Up Arrow Podcast

Erik Christiansen is the Co-founder and CEO of Justuno, a conversion optimization SaaS platform. With over 20 years of experience in e-commerce and tech, he specializes in sustainable growth and product development. Before co-founding Justuno, Erik scaled Sierra Snowboard from $0 to over $20 million in annual revenue.  In this episode… Many website visitors leave without purchasing, and abandoned carts represent millions in lost revenue for e-commerce brands. Even as traffic and ad spend grow, conversion rates often stagnate, and customer acquisition costs continue to rise. How can online retailers capture more value from existing website traffic? According to e-commerce expert and entrepreneur Erik Christiansen, improving on-site conversions can unlock immediate revenue gains. His three-step revenue approach, which includes capturing, identifying, and converting leads, prioritizes real-time engagement, visitor segmentation, and actionable promotions. Additionally, techniques like cart abandonment campaigns, shopper preference pop-ups, and high-quality SMS collections boost conversions and strengthen margins by maximizing the lifetime value of each visitor. In this week’s episode of the Up Arrow Podcast, William Harris chats with Erik Christiansen, Co-founder and CEO of Justuno, about driving revenue through smarter on-site conversions. Erik also discusses creative cart abandonment strategies, the difference between vanity metrics and meaningful KPIs, and why hands-on entrepreneurship builds resilience.

Andrew Christison, Co-founder and CEO of Retencity, provides expert insights into e-commerce retention strategies. He discusses how many brands overlook long-term customer relationships, often relying on short-term tactics. Andrew emphasizes reshaping messaging to foster genuine connections and using personalized data for improved engagement. The podcast dives into optimizing tech infrastructure for retention, the importance of authentic timing in communications, and the lasting impact of customer experiences on brand loyalty.

Rand Fishkin is the Co‑founder and CEO of SparkToro, a software company he launched in 2018 to make audience and market research more accessible to marketers and creators. He previously co‑founded Moz (originally SEOmoz) in 2003 and helped scale it into a leading SEO software company before stepping down as CEO in 2014. Rand authored Lost and Founder: A Painfully Honest Field Guide to the Startup World, co‑authored The Art of SEO, and is widely recognized for his Whiteboard Friday video series and keynote speaking at over 100 international events.  In this episode… Modern marketers face a harsh reality: The tools they once relied on to track performance — like attribution models — are now deeply flawed. As data becomes increasingly fragmented across devices, platforms, and privacy barriers, understanding what truly drives customer behavior has grown more complicated than ever. How can brands measure success when attribution data can no longer be trusted? Rand Fishkin, a digital marketing and audience research specialist, offers a compelling case for abandoning rigid attribution models in favor of more human-centric, lift-based measurement. He recommends marketers return to fundamentals and observe customer behavior across multiple touchpoints, test messaging across regions or channels, and evaluate net impact over time. Rand encourages brands to shift focus from granular ROI tracking to identifying where their audience spends time and investing in channels, like podcasts and blogs, where competitors aren't yet visible. He also cautions against over-optimizing for paid media and emphasizes the power of brand presence and share of mind in an era dominated by AI-driven discovery. In this episode of the Up Arrow Podcast, William Harris interviews Rand Fishkin, Co-founder and CEO of SparkToro, about how marketers can adapt to the changing digital landscape. Rand explores why traditional attribution is breaking down, how audience research unlocks new opportunities, and the flaws in post-purchase surveys. He also dives into AI’s role in SEO, the influence of brand mentions over backlinks, and the importance of leading with transparency and kindness.

Daniel Brady is the Co-CEO of Orita, a software company that improves email deliverability. As a neuroscientist turned data scientist, he has helped leading e-commerce brands organize their data sets. Daniel has also worked with CEOs, CTOs, and other leaders to build eCommerce companies. In this episode… Email marketing promises big returns, but many brands unknowingly sabotage their success. They blast generic campaigns, over-segment based on recency, and trigger inbox fatigue that leads to declining engagement, retention, and revenue. How can e-commerce brands rebuild trust, retain overlooked buyers, and turn emails from a cost center into a compounding asset? Neuroscientist turned machine learning strategist Daniel Brady has developed a behavior-driven approach to email marketing. By analyzing long-term customer behavior beyond recent clicks, brands can use intelligent segmentation to both reduce email volume and boost conversions. Daniel recommends recategorizing inactive subscribers, validating leads before sending campaigns, and treating email engagement as a dynamic two-way relationship. He also emphasizes the importance of rethinking post-signup flows, preventing deliverability spirals, and aligning marketing cadence with buyer behavior. Join William Harris in today’s episode of the Up Arrow Podcast as he chats with Daniel Brady, Co-CEO of Orita, about turning email marketing into a scalable, intelligent revenue driver. He explains how neuroscience informs strategic audience segmentation, the impact of acquisition on retention, and how to adapt as you scale.

