

GTM Live
Passetto
GTM Live is a new evolution of Revenue Vitals by Chris Walker, now hosted by Carolyn Dilks & Trevor Gibson, Co-Founders of Passetto — a part tech, part advisory GTM agency for high-performing B2B SaaS companies.
This weekly live show is built for CEOs, CFOs & Revenue Leaders who know the current way GTM is executed & measured is broken, and are ready for something better.
We cut through the noise & ditch outdated playbooks. No fluff. No vanity metrics. Just honest, modern conversations about how to track & optimize GTM for what actually matters: unit economics, efficiency & long-term growth.
This weekly live show is built for CEOs, CFOs & Revenue Leaders who know the current way GTM is executed & measured is broken, and are ready for something better.
We cut through the noise & ditch outdated playbooks. No fluff. No vanity metrics. Just honest, modern conversations about how to track & optimize GTM for what actually matters: unit economics, efficiency & long-term growth.
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Dec 20, 2020 • 27min
86 - Use Short Term Metrics without Letting them Overrule Your Strategy | AMA
We hosted another AMA using the questions you've asked us on LinkedIn. Listen in to hear Chris’s answers in regards to podcast advertising, why all MQLs are NOT created equal, what types of ads you should run instead of Get a Demo ads, and converting high-intent leads. We'll be running with this format one more time before the year ends.
If you have any questions you want us to answer either here or on Demand Gen Live, submit them to DGL@refinelabs.com.
For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.
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Dec 16, 2020 • 1h 15min
85 - The "Marketing Death Wish" | Demand Gen Live S2 x11
We opened up the chat to questions early this week on Demand Gen Live with Chris Walker and Megan Bowen. They answered questions regarding Facebook audience targeting and campaign structures, podcast distribution, and how to measure marketers if not on channel metrics.
For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.
Tired of just listening?
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Dec 15, 2020 • 31min
84 - What Marketers Should and Should Not Be Doing in 2021 | AMA
We’ve been getting a ton of questions submitted via email and on LinkedIn and are trying out this new format to keep up with the volume. In this session we answered questions about what marketers should be doing instead of virtual trade shows, why the traditional webinar as we know it is outdated, and how to get executives on board when experimenting with brand activities.
If you have questions you’d like Chris to answer, send them to DGL@refinelabs.com

Dec 9, 2020 • 1h 24min
83 - Why Google Gets More Credit Than It Deserves | Demand Gen Live S2 x10
"Whether or not your content marketing will be successful comes down to your INTENT." On this installment of Demand Gen Live Season 2, Chris and Megan talked about why direct response demo ads don't work, why Google gets more credit than it actually deserves, and how to choose the right company to work for as a demand marketer. We opened up the floor to a live AMA and answered questions relating to intent, paid social targeting, retargeting, and organic content.

Dec 6, 2020 • 39min
82 - A Marketer in Sales’ Shoes | Sales IQ Podcast
Chris was interviewed by Luigi Prestinenzi (Co-Founder and Head of Growth @ Sales IQ Group) on the Sales IQ podcast. They talked about how important it is for marketers to have sales conversations and frame results to your executives to get things done. Chris also talks about how not all MQLs are created equal and how different lead sources close at vastly different rates.

Dec 2, 2020 • 1h 47min
81 - Why Changing From Lead-Based to Account-Based May Not Fix Your Marketing | Demand Gen Live S2 x09
Chris Walker was back for Demand Gen Live this week and co-hosted the installment with Megan Bowen. They covered: Key steps Refine Labs took to create market demand; How marketers can develop business acumen; and Why changing from lead-based to account-based may not fix your marketing. We also hosted a live AMA and answered questions submitted live and in advance from our audience.
For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.
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Nov 29, 2020 • 45min
80 - Marketing Runs the Business | Cassidy Shield (VP of Marketing, Narrative Science)
Chris Walker hosted Cassidy Shield on State of Demand Gen to talk about marketing in 2021. The pandemic has forced companies to focus on CREATING demand, not just capturing it. Cassidy shared his insights on how they know what’s working and what’s not, and how to reevaluate current channels and repurpose them for new objectives.

Nov 23, 2020 • 49min
79 - Why Influenced Revenue is a Dangerous Game | Kyle Lacy (CMO, Lessonly)
"If you can figure out how to scale culture, it will be way easier for you to win." Chris hosted Kyle Lacy (CMO of Lessonly) on State of Demand Gen. They jammed on how to measure your demand team, getting rid of the lead goal, ditching metrics when it comes to brand activities, and scaling culture.
For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.
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Nov 21, 2020 • 53min
78 - Market the Way You Buy | The Marketing Millennials with Daniel Murray
"Market the way you buy." Daniel Murray hosted Chris Walker on The Marketing Millennials podcast the other day. They talked about how buyers have changed over the past 10 years, what it really means to be buyer-centric, what marketers should be measuring and reporting on, and the only 2 cases in which Chris will run direct response campaigns.
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Nov 18, 2020 • 1h 22min
77 - Not All MQLs Are Created Equal | Demand Gen Live S2 x07
Chris Walker and Megan Bowen hosted Demand Gen Live again and tackled several detailed questions submitted in advance and live from our audience. Some of the topics we covered include: Why you should stop measuring marketing influenced revenue; LinkedIn spam; Marketing regression; How to create true buying intent; and Why not all MQLs and SQOs are created equal.
For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.
Tired of just listening?
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