

Data Radicals
Alation
Some people can see things that nobody else can. They seem to be able to peer around corners and into the future. These seemingly super powers come from being able to synthesize the data all around us. They approach problems with a curious and rational mind. They think differently and encourage others to embrace data culture.
We call them “data radicals” because they transform themselves and the world around them
In this podcast, we talk to these Data Radicals to understand what makes their approach so unique and how it can be replicated.
We call them “data radicals” because they transform themselves and the world around them
In this podcast, we talk to these Data Radicals to understand what makes their approach so unique and how it can be replicated.
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Feb 7, 2024 • 46min
Meshy Data Orgs: Data Teams in a Product-Thinking World with Sanjeevan Bala, Group Chief Data & AI Officer at ITV
Sanjeevan Bala, Group Chief Data & AI Officer at ITV, discusses the importance of business literacy in data teams, the role of a Data Product Manager, and the power of experimentation. They also explore challenges in building data infrastructure, the use of AI in advertising and IP, and the significance of data and business literacy for data leaders.

Jan 24, 2024 • 44min
The Impact of Analytics in a Zero-Sum Game with Ari Kaplan, Head of Evangelism at Databricks
Ari Kaplan, known as 'The Real Moneyball guy,' discusses the use of data analytics in sports, how it revolutionized the industry, and its impact on player selection and game wins. He explores the challenges teams face in processing and storing massive amounts of data. The podcast also touches on Ari's humanitarian work during World War II and the skills required for effective data analysis. It highlights the potential impact of generative AI and encourages listeners to learn from the sports world in utilizing data analytics for business success.

Jan 10, 2024 • 40min
Beyond Frictionless Living with Nate Anderson, Deputy Editor at Ars Technica
When it comes to our relationship with technology, be like philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche and practice mindfulness. We usually think mindfulness means setting boundaries like screen time limits. However, we should think about the goals and values we want from technology, like greater human connection, improving efficiency, or driving knowledge. This introspective thinking enables us to be intentional about how and why we’re using technology. Without mindfulness, instead of you driving the tech, the tech may be driving you. Nate Anderson lives by and continues to share Nietzsche’s philosophies today. Nate is the Deputy Editor at Ars Technica, where he covers technology law, politics, and culture. He combined his high-tech background with a love of writing to freelance at publications like The Economist and Foreign Policy. Nate is also the author of In Emergency, Break Glass: What Nietzsche Can Teach Us About Joyful Living in a Tech-Saturated World. Satyen and Nate discuss forming positive connections with technology, saying “yes” to life, and what Nietzsche would have to say about tech.--------“Connection to other people is important. We use technology to create that connection. That might mean a Friday night game group over Zoom or Twitch or multiplayer with your friends. As long as you have the goal in mind, that's where it requires your creativity. That's where you're using the tools creatively to produce outcomes that you want in life. The problem with not thinking in a goal-directed way is that technology itself is not completely neutral. Technology has no goals of its own. It was created by people and companies who have plenty of goals and some of those don't necessarily take you to places where you would choose to go. That's why if you don't have a goal-driven approach to technology, you may find technology is actually driving you.” – Nate Anderson--------Time Stamps:*(04:25): Why Nietzsche? Why now?*(15:07): Offer agency, not just prescriptive rules*(24:17): The loneliness of technology*(27:51): Seeking that goal-driven place*(35:44): Producing actual value*(38:35): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksRead In Emergency, Break GlassConnect with Nate on LinkedIn

Dec 13, 2023 • 48min
AI Supply & Demand with Guy Scriven, U.S. Technology Editor at The Economist
Thanks to GenAI, we have an overabundance of tools, models, and capabilities. However, the use and impact of these advancements is yet to be known. That’s why in the age of technological innovation, traditional skills like fact-checking are more important than ever to ensure that the technology and predictions are correct. Guy Scriven, U.S. Technology Editor at The Economist, is on the frontlines of the AI explosion. In his tenure at the publication, he has served as a researcher and climate risk correspondent, and has grown his affinity for telling data-driven stories. Satyen and Guy discuss the role of data in journalism, instilling a culture of debate, and the unsexy – but critical – side of AI.--------“We've had this long period of experimentation and excitement. That's been basically marked by the supply side of AI just really ramping up. You've had loads of model makers releasing new models. You've had the cloud players buying enormous amounts of specialized AI chips. You've had thousands of AI application startups who are going to build on top of the model makers, who then use the AI chips from the cloud providers. You've had this boom in the supply side of AI. Now, the big question is whether the enterprise demand meets that and what shape it takes. I think we don't really have a good sense of that until at least the first couple of quarters of next year.” – Guy Scriven--------Time Stamps:*(02:22): Less reporting, more commentary *(13:32): Dataset discovery *(22:34): ChatGPT’s hallucination problem *(34:38): AI headlines on the rise *(41:48): What’s the next big AI story? *(46:10): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksConnect with Guy on LinkedIn

