I know from burnout, that combination of bone-deep mental, physical, and emotional exhaustion that manifests in feelings of overwhelm, joylessness, and desperation. Sadly, you probably do, too. Anne's unexpectedly musical convo with author and choir director Amelia Nagoski, DMA, is the burnout primer we all need: the science behind it, the antidote for it, and why women experience it differently than men. Because, of course, we do. Amelia shares the good/bad news from her book Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle, which she co-wrote alongside her twin sister Emily Nagoski, PhD. GUEST BIO Amelia Nagoski, D.M.A., was an Associate Professor and Coordinator of Music at Western New England University. She co-authored the New York Times bestseller Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle with her sister Emily Nagoski, Ph.D. Amelia's work involves helping singers connect with their internal experiences through dynamic techniques. She lives in New England with her husband, one cat, and two rescue dogs. AUTHENTIC LEADERS GROUP  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Welcome to the reckoning––mine, not yours. I made dozens (hundreds?) of mistakes as a practice owner, and while I can’t take any of them back, this series is a way of paying my accountability forward.  Jenna Alfaro, LCSW, CADC, is here to hold me to that promise. She’s a former employee of mine and, while our professional association didn’t end Bravo-Reunion-Special bad, its demise does confirm my blindspots (onboarding, task delegation). It also illustrates where Jenna might have claimed more agency. GUEST BIO Jenna Alfaro, LCSW, CADC, specializes in trauma, substance abuse, and psychotic disorders. Jenna is passionate about shifting the pulse of mental health care to a holistic model of wellness.  AUTHENTIC LEADERS GROUP  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness    

TLDR: Elder wisdom is essential to our revolution. That’s it, that’s the episode. But my guest deserves the elaboration and accolades of a full summary––as do many of the folks who came before us in work and life. Harry J. Aponte, Ph.D., is a legend for many reasons. However, this OG coalition-builder and advocate for culturally informed care is probably best known in professional psychology circles for developing The Person of the Therapist Training Model, which has become a cornerstone of his professional philosophy. I’m honored to share Harry’s fascinating origin story and anecdotes from his amazing career with y'all.  GUEST BIO Harry J. Aponte, Ph.D., was born in the United States to Puerto Rican parents, he earned his Master's in Social Work from Fordham University in 1959. His career took a significant turn when he began working with Sal Minuchin at the Philadelphia Child Guidance Clinic, eventually becoming the Clinic's Director. He has delivered lectures across Europe, South America, Korea, and throughout the United States. Additionally, he is the author of several influential books and is currently in private practice. Early in his career, he developed a keen interest in leveraging therapists’ personal life experiences to connect with clients, understand their issues, and apply these insights in therapeutic work. This approach, known as Person of the Therapist Training, has become a cornerstone of his professional philosophy. AUTHENTIC LEADERS GROUP  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

I am the mother of many things: plant babies, doggos, and multiple podcasts. I’ve also birthed several businesses and quite a few artistic endeavors. But I’m not mama to any little humans. So, when Rachael Sytsma-Ramos, Psy.D, suggested an episode focusing on the dynamics of practice ownership and parenting, I was instantly intrigued.  Rachael is mama to two children under five (!!), the founder of Relational Psychology Group, where she also manages a full caseload of 22-24 clients per week beyond typical ownership duties like marketing, bill paying, and supervising.  GUEST BIO Rachael Sytsma-Ramos (she/her) is a Clinical Psychologist in the Chicagoland area and mom of 2. Her primary clinical specialties are working with queer and transgender/gender-diverse clients, polyamorous/ethical non-monogamy relationships, and neurodivergent clients. Sprinkle in women's issues, intimate partner violence, and sexual abuse survivors and that's her typical clientele. She practices from a feminist-relational lens and is hell-bent on dismantling systems of oppression with her clients. AUTHENTIC LEADERS GROUP  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