Matt Kovacs is the President and Lead Strategist at Blaze PR, a boutique PR agency that works with lifestyle brands. With over two decades of experience in PR and marketing, he has led campaigns for major brands like ESPN, Honest Tea, and Marriott Hotels. Matt specializes in helping brands leverage PR to attract investments, shape category dynamics, and build reputations that convert.  In this episode… For consumer brands aiming to scale, public relations often feels like an uncertain investment. While performance marketing offers measurable ROI, PR can seem intangible, focusing more on image than impact. How can founders ensure their PR efforts support business outcomes like fundraising, acquisition, or retail expansion? Public relations strategist Matt Kovacs has developed a practical framework for aligning PR with business goals. He emphasizes the importance of clarifying a brand’s objectives before launching any campaign, whether building thought leadership, category awareness, or retail traction. Matt recommends building cross-functional buy-in, investing in influencer product sampling, and leveraging media audits and strategic messaging to improve placement outcomes. To quantify results, he suggests using tools like an “impact index” to rate coverage based on business-relevant criteria. In today’s episode of the Up Arrow Podcast, William Harris sits down with Matt Kovacs, President and Lead Strategist at Blaze PR, to discuss how to execute PR that drives measurable business growth. He talks about aligning PR with acquisition or retail goals and best practices for media training, leveraging influencer partnerships, and supporting founder-led storytelling.

Dani Dufresne is an Emmy Award-winning executive producer and the Founder of The Auxiliary Co, which provides executive production, consulting, and creative project management for top agencies and brands. With over two decades of experience spanning broadcast, digital, experiential, and branded content, she has led high-impact campaigns for major brands, including Nike, Apple, Google, and Sephora. Dani also serves as an agency leadership consultant, helping creative agencies navigate growth, sales, and operations.  In this episode… Many brands struggle to create content that truly connects, let alone converts. In a fragmented digital landscape dominated by short-term thinking and data overload, creative work is often diluted, reactive, and forgettable. How can marketers craft branded content that captures attention, earns trust, and builds a lasting community? Emmy Award-winning executive producer Dani Dufresne urges brands to stop chasing trends and start building deeper relationships through clear, bold, and emotionally resonant storytelling. Integrating media strategy earlier in the process and investing in long-term thinking can dramatically improve creative outcomes. Dani emphasizes thoughtful execution, creative bravery, and audience empathy as the keys to developing a sustainable, long-term creative strategy.  In this week’s episode of the Up Arrow Podcast, William Harris chats with Dani Dufresne, Founder and Executive Producer of The Auxiliary Co, about how to produce branded content that converts. Dani shares how misaligned incentives break creative, why building slow beats burning fast, and what brands can learn from influencers and legacy agencies.

Carly Chenault is the Founder of MARKET EDIT, a strategic advisory and media firm that shares retail strategy and cultural insights through its publication, Retail Roundtable. With over 15 years of experience in retail and luxury brand strategy, she covers fashion and retail trends to empower emerging founders. Carly is also an Advisor at Need It For Tonight, a same-day fashion delivery platform.  In this episode… Many retail brands believe they’re delivering a compelling customer experience until sales dip and consumers lose interest. Why do so many businesses miss the signs that their customer relationships are slipping? Even with a solid product and strong brand recognition, growth can plateau when companies ignore evolving customer behavior, overlook internal leadership shortcomings, and fail to adapt their strategies. How can brands remain relevant in today’s retail environment? According to fashion and retail strategist Carly Chenault, overcoming growth plateaus requires founder self-awareness, customer insight, and adaptability. She recommends employing structured experimentation, building community by integrating physical and digital retail experiences, and leveraging technology like digital try-ons and wardrobe AI to streamline the customer experience. Carly also advises innovating with intention, collecting customer feedback, and prioritizing ease, trust, and transparency in customer interactions. Tune in to this episode of the Up Arrow Podcast as William Harris invites Carly Chenault, Founder of MARKET EDIT, to discuss scaling a retail brand by transitioning back into brick-and-mortar. Carly talks about building a community through immersive pop-ups, the psychology of retail layouts, and how to fail strategically.