Nov 29, 2023 • 49min
Hard Filters and Nuanced Intuition with Scott Hartley, Author of The Fuzzy and the Techie
The best kind of data radical is one who knows how to balance their technical expertise with their fuzzy side. Skills like storytelling, empathy, and ethics are becoming invaluable in the tech space. The ability to balance both enables data folks to recognize patterns where others might miss them. This type of integrative thinking can guide people on their next investment, whether they’re investing time, money, or resources. Scott Hartley is a global early-stage investor and author of The Fuzzy and the Techie: Why the Liberal Arts Will Rule the Digital World. His passion lies in emerging markets and big ideas that improve lives, particularly in financial services, health, supply chain, and logistics. Scott has served as a Presidential Innovation Fellow at the White House and has co-founded two venture capital firms: Everywhere Ventures and Two Culture Capital. Satyen and Scott discuss the techie and fuzzy sides of Silicon Valley, the advancement of tech, and how Scott chooses his next investment.--------“I love this thought around data collection and big data is one thing, it's collecting information. But, then turning that information into knowledge and into wisdom. In one part, can be done through unstructured to structured data, through things like LLMs that are enabling us to move out of the information noise into a bit more knowledge noise, and then maybe into wisdom specificity. I still think that there's a leap there that's going to be human-driven. Whether it's a person sitting there interpreting or it's a team of engineers thinking about the sensitivities, the data tagging. There are human decisions in the mix somewhere along that chain, as we're taking on structured data and turning it into structured knowledge and wisdom. All these things to say, that even these deeply technical infrastructure-level technologies, have elements of humanity in them.” – Scott Hartley--------Time Stamps:*(10:55): The genesis behind The Fuzzy and the Techie*(18:11): Subjectivity, structure, and bias*(20:17): Scott’s investment focus*(30:09): The “tables-stakes economy” *(38:11): AI and public policy *(47:43): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksRead The Fuzzy and the TechieVisit Scott’s websiteConnect with Scott on LinkedIn

Nov 8, 2023 • 49min
The Precision Prescription with Maddy Want, VP of Data, Betting & Gaming at Fanatics, Inc.
Precision in technology is powerful. When it comes to services like Uber, people know the exact location of the driver and how much the trip will cost. Precision helps banks lend money to folks with bad credit, but who took the initiative of telling a bank when they would miss a payment. Precision can even help deliver urgent medical supplies via drones in countries that need it most. Precision in technology means users have total visibility on location, price, and competitors, and they’re able to achieve better outcomes.Maddy Want is the VP of Data for Betting and Gaming at Fanatics. Maddy has over a decade of data product experience spanning diverse web and app services, and has served companies like Audible, upday, and Index Exchange. When Maddy joined Fanatics, she was responsible for creating the data strategy, hiring the data team, and partnering with tech. Satyen and Maddy discuss her new book, Precisely, data governance, and why precision matters.--------“We've gone to total visibility on location, total visibility on price, and ability to shop across competitors. To me, the big theme out of all of those things is it's not about the technology itself, it's not about drones, or it's not about auction mechanics like that power Uber. Those things are cool, but it's about the capability that it's given to the customers, or the patients, or whoever. The theme there is that they have more precision. They can be more precise about what kind of change they're requesting or they're affecting, and they can have an outcome that's much more tailored to them.” – Maddy Want--------Time Stamps:*(05:45): The disconnect between public policy and tech*(13:09): The focus on precision *(20:18): Writing Precisely*(29:50): Maddy’s role at Fanatics*(39:27): Structuring the team *(47:19): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksRead Precisely: Working with Precision Systems in a World of DataConnect with Maddy on LinkedIn

