Six Pixels of Separation Podcast

Welcome to episode #895 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #895. When it comes to the digital economy, the law and the media, everyone should be following Dr. Michael Geist. Now, more than ever, his voice may be the only "truth" we are seeing in the media as Canada deals with the massive fallout that is Bill C-18 (Canada's Online News Act). My primer on this ridiculous law is here: Big Tech, Big Media, Big Trouble And Big Lies. With that, the issues (and opportunity) bleed well beyond the borders of Canada and should strike fear into anyone interested in our global digital economy. For a long while, Michael has been reshaping the landscape of Internet and E-commerce Law from his academic pulpit at the University of Ottawa. With credentials that read like an academic's dream — degrees from Osgoode Hall, Cambridge, and Columbia — he's not just dissecting law... he's writing it, in real-time, for a digital age. You've likely stumbled upon his incisive columns, where he distills complex technology law issues into digestible wisdom. But wait, there's more. Michael is the maestro behind a slew of copyright books that are nothing short of revolutionary. Titles like, The Copyright Pentalogy, and, In the Public Interest, are shaking the foundations of Canadian copyright law, carving out a new roadmap for the digital era. He's not just penning books... he's also editing monthly technology law publications and running a blog that's become a go-to resource on Internet and intellectual property issues. Michael's reach isn't confined to academia or print... he's a boardroom staple too. Whether it's Ingenium, Internet Archive Canada, or the Electronic Frontier Foundation, his advisory skills are in high demand. He's even steering the digital strategy for Waterfront Toronto, leading it into uncharted technological waters. His influence is such that he was named among the 50 most impactful people on intellectual property globally and among the 25 most influential lawyers in Canada, multiple years running. Why does Michael matter? Because in a world wrestling with the ethics and laws of a digital frontier, he's the sage we didn't know we needed, but can't afford to ignore. We dig deep into the media landscape, the mis-step of the government, why Meta proactively decided to no longer allow users to post links out to news websites, and why everyone (no matter where you live) should be paying attention to what Meta, Google and others technology companies are doing. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:13:16. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Dr. Michael Geist. Michael’s Blog (which is filled with Bill C-18 brilliance). Michael’s Podcast: Law Bytes. Michael on Substack. The Copyright Pentalogy. In the Public Interest. Follow Michael on LinkedIn. Follow Michael on Twitter/X. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to episode #894 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #894. When you live in a city like Montreal, you often get introduced to people who have both "done the work" and are eager to stay connected. A long while back, I had the pleasure of meeting Professor Karl Moore. And, over the years, we have become friends who often run into one another on the streets of Montreal. With a distinguished position at McGill University's Desautels Faculty of Management and over 25 years as a Fellow at the University of Oxford, Dr. Karl Moore is no stranger to the leadership pulse of today's world. His interaction with CEOs and the new-gen leaders, the millennials and Gen Zs, is not just cursory — it's insightful. Karl's exploration into the world of CEOs started with his Ph.D., leading him to study leadership dynamics and strategic evolution. His McGill MBA course, CEO Insights, has become a unique conduit for 31 CEOs to share wisdom each fall, morphing over eight years into the highly-acclaimed The CEO Series on Bell Media's CJAD radio station. These engaging one-on-one interviews with prominent CEOs find their way into Forbes and Les Affaires, magnifying his reach and insight. Having collaborated with the legendary Henry Mintzberg for two decades on various leadership programs and having seasoned his expertise with eleven years at IBM and Hitachi, Karl's journey into academia reflects depth and innovation. His five-year faculty stint at Oxford's Said Business School adds another rich layer to his profile. Karl recently published his tenth book, Ok Boomers - Working with Millennials and Zs - a discerning look into the dynamic between generations in leadership. His subsequent work, We Are All Ambiverts Now, based on over 750 interviews with C-suite executives, promises to continue the conversation. His recent talk at Harvard and annual teaching at Stanford stand as testimonials to his profound impact on business thinking. Karl's nomination for the Thinkers50 Distinguished Achievement Awards in the Leadership Category acknowledges him as a leading thinker in his field. In the panorama of business leadership and academia, Karl stands as a thought leader, bridging generational insights and pioneering change. Let's dig deep into the world of business, our economy and culture. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:00:06. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Professor Karl Moore. Ok Boomers - Working with Millennials and Zs. We Are All Ambiverts Now,. The CEO Series. Follow Karl on LinkedIn. Follow Karl on Twitter or X. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to episode #893 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #893. Founder and Chairman of Acceleration Partners, Robert Glazer, has become a significant figure in the realm of global partner marketing. With a knack for entrepreneurship and a passion for excellence, he led his company to a recognizable position in the industry, establishing best-in-class processes for client acquisition, retention, culture, and service. Under Bob's leadership, Acceleration Partners achieved an annual growth rate of 30% over 10 years, receiving over 25 industry and company culture awards. Bob’s portfolio includes extensive experience in digital monetization, customer acquisition, e-commerce, and direct-to-consumer marketing. He has been instrumental on both the buyer and seller side of M&A and served as a board advisor to several high-growth companies. He extends his influence beyond the corporate sphere through his popular weekly inspirational newsletter, Friday Forward, reaching over 300,000 individuals across 60+ countries. Bob's voice resonates as the author of six books, and he hosts the Elevate Podcast. In a world where individuals often pay for things with regrets, Bob exemplifies a disciplined approach. His combination of professional innovation, thoughtful leadership, and personal integrity stands as a beacon in today’s business landscape, embodying a legacy of transformative success. His story encourages us all to strive for continuous growth, both in our careers and personal lives, fostering a strong sense of empathy and community-driven success. His latest book, Elevate Your Team - Empower Your Team To Reach Their Full Potential and Build A Business That Builds Leaders, is the sequel to Elevate. Bob shares his professional journey and realization at Acceleration Partners during its rapid growth. He provides a playbook for navigating the delicate balance of improving team performance, retaining talent, and nurturing future leaders without inducing burnout. The book serves as a manual for the new era of leadership, focusing on building people rather than wearing them out. It offers actionable strategies to help leaders enhance their skills and enables their teams to reach full potential, creating a results-oriented, learning-driven culture that adapts to the company's ever-evolving growth needs. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 57:09. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Robert Glazer,. Elevate Your Team - Empower Your Team To Reach Their Full Potential and Build A Business That Builds Leaders. Elevate. Friday Forward. Elevate Podcast. Acceleration Partners. Follow Bob on LinkedIn. Follow Bob on Instagram. Follow Bob on Twitter or X. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to episode #892 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #892. Friend, author, speaker, thinker and executive coaching powerhouse, Laura Gassner Otting, is not just a catalyst but a virtuoso of ambition. She is someone who traded law school for a spot on a presidential campaign, she’s shaped history, and now, she's sculpting futures (yours and mine). How? By challenging the mediocrity that binds us to our comfort zones. From the White House to her own executive search firm, she’s navigated change like a seasoned captain steering through turbulent seas (and the work world just got much more turbulent). Laura built one of the swiftest-growing search firms, becoming the ally to dreamers and doers across all shades of ambition. Selling her firm was no swan song. It was a crescendo to new heights. These days, Laura’s not just seen on Good Morning America or the Today Show... she's felt in the hearts of her readers, in boardrooms, and on stages. With books like Limitless and her latest, Wonderhell, she’s become the ringleader of a movement and community. Her philosophy? It's not about pursuing success but about defining it. It's a journey from profit to purpose, wrapped up in big ideas, larger-than-life goals, and an audacity that’s contagious. Her community work isn't a footnote... it's a testament. Building schools, running marathons, igniting political action - these aren't hobbies, they're hallmarks of someone ignited by big challenges and bigger ideas. Rebel? Sure. Instigator? Absolutely. Provocateur? Without a doubt. Laura's the embodiment of business acumen with a twist of revolution, served up with a side of ceaseless determination. Let's dig into how we can all be limitless in our dreams without getting trapped in Wonderhell. Before we do, I’m also honored that Laura is one of our Thinkers on the ThinkersOne platform. Want to add big smarts to your meeting? Get personalized video experiences from top Thinkers like Laura to surprise and inspire your team – in-person, hybrid, or virtual! Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 53:14. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Laura Gassner Otting. Wonderhell. Limitless. LGOtv. Sign up to Laura’s newsletter. Check out Laura on ThinkersOne. Follow Laura on Facebook. Follow Laura on LinkedIn. Follow Laura on Instagram. Follow Laura on X (or Twitter). This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to episode #891 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #891. Journalist, media executive and author, Joanne Lipman, is back with a great new book, Next! - The Power of Reinvention in Life and Work (many know her from her previous effort, That's What She Said). Joanne is revered for her innovative leadership across various high-profile media institutions, including USA Today, USA Today Network, Conde Nast Portfolio, and The Wall Street Journal's Weekend Journal. Her editorial acumen has guided these organizations to earn a total of six Pulitzer Prizes. Starting her career as a reporter at The Wall Street Journal, Joanne shattered glass ceilings to become the first woman Deputy Managing Editor. During her tenure, she orchestrated the creation of Weekend Journal and Personal Journal, leading coverage that garnered three Pulitzer Prizes. Further solidifying her "star editor" reputation, as termed by CNN, Joanne was the founding Editor-in-Chief of Conde Nast Portfolio (which was a great business magazine), winning National Magazine and Loeb Awards. In 2015, Lipman achieved another milestone by becoming Gannett's first Chief Content Officer. As the Editor-in-Chief of USA Today and USA Today Network, she skillfully managed over 3,000 journalists across 109 metro newspapers, including the Detroit Free Press and the Arizona Republic. Under her leadership, the network clinched three additional Pulitzer Prizes. Beyond her editorial roles, Joanne is an accomplished speaker, television commentator, and an on-air contributor at CNBC. She shares her vast journalistic experience as a lecturer at Yale University and has been honored as the inaugural Distinguished Journalism Fellow at Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study. She has also co-authored the highly praised musical memoir, Strings Attached. Her vast accomplishments aptly justify The New York Times' portrayal of her as the "innovator in chief." Joanne explains that her latest book, Next!, is the ultimate guide to reinventing how you live, work and lead, backed by cutting-edge science and inspiring true stories. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:00:28. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Joanne Lipman. Next! - The Power of Reinvention in Life and Work. That's What She Said. Strings Attached. Follow Joanne on Twitter. Follow Joanne on Instagram. Follow Joanne on LinkedIn. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to episode #890 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #890. I often think of Pico Iyer. It could be while I travel... it could be while we were in Covid lockdown. His words truly resonate with me on a very deep level. Pico is an acclaimed wordsmith who began his journey in Oxford, England. With the King’s Scholarship at Eton and a Demyship at Magdalen College, Oxford in his kitty, Pico's academic prowess earned him a Congratulatory Double First and the highest accolades in English Literature. In 1980, he joined the teaching fraternity at Harvard, earning a second Master's degree and an honorary doctorate in Humane Letters. Since 1982, Pico has delved into full-time writing, weaving tales on diverse subjects from the Dalai Lama (a personal friend of his) to Islamic mysticism, and from the Cuban Revolution to globalism. His body of work encompasses over 15 books, including enduring bestsellers such as, Video Night in Kathmandu, The Lady and the Monk, and The Art of Stillness. These literary gems have been translated into over 20 languages, amplifying his voice across the globe. Besides his own titles, Pico has penned introductions for over 70 other books, composed a screenplay for Miramax, and written a libretto. Complementing his book writing, Pico has contributed upwards of 100 articles annually to international publications such as Time, The New York Times, and the Financial Times. His knack for insightful storytelling has led him to the TED stage (which is where we first met and connected), where his four talks have garnered more than 10 million views. Pico's life beautifully balances between solitude and society. Since 1992, he has divided his time between a Benedictine hermitage in Big Sur, California, a sanctuary that nurtures his craft, and suburban Japan, where he engages with the rhythm of daily life. His journey underscores the harmonious fusion of stillness and movement, solitude and engagement - a fitting testimony to the art he so eloquently writes about. His latest book, The Half Known Life - In Search Of Paradise, is one that I read with stillness and slowness... like a fine wine. Paradise is many things to many people, and this book is an incredible journey to uncover it. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:71:52. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Pico Iyer. The Half Known Life - In Search Of Paradise. Video Night in Kathmandu. The Lady and the Monk. The Art of Stillness. Pico’s TED Talks. Follow Pico on Twitter. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to episode #889 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #889. Let's delve into the kaleidoscopic journey of Kevin Kelly, a titan of technology and innovation, who launched Wired magazine in 1993 (and happens to be one of my favorite writers and Thinkers about "what's next?"). After seven years as Executive Editor, he still holds the fort as Senior Maverick. Twice during his reign, Wired clinched the National Magazine Awards for General Excellence - the magazine industry's equivalent to Oscars. Flashback to 1984-1990, Kevin wore the hats of both publisher and editor of Whole Earth Review, a journal serving unconventional conceptual news. With Kevin at the helm, it earned the distinction of being the first consumer magazine to cover virtual reality, ecological restoration, and Internet culture, among other trend-setting topics. His 1988 creation, Signal, evaluated emerging digital technologies, effectively setting the stage for Wired magazine. Later, in 2003, he crafted the Cool Tools website to feature daily tool reviews, culminating in a bestseller book, and eventually, the weekly recommendation list, Recomendo, boasting over 60,000 subscribers (of which I am one... and never miss an issue). Kevin's early digital footprint can be traced back to 1985 when he helped lay the foundation for The WELL, one of the pioneers in forming online communities. His tech experiments didn't stop there - he launched Cyberthon in 1990, the first-ever 24-hour virtual reality event, and co-founded the annual Hackers' Conference. Kevin's pen dances across a variety of subjects, from machines turning biological (Out of Control, 1994) to digital economy rules (New Rules for the New Economy, 1998) and the inevitable technological trends of the future (The Inevitable, 2016). His works echo in pieces like 1000 True Fans, and his latest book, Excellent Advice For Living. With a knack for photography, Kevin's snapshots have found home in Life and other national magazines. His nomadic photography journeys culminated in a 3-volume magnum opus, Vanishing Asia, preserving the fading cultures of Asia through 9,000 pictures. As a founding board member of The Long Now Foundation, Kevin promotes long-term thinking, epitomized by their 10,000-year clock and library project. Kevin Kelly's journey illustrates a passion for innovation and an unyielding curiosity about the future. I couldn't be more excited to talk with him. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:01:49. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Kevin Kelly. Excellent Advice For Living. 1000 True Fans. Recomendo. Cool Tools. Out of Control. New Rules for the New Economy. The Inevitable. Vanishing Asia. Wired. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to episode #888 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #888. It always exciting to have Adam Alter back on the show. Adam is the scholarly sherpa navigating the neural networks of New York University's Stern School of Business. As an acclaimed Professor of Marketing and Robert Stansky Teaching Excellence Faculty Fellow, he finds his second academic home in NYU's Psychology Department. Adam, however, is not confined to the halls of academia. He’s also a celebrated author whose ink has graced the pages of three bestsellers, exploring the compelling world of behavioral addiction, subconscious influences and how to get unstuck. In his book Irresistible, Adam delves into our modern-day addiction epidemic, examining the compulsive behaviors attached to our smartphones, the internet, video games, and online shopping. Meanwhile, Drunk Tank Pink peels back the layers of our environment, unveiling the hidden forces that shape our thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. Adam's genius lies in his unique approach to social psychology and decision-making. He shines a spotlight on the surprising impacts of subtle environmental cues on human cognition and behavior. His fascinating findings have claimed their space in numerous academic journals and media outlets worldwide. His latest book (which I devoured), Anatomy of a Breakthrough, promises to free us from the shackles of our mind's inertia. Whether it’s a midlife crisis, writer's block, or a stagnant job, we all face friction that stymies our growth. But Adam's solution, the friction audit, could be the key to unlocking our full potential. By conquering friction in our heart (emotions), head (thoughts), and habit (behaviors), we can course-correct our journey to success. Through this brilliant blend of scientific research, personal stories, and inspiring examples, Adam reassures us: getting stuck is not a glitch, but a feature on the road to thriving. With the right strategies, we can all reach our loftiest goals. So, are you ready to break free? Before we do, I'm also honored that Adam is one of our Thinkers on the ThinkersOne platform. Want to add big smarts to your meeting? Get personalized video experiences from top Thinkers like Adam to surprise and inspire your team - in-person, hybrid, or virtual! Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:01:36. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Adam Alter. Anatomy of a Breakthrough. Irresistible. Drunk Tank Pink. Check out Adam on ThinkersOne. Follow Adam on Twitter. Follow Adam on LinkedIn. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to episode #887 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #887. As Global Growth Evangelist at Salesforce, Tiffani Bova, is truly a visionary (driven by data, getting her hands dirty in client's work, and defining new ways to think about business). Tiffani has an audacious dedication to revolutionizing business perspectives, and she's the cerebral powerhouse behind two important books: Growth IQ and her latest, The Experience Mindset - Changing the Way You Think About Growth. Her track record and the accolades she's attracted speak to her acumen. She's been named to the Thinkers50's roster of top global management thinkers, has lent her insights to countless publications like Harvard Business Review and Duke University Dialogue Review, and she’s an intellectual force for students at Columbia University and Wharton. Tiffani also hosts her own podcast, What’s Next! with Tiffani Bova. She also carries the title of "influencer" via her social media channels on Twitter, LinkedIn and beyond. Inc. Magazine named her as of one the Top 100 Woman In Tech. Having inspired more than half a million people across six continents with over 850 keynote presentations, Tiffani's wisdom is universally sought. Prior to Salesforce, she was a distinguished figure in sales, marketing, and customer service, breaking new ground with innovative strategies for cloud-based solutions. Her tenure at Gartner won her the Thought Leadership award and admiration from tech's finest for her trailblazing strategies for sales and growth. I devoured The Experience Mindset. I love how it unpacks the disconnect that businesses have between their customer experience and their employee experience, in a world where the two must be intrinsically connected. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 1:03:13. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Tiffani Bova. The Experience Mindset - Changing the Way You Think About Growth. Growth IQ. What’s Next! with Tiffani Bova. Salesforce. Follow Tiffani on LinkedIn. Follow Tiffani on Twitter. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to episode #886 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #886. How can we change the way that businesses get funded? Are the best businesses actually getting funded? What about investments that truly have impact? Dr. Freada Kapor Klein and her husband, Mitch Kapor, are a dynamic duo striving to make the tech industry more diverse and inclusive. Both co-founders of Kapor Capital and the Kapor Center, they invest in tech startups that aim to dismantle the barriers of access for low-income communities and communities of color. Freada is the founder of SMASH, an organization that provides rigorous STEM education to low-income students of color across the U.S. She is also a vocal advocate against sexual coercion, a member of numerous influential councils, and the author of the revealing book, Giving Notice, which explores the hidden bias in workplaces. Adding to their shared legacy, Freada and Mitch have co-authored the book, Closing The Equity Gap, which offers insightful strategies to address the disparity in tech access among different socioeconomic groups. The book, echoing their combined mission, is an important step towards a more equitable tech landscape. Freada's huband, Mitch, is a stalwart of the personal computing industry and a savvy startup investor. He is the founder of Lotus Development Corporation and the designer of Lotus 1-2-3 (the spreadsheet!). He is also co-founder of The Electronic Frontier Foundation and the founding Chair of Mozilla, the creator of the Firefox web browser. In this episode, Freada explores the challenges of investing, the economy and how what we back in venture capital is a strong indication of how our communities will evolve. Enjoy the conversation.... Running time: 55:32. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Freada Kapor Klein. Closing The Equity Gap. Giving Notice. Kapor Capital. Kapor Center. SMASH. Follow Freada on LinkedIn. Follow Freada on Twitter. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.