Robert Gilbreath is a fractional executive specializing in CEO, CMO, and COO roles for SaaS and e-commerce companies. He provides consulting services in areas including go-to-market strategies, SEO, product development, and C-suite coaching. Robert is also an Executive at Rivur, a technology startup for managing construction projects online. Previously, he served as the Vice President and General Manager of ShipStation, where he led teams of over 175 employees and managed substantial marketing budgets.  In this episode… Running a business requires constant decision-making, but over time, even high-performing leaders can find themselves mentally drained. The barrage of choices, from the smallest daily tasks to high-stakes strategic moves, can lead to decision fatigue, quietly killing momentum, clarity, and joy. How can founders and executives protect their mental energy while leading effectively? According to fractional executive Robert Gilbreath, leaders can reduce decision fatigue by simplifying routines, creating clear macro-level goals, and building frameworks that empower teams to make decisions independently. He suggests documenting your decision-making process, blocking out your calendar, and leveraging structured frameworks like SBAR (situation, background, assessment, recommendation) and the double diamond diagram to clarify problems and guide teams. Additionally, prioritizing sleep and exercise and reducing unnecessary decisions allows founders and leaders to preserve mental clarity for crucial choices.  In this episode of the Up Arrow Podcast, William Harris interviews Robert Gilbreath, fractional executive CEO, CMO, and COO, about overcoming decision fatigue in business leadership. Robert talks about breaking decision-making paralysis, how fear impacts leadership choices, and how to empower teams to make informed decisions.

Panagiota Hatzis is the VP of Human Resources at HexClad Cookware, a hybrid cookware company. With over 15 years of experience in HR, she has led people and teams through hyper-growth, global expansion, and major cultural transformation. Panagiota is also an Executive Coach at MentorPass and Leaderology. Before HexClad Cookware, she was the Vice President of Human Resources at Common Thread Collective, where she helped scale the company from 20 to 80 employees across 10 states. In this episode… Scaling a company from $10 million to $100 million requires more than just great products or marketing; it demands an intentional and strategic approach to building and leading teams. Yet many leaders overlook people operations as a vital growth lever, treating HR as an administrative function rather than a revenue and culture driver. How can businesses rethink their people strategy to avoid burnout, misalignment, and stalled growth? People operations and organizational psychology expert Panagiota Hatzis emphasizes repositioning HR as a strategic business partner aligned with EBITDA goals. This requires maintaining relational equity — trust and mutual respect — between leaders and teams and optimizing processes to minimize burnout. Building culture intentionally through frequent communication, transparency, and accountability is crucial for maintaining alignment as you scale to the next stage of revenue.  In this episode of the Up Arrow Podcast, William Harris interviews Panagiota Hatzis, VP of Human Resources at HexClad Cookware, about using people operations as a strategic growth engine. She explains how to encourage guilt-free time off for employees, the difference between effort and authentic business results, and how to close the gap between leadership intent and the employee experience.

Sam Nebel is the Co-founder and Chief Commercial Officer of Goodwipes, an eco-friendly personal care brand known for its flushable and biodegradable wipes. He launched the brand with his college friend to create a stigma-free alternative to traditional bathroom products. Sam is also a board member of the Responsible Flushing Alliance and was a Regional Manager and a founding team member at Party Degree, where he catalyzed the growth of one of its branches to over seven figures in annual event and nightclub sales.  In this episode… Some consumer products entrepreneurs stall when trying to scale from $10 to $100 million in revenue. They often underestimate operations, overestimate the impact of marketing, and delay building scalable systems until it’s too late. What does it take to build a durable, category-leading brand that lasts? Operations-focused entrepreneur Sam Nebel scaled his brand by committing to operational excellence, product superiority, and category leadership. He emphasizes the importance of establishing supplier relationships early, hiring specialized talent to elevate execution, and prioritizing product quality and the consumer experience. Data-driven decision-making is crucial for outperforming the competition and positioning your brand as a category leader. Sam also recommends planning your infrastructure ahead of growth by reverse-engineering from long-term goals and identifying the capacities, vendor relationships, and supply chain redundancies needed to scale.  In the latest episode of the Up Arrow Podcast, William Harris sits down with Sam Nebel, Co-founder and Chief Commercial Officer at Goodwipes, to discuss building and scaling a high-performing CPG brand. Sam talks about shifting your role as a founder to scale, how operations impact product performance, and the value of consumer-driven product design.