
Giant Robots Smashing Into Other Giant Robots
A podcast about the design, development, and business of great software. Each week thoughtbot is joined by the people who build and nurture the products we love.
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Jul 3, 2025 • 40min
581: Crafting Community & Code: Henrique Cardoso on Euruko 2025 & BSPK
Sami talks with Henrique Cardoso about his unified commerce platform BSPK and the challenges of organising a large scale developer conference.
Henrique talks in depth about the bespoke nature of BSPK and how it differs from other CRM tools, how they went about unifying all the major commerce platforms to fit under one platform, as well as the hurdles he faced when tasked with re-engaging a community of developers with his upcoming conference Euