
Invisible Machines podcast by UX Magazine
UX Magazine presents the Invisible Machines podcast.
Conversational AI is going everywhere. Join great conversations with experts in a podcast about AI agents, conversational AI and organizational artificial general intelligence (OAGI), covering the intersection of UX, business, technology and design.
Robb Wilson and Josh Tyson, authors of Age Of Invisible Machines, the first bestselling book about the agentic approach to software and conversational AI, envisioned the moment we’re in with ChatGPT and the AI revolution. Join in as they continue their discussion with leading thinkers and doers.
Latest episodes

Nov 16, 2023 • 1h 16min
Designing Systemic Change with Sheryl Cababa // Invisible Machines S2E21
Discussing systemic change with Sheryl Cababa, they explore educational challenges, algorithms in systems, technology's role in healthcare and education inequities, AI decision-making in systemic issues, and the importance of systems design in technology and design thinking.

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Nov 10, 2023 • 52min
How AI is Disrupting the VC World, with Jake Saper // Invisible Machines S2E20
In a moment when unprecedented amounts of money are flowing toward projects involving AI, Robb and Josh welcome Jake Saper for a lively exploration of the VC mindset. Since 2003, Emergence Capital has invested in companies collectively worth $450B+, including Salesforce, Box, Yammer, and Zoom. As a General Partner, Jake has embraced the transformative power of generative AI. This conversation explores many different ways these technologies are impacting investor thinking as software becomes cheaper and easier to create.

Nov 2, 2023 • 48min
Brad Stulberg, Bestselling author: Master of Change // Invisible Machines S2E19
Brad Stulberg, bestselling author, discusses the impact of AI on individuals, organizations, and society. Topics include rugged flexibility mindset, adaptability in the face of new technologies, work as a source of meaning, core values in navigating change, and the impact of social media on human connectivity.

Oct 26, 2023 • 1h 17min
Cammy Crolic, Oxford Professor, researching human behavior // Invisible Machines S2E18
Cammy Crolic, Oxford Professor, researching human behavior, discusses hedonic escalation, anthropomorphization, and the impact of human-like bots on consumer behavior. She explores how complexity and personalization in conversational AI affect enjoyment and engagement. The podcast also delves into unintended consequences of diet composition, negative outcomes of anthropomorphizing chatbots, the use of anger in customer interactions, and the evolving expectations of consumers for chatbots.

Oct 19, 2023 • 1h 12min
Ben Goertzel, popularized the term 'AGI' // Invisible Machines S2E17
Robb and Josh welcome Ben Goertzel for a deep exploration of the narrow AIs we are quickly growing accustomed to and our fraught transition to artificial general intelligence, or singularity. As the founder and CEO of SingularityNET, Ben has been working to democratize access to artificial intelligence through decentralization. He's also a leader of both the OpenCog Foundation and the AGI Society, having helped to popularize the term 'artificial general intelligence'. Topics in this episode include balancing design near-term design concerns—like anthropomorphization—against more consequential issues, such as who will control these systems and how they will interact with humanity.

Oct 12, 2023 • 1h 34min
David Bingham, Director of User Experience at Schneider Electric // Invisible Machines S2E16
Robb and Josh welcome David Bingham for an exploration of design and conversational AI, from our homes, to our workplaces, to industrial settings. David is a senior experience design executive who’s held positions at GE and Workday and is currently Director of User Experience at Schneider Electric (named one of Fortune’s Most Desirable Companies four years running and deemed the world’s most sustainable company in 2021). The trio discusses the uncanny valley in conversational AI, the true shape and purpose of digital twins, and updating CRUD (adding "seek" to create, read, update, and delete).

Oct 5, 2023 • 1h 4min
Yoav Shoham, Stanford Professor, AI21 Labs Co-Founder // Invisible Machines S2E15
Robb and Josh welcome industry veteran Yoav Shoham for a thoughtful examination of the inner-workings of AI. As the co-founder of AI21 labs and a former professor in the Computer Science Department of Stanford University, Yoav has a rich history of working with these technologies and thinking through some of their more profound applications. This thoughtful discussion examines just how much the ways we live and work might begin to change as we become further intertwined with AI.

Sep 28, 2023 • 1h 23min
Shep Hyken, Bestselling author and CX expert // Invisible Machines S2E14
Robb and Josh welcome Shep Hyken for a conversation about the evolution of customer experience and the role AI will take in moving it forward. As a sought-after keynote speaker and the bestselling author of numerous books, including "Be Amazing or Go Home," Shep has a deep understanding of what companies are up against when it comes to creating truly dynamic experiences. This lively discussion explores those constraints as well as the massive possibilities new technologies have unlocked.

Sep 21, 2023 • 1h 54min
Mike Lee, food futurist & innovation consultant // Invisible Machines S2E13
Robb and Josh welcome food futurist Mike Lee for a sprawling and fascinating exploration of the surprisingly similar worlds of food safety and technology regulation. As the founder of The Future Market, a consultancy in food innovation and strategy, Mike's investigations into the food industry led to hands-on work with generative AI. This conversation provides forward thinking in how we might regulate the unpredictable and now ubiquitous generative tools flooding into all industries and aspects of life.

Sep 14, 2023 • 1h 5min
Cassie Kozyrkov, Google's first Chief Decision Scientist // Invisible Machines S2E12
Cassie Kozyrkov, Former Chief Decision Scientist at Google, discusses the limitations of data and the need to put a face on technology. They explore the evolution of prompts, the fallacy of data as god, and the distinction between thinking and thunking in different professions. They also emphasize the importance of collaboration, measuring and evaluating technology, and responsible AI use.