Oct 25, 2023 • 49min
Everything You Wanted To Know About LLMs, but Were Too Afraid To Ask with Matthew Lynley, Founding Writer of Supervised
With the rise of GenAI, LLMs are now accessible to everyone. They start with a very easy learning curve that grows more complicated the deeper you go. But, not all models are created equal. It’s critical to design effective prompts so users stay focused and have context that will drive how productive the model is.In this episode, Matthew Lynley, Founding Writer of Supervised, delivers a crash course on LLMs. From the basics of what they are, to vector databases, to trends in the market, you’ll learn everything about LLMs that you’ve always wanted to know. Matthew has spent the last decade reporting on the tech industry at publications like Business Insider, The Wall Street Journal, BuzzFeed News, and TechCrunch. He founded the AI newsletter, Supervised, with the goal of helping readers understand the implications of new technologies and the team building it. Satyen and Matt discuss the inspiration behind Supervised, LLMs, and the rivalry between Databricks and Snowflake.--------“This idea of, ‘How does an LLM work?’ I think, the second you touch one for the first time, you get it right away. Now, there's an enormous level of intricacy and complication once you go a single step deeper, which is the differences between the LLMs. How do you think about crafting the right prompt? Knowing that they can go off the rails really fast if you're not careful, and the whole network of tools that are associated on top of it. But, when you think from an education perspective, the education really only starts when you are talking to people that are like, ‘This is really cool. I've tried it, it's awesome. It’s cool as hell. But how can I use it to improve my business?’ Then it starts to get complicated. Then you have to start understanding how expensive is OpenAI? How do you integrate it? Do I go closed source or open source? The learning curve starts off very, very, very easy because you can get it right away. Then, it quickly becomes one of the hardest possible products to understand once you start trying to dig into it.” – Matthew Lynley--------Time Stamps:*(04:21): The genesis of Supervised*(11:34): The LLM learning curve*(21:35): Time to build a vector database?*(31:55): Open source vs. proprietary LLMs *(41:35): Snowflake/Databricks overlap*(47:47): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksRead SupervisedConnect with Matthew on LinkedIn

Oct 11, 2023 • 52min
Measuring the (Data) Culture of Medicine with Dr. Bapu Jena, Joseph P. Newhouse Professor at Harvard Medical School
Dr. Bapu Jena, economist and physician at Harvard Medical School, discusses leveraging data in healthcare, applying AI in medicine, measuring the innovation of doctors, diagnosing ADHD in children with summer birthdays, and measuring quality in healthcare.

Sep 27, 2023 • 46min
Mastering Your Own Destiny with Andy Palmer & Dr. Michael Stonebraker, Co-founders of Tamr
Starting a revolution is no easy task. Just ask Dr. Michael Stonebraker and Andy Palmer, co-founders of Tamr, the enterprise data mastering company. Their path to innovation begins with a universal problem. They also collaborate with other data radicals who challenge them to think differently and help them grow.Michael is a database pioneer, MIT professor, and entrepreneur. He has founded nine database startups over 40 years and won the A.M. Turing Award in 2014. Andy is a serial entrepreneur and founder, board member, and advisor for over 50 start-ups. Satyen, Michael, and Andy discuss Tamr’s tech evolution, third normal form, and probabilistic methods.--------“There's a lot of work to be done in these big enterprises of getting all the data cataloged, getting it all mastered and curated, and then delivering it out for lots of people to consume. Early on at Tamr, we did a lot of stuff on-premise and those projects just took so much longer and you ended up doing a whole bunch of infrastructure stuff that's just not required. We’re really encouraging all of our customers to think cloud native, multi-tenant infrastructure as the de facto starting point because that'll let them get to better outcomes much faster.” – Andy Palmer“Data products and data mastering are basically a cloud problem. And so you want to be cloud native, you want to run software as a service, you want to be friendly to the cloud vendors. Tamr spent a lot of time over the last two or three years doing exactly that. There's a big difference between running on the cloud and being cloud native and running software as a service. That's what we're focused on big time right now. After that, I think there's a lot of research directions we're paying attention to. Trying to build more semantics into tables to be able to leverage. You can think of this as leveraging more exhaustive catalogs to do our stuff better. I think that's something we're thinking about a bunch.” – Dr. Michael Stonebraker--------Timestamps:*(04:47): The procurement proliferation*(15:51): Solving data chaos*(24:49): Probabilistically solving data problems*(37:34): The future of Tamr*(43:16): A great technologist versus a great entrepreneur*(44:51): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksConnect with Andy on LinkedInConnect with Michael on LinkedInLearn more about DBOS

Sep 13, 2023 • 25min
The Human Side of Data Leadership
This podcast delves into the traits of a successful data leader, the importance of soft skills, and the challenges faced by a Chief Data Officer. It also explores the impact of building a data culture and adapting strategies in the face of challenges.