

Data Radicals
Alation
Some people can see things that nobody else can. They seem to be able to peer around corners and into the future. These seemingly super powers come from being able to synthesize the data all around us. They approach problems with a curious and rational mind. They think differently and encourage others to embrace data culture.
We call them “data radicals” because they transform themselves and the world around them
In this podcast, we talk to these Data Radicals to understand what makes their approach so unique and how it can be replicated.
We call them “data radicals” because they transform themselves and the world around them
In this podcast, we talk to these Data Radicals to understand what makes their approach so unique and how it can be replicated.
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Aug 30, 2023 • 49min
Competing Apart, Sharing Together with Michael James, SVP, Head of Data Strategy & Analytics at the NBA
Michael James, SVP at the NBA, discusses the league's data-driven culture and their digital transformation. They explore CRM challenges in sports, diverse technology stacks in NBA teams, and collaboration with peers in other leagues. They also discuss favorite basketball players and the value of communication and collaboration in data analysis.

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Aug 16, 2023 • 50min
Frameworks and the Art of Simplification with Dave Kellogg, EIR at Balderton Capital and author of Kellblog
Dave Kellogg, an enterprise executive in software, discusses the evolution of BI and the importance of simplification. They explore creating frameworks for simplifying complex concepts, data intelligence, and collaboration in analytics and databases. The power of frameworks in simplifying complex ideas is also highlighted.

Aug 2, 2023 • 46min
Perfect is The Enemy of The Good with Ameen Kazerouni, CTO at Orange Theory Fitness
Ameen Kazerouni, CTO of Orangetheory Fitness, discusses data-driven exercise, keeping humans in the feedback loop, and AI data governance. They emphasize starting small and developing personal habits for better data decisions. Collaboration between teams at Orangetheory for data governance is also highlighted.

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Jul 19, 2023 • 49min
Don’t Say Data Literacy with Wendy Batchelder, CDO & SVP, Global Data Governance at Salesforce
We’ve all heard the term “data literacy” by now. Although there is general consensus regarding the importance of knowing how to read, write, and communicate with data, some folks may take issue with the term itself. Wendy Batchelder, CDO at Salesforce, wants to reframe the conversation and focus on how people can leverage data to do their jobs better.Wendy is a technology executive who has spent her career tackling business problems with technical solutions and transforming diverse team members into leaders. In her current role at Salesforce, Wendy is helping the right people access the right data at the right time — with the right controls. In this episode, Satyen and Wendy discuss the problems with data literacy training, the power of answering “so what?” questions, and the value of advocating for DEI in tech.--------“You have to drop the jargon and get down to what are you trying to explain? If you're trying to help people to use more data for decision making, then just introduce the data. Don't sit down and say, ‘We're gonna talk about data literacy,’ because everyone's eyes gloss over and you lose their interest and their attention. It just doesn't give you a lot of respect. Part of our job as data experts is to help people to use data better and that's the conversation that should be had. But, the second you say things like data literacy, the tone of the conversation totally shifts.” – Wendy Batchelder--------Time Stamps:*(06:41): Data strategy at Salesforce*(26:37): Keeping up with connectivity*(28:40): Data literacy denial*(35:22): DE&I in data*(47:18): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksFollow Wendy on LinkedInRead Wendy’s book Data Governance Handbook

Jul 5, 2023 • 46min
Asking the Right Questions with Frank Farrall, Principal, AI/Data Ecosystems at Deloitte
Before search engines, we had to rely on memory and investigation to answer our questions. Then, search engines made answers instantly available. Now, in the age of AI, we have to engineer our questions to get the best results.Frank Farrall, Deloitte's Strategy & Analytics Ecosystems and Alliances Leader, knows that asking the right questions is just as critical as knowing the answers. Frank is a global business builder with 20 years of experience helping clients and startups become billion-dollar businesses through AI and digital transformation.In this episode, Satyen and Frank discuss identifying worthy investments, the sexiness of prompt engineering, and efficient engagement with AI.--------“I think in a lot of cases, prompt engineering will at least become a skill that knowledge workers, creative workers use to get an outcome from the technology. I think some people will be highly, highly specialized. I actually think prompts are going to have value in organizations and I think prompt libraries and how you manage prompts will become a set of IP and something that's highly valuable inside organizations. I think prompt engineering has a very significant future ahead of it. I think all of us are going to have to learn some level of prompt engineering to be effective in the future.” – Frank Farrall--------Time Stamps:*(02:42): Defining the AI ecosystem*(07:55): How to identify a worthy investment*(23:23): How “sexy” is prompt engineering?*(41:44): The future of generative AI*(44:43): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksFollow Frank on LinkedIn

Jun 21, 2023 • 42min
Building the Company You Wish You Could Buy From with Mike Capone, CEO of Qlik
As folks in the data space, we’re introverts by nature. But, getting out of our comfort zone can open you up to endless possibilities. As one person who’s gone from CIO to CEO can tell you, the key to growth is getting comfortable with feeling uncomfortable.That person is Mike Capone, CEO of Qlik, where he’s revolutionizing the business intelligence landscape through data. In this episode, Mike shares with Satyen how his decades of experience in product development, data science, and go-to-market operations influence his role as CEO today. Satyen and Mike discuss transitioning from CIO to CEO, navigating economic downturns, and stepping out of your comfort zone.--------“Now is the time to get closer to your best customers. They're the ones who sustain you through these periods of economic ups and downs. The reality is for both of us and both of our companies, companies need data and analytics now more than ever. How are you going to navigate this uncertainty? You're going to navigate it through data. The conversation like, ‘Hey, we don't want to spend any more money on data and analytics because the environment is tough right now,’ is actually counterintuitive. The reality is you need data and you need real-time data to get through it because your old data models are useless.” – Mike Capone--------Time Stamps:*(02:51): The growth of Qlik*(08:37): The relationship between private equity and software*(20:00): From CIO to CEO*(27:29): Navigating rough economic times with data and analytics*(33:10): Maintaining long-term landscape leadership*(40:24): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksFollow Mike on LinkedInFollow Mike on Twitter

Jun 7, 2023 • 48min
Start with Stories, End with Data with Ashish Thusoo, GM of AI/ML at AWS
As human beings, we’re not accustomed to talking about data. In order to learn about new subjects, we traditionally use stories. However, bridging the gap between data and stories allows us to cross that barrier and create data-driven organizations.In this episode, Satyen interviews Ashish Thusoo, GM of AI and ML at AWS. Previously, Ashish was the Founder and CEO of Qubole, a pioneering cloud data lake platform. He also served Facebook as the Engineering Manager of Data Infrastructure where he co-created Apache Hive with the aim to democratize data access and analytics. Satyen and Ashish discuss the accelerated push to the cloud, building a data culture, and how the economic climate is impacting customers.--------“You have to remember, human beings are trained from the get-go to talk about stories, not data. That's how we learn. It takes special discipline to bring the conversation back to data, saying that, ‘You have this anecdote somewhere. Get me the data that proves or disproves it.’ That specific mindset has got to be inserted in the organization, and that's how it becomes data-driven. It's a very fine line, but if you cross that line, essentially you become a data-driven organization. But, if you stay on the side of anecdotes and stories, then you can't bridge that.” – Ashish Thusoo--------Time Stamps:*(02:33): The SQL excitement that powered Hive *(13:42): The evolution of Qubole’s founder hypothesis *(22:48): Navigating Amazon with AI/ML *(31:41): The future of AI/ML investment*(42:01): People are the foundation of the data culture*(45:57): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksFollow Ashish on LinkedInLearn more about AI/ML services on AWS

May 24, 2023 • 50min
The Bazaar in the Cathedral with Matei Zaharia, CTO & Co-founder at Databricks and Creator of Apache Spark
When building a data platform, it’s important to stay true to your vision. Whether that's through creating a definitive user experience or an open platform that allows people to build upon it, you’re constructing a cathedral. This cathedral is sophisticated and dependable, and allows for a bazaar of business intelligence, machine learning, and AI use cases.In this episode, Satyen interviews Matei Zaharia, Chief Technologist and Co-founder of Databricks. Matei is an open source trailblazer and the creator of Apache Spark, a widely used framework for distributed data processing. He is also an Associate Professor of Computer Science at Stanford University where he leads various data management and machine learning projects. Matei and Satyen discuss the Databricks and Alation partnership, exploring how platforms can help companies own their data, and consider the value of democratizing open source large language models.--------“One of the early stories about open source has been this thing about the cathedral and the bazaar. The cathedral is the thing that's all designed by one person, maybe. It's extremely coherent and so on, but also takes forever to build. And when you go there, there's one message you're hearing. And then the bazaar is the open thing. You don't know who's going to show up each day, but there'll be some really interesting goods and things that you just wouldn't see anywhere else. If you just want to get started and get stuff done, follow the defaults in the product and it'll work. But, we want to be open to some of that innovation and let people bring that in.” – Matei Zaharia--------Time Stamps:*(01:33): The story behind Spark*(11:56): Solving for user problems versus product vision*(20:12): The cathedral and the bazaar of open source*(24:04): Matei explains the Databricks Unity Catalog*(31:04): The Databricks and Alation partnership*(43:36): The data culture at Databricks*(48:21): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksFollow Matei on LinkedInFollow Matei on TwitterLearn more about Databricks’s Unity CatalogLearn more about Alation + Databricks

May 10, 2023 • 55min
From the Outskirts to the Center with Jitendra Putcha, EVP & Global Head of Data Analytics & AI at LTIMindtree
Once considered the outcast of Silicon Valley, data has metamorphosed as a cool kid that everyone wants to be friends with. In the last decade, data has solidified itself as the key to success in business. The same shift can be said for India who primarily operated behind the scenes, has emerged as a leader in innovation.In this episode, Satyen sits down with Jitendra Putcha, EVP and Global Head of Data, Analytics, and AI at LTIMindtree. As an industry leader for over 20 years, he has solved data and analytics challenges for global companies by creating innovative next-generation solutions. Satyen and Jitendra discuss data platform modernization, data quality initiatives, and the future of AI and data science.--------“Gone are the days of looking at India as the back office and factory models, to looking at this is an opportunity. There are two, three reasons for it. One reason is about the startup ecosystem and the unicorns we started building, created aspirations for people and created curiosity for individuals even during school itself. Which wasn't the case a couple of decades back. That's one. The second is the promotion during school itself to encourage people to be driving incubation startups and throw their ideas has dramatically increased, there are many forums today. So, that's the second one. The third one, even the large SIs like us, today we have what we call entrepreneurs. Within our own ecosystem, people can come out with an idea, put an entire canvas and business plan, go to the board, get the funding, create that as an incubator, and go and test the market. If it is working, create that as an entire product line. I think when the young generation is able to get exposure, already been educated, and also they see in their workplace this kind of opportunity, I think that's the biggest benefit the younger generation is able to do, which probably wasn't the case before.” – Jitendra Putcha--------Time Stamps:*(09:57): The evolution of service providers*(13:22): The transformation of the Indian talent base*(30:52): The data marketplace and “data as a service”*(46:35): Defining the ROI of data tools*(53:17): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksFollow Jitendra on LinkedInFollow Jitendra on TwitterLearn more about Snowflake Summit

Apr 26, 2023 • 59min
Get Out of the Building! with Tricia Wang, Co-founder of Sudden Compass
There are some things that just can’t be quantified by data; imagine trying to portray your childhood in a spreadsheet! Yet these experiences are valuable. How can data teams capture qualitative information – and use it to steer the business? It starts with getting your data team out of the building. Only then can they gain insights about customer pain points and what the data is failing to tell us.In this episode, Satyen interviews Tricia Wang, a “tech ethnographer” and co-founder of Sudden Compass, a consulting firm helping companies improve their business through thick data. She also co-founded CRADL (Crypto Research and Design Lab) with the mission to create inclusive and sustainable growth of the crypto ecosystem. Satyen and Tricia discuss the power of thick data, the value of digital personhood, and the dangers of quantification bias.--------“Your job as a Chief Data Officer or a data leader in the company is, data is only part of your job generating the quantification to reflect back to the company. The other half is the bleeding edges around communication and helping the rest of your business, your business counterparts, to understand the value of this in a way that isn't scary and where they can see that it actually is going to improve their business. [...] But that takes a really brave kind of leader to work that way because it's not just about having the light shine on you, but it's about you making others and your company successful.” – Tricia Wang--------Time Stamps:*(01:35): The role of a tech ethnographer*(15:29): Tricia gives a rundown of thick data*(23:06): Understanding customers by getting out of the building*(32:36): Why quantification bias is dangerous to growth*(44:48): The importance of digital personhood*(57:22): Satyen’s Takeaways--------SponsorThis podcast is presented by Alation.Learn more:* Subscribe to the newsletter: https://www.alation.com/podcast/* Alation’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/alation/* Satyen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssangani/--------LinksFollow Tricia on LinkedInFollow Tricia on TwitterWatch Tricia’s TED TalkVisit Tricia’s websiteLearn more about Sudden Compass