It’s easy to forget that siblings have stories uniquely their own. They may share similar childhood memories as you, but their narratives will differ wildly. Blended families, like Anne’s, hold an added layer of complexity.  How lucky for us that she and her step-sibling Al Cho, MSW, agreed to record this fascinating chat for family posterity. Their conversation highlights the very best of familial support. It also reminds us that even the most connected kin can’t completely insulate us from life’s challenges or the healing work that’s meant for us. GUEST BIO Al Cho (he/they) is an MSW and a co-investigator on LGBTQIA2+ aging and advocacy in Columbus, Ohio. He develops intergenerational LGBTQIA2+ programming focused on arts & resilience and contributes to advocacy efforts on trans aging in long-term care facilities and creating equitable aging environments for African American older adults.  AL would like to extend his heartfelt gratitude to the Age Friendly Innovation Center, Dr. Holly Dabelko-Schoeny, and Christine Happel. Their invaluable support, guidance, and expertise have been instrumental throughout his research process. The Age Friendly Innovation Center has been a beacon of knowledge and innovation, helping to navigate the complexities of aging through advocacy, research, and interventions. Christine Happel, in particular, has been an incredible partner, offering their guidance, encouragement, and deep understanding of the field. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Experience matters. Whether you’re a member of a group practice or on your own, a background in different levels of mental health care ultimately supports your future professional development.  Aaron Karmin, LCPC, is a 360º type of practitioner who’s worked in research departments, as an intake specialist, a telephone counselor, an experiential counselor (think: whitewater rafting for teens), a grad student supervisor, and a solo therapist. Aaron’s thoughtful insights are a welcome counterpoint to the frenetic changes taking place in our profession. GUEST BIO Aaron Karmin LCPC, (he/him) is the owner of Karmin Counseling, a Gottman Seven Principles Educator, and holds an advanced certification in stress management. He’s also the author of Instant Anger Management and The Anger Management Workbook for Men and has worked at every level of mental healthcare. His approach focuses on identifying physical cues, recognizing thoughts, considering consequences, implementing solutions, choosing behaviors, and promoting expression. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness 

It’s ANNE-versary time! A celebration of Anne Remy’s first year as co-host. OK, by any other name, it’s a clips show. But! We’re not subjecting our Wounded Healer audience to rote commentary on an endless scroll of episodes. Instead, we’ve cherry-picked the very best a-ha! moments from our favorite conversations. As a whole, they represent Anne’s personal and professional growth over the past year. FEATURED EPISODES Sarah Buino - Sharing The Vision, Expanding The World With Our New Co-Host Anne Remy Dr. Isha McKenzie-Mavinga - Bringing Compassionate Accountability To White-Dominated Therapy Spaces  Wandile Mthiyane - Anti-Racist Architecture and Inclusive Workplace Culture Dr. Cheddar Gorgeous - A Cultural Icon’s Guide to Courageous Connections and the Healing Power of Drag John Gasienica - A Revolutionary Approach to Disrupting Chronic Pain With Pain Reprocessing Therapy SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Virtual meet-cutes are my jam. Vilmarie Fraguada Narloch, PsyD, and I bonded on IG over our shared love for collaborative music-making and the radical regeneration of the group practice blueprint. She’s the amazing co-founder of Sana Healing Collective in Chicago, a non-profit committed to individualized, client-led approaches to psychedelic-assisted therapy for everyone, especially those most affected by the war on drugs.  If you’re curious about the collective decision-making process, earnings potential, and 501(c)(3) of it all (and, even if you’re not), this convo will shift your perspective on what’s possible beyond the bounds of our current group practice model. GUEST BIO Vilmarie Fraguada Narloch, PsyD. (she/her/ella) is a licensed psychologist focusing on integrated treatment of co-occurring mental health and substance use disorders. She is an activist working to end the War on Drugs and advocates for science and reality-based drug education and harm reduction approaches for all. She approaches her work from a harm-reductionist and humanistic lens, focusing on the individual needs of the person, group, or community. She received a certificate in psychedelic therapies and research from the California Institute of Integral Studies in 2018. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness    

Janina Fisher, a licensed clinical psychologist and a leading authority on trauma, shares her insights on today's therapy landscape. She tackles the rise of TikTok diagnoses and critiques capitalism's grip on evidence-based therapies. Janina emphasizes the importance of therapists doing their own healing work and discusses the nuances of trauma origins, especially in childhood. The conversation explores evolving methodologies in trauma therapy, advocating for personalized approaches over standardized ones, all while highlighting the need for continued support among therapists.

Happy clinicians are vital to a thriving practice, especially since not every therapist is interested in being a sole proprietor. So, how do owners navigate the tricky mechanics of operating a business while providing meaningful group guidance without losing their sh*t? Good question. Enter Cassandra Greenwald, LCSW, CADC, of Rowan Tree Counseling, with heartfelt answers for employees and owners. We poke at some tender spots: an owner’s right to privacy vs an employee’s desire for transparency, individual ambitions vs collective objectives, and the financial realities of operating within a capitalist economy. GUEST BIO Cassandra Greenwald, LCSW, CADC (she/they) is a therapist, writer maker, relationship builder, and connector first raised on the East Coast, then watered and grown in the picturesque.Pacific Northwest, and currently settled in the great city of Chicago. Cassandra works hard every day to be the queer feminist, anti-capitalist, social justice warrior of conservative nightmares. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here’s How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah’s Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne’s Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness