly pregnancy, the body decides to school us once more. Giulietta Durante, the nutritionist and women’s health expert behind Hormones In Harmony and one-half of the Femme Powered Podcast team, wants folks to get curious about how their menstrual cycle can help them access the most complete version of themself via hormone-healing nutrition.  Anne’s conversation with Giulietta truly is for all gender expressions.  GUEST BIO Giulietta Durante is a Nutritionist & Women’s Health Expert based in London. She is a member of the British Association for Applied Nutrition and Nutritional Therapy (BANT) and is registered with the Complementary and Natural Healthcare Council (CNHC). She works with clients all over the world via Zoom, Skype and WhatsApp video. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram:  @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

There’s a thin line between burden and bliss when you own a group practice. Rebel Therapist™ creator Annie Schuessler didn’t realize she’d crossed it until she weighed her past motivations against her ownership experience. Annie joins me to discuss assuming the risks of practice ownership, the importance of having a supportive bestie, and predictions for the future of the group practice model. GUEST BIO Annie Schuessler is a business coach and the host of the Rebel Therapist® Podcast. With her Rebel Therapist® Programs, she helps therapists, healers and coaches make an impact beyond a traditional private practice. You can find her resources at rebeltherapist.me Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers  Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram:  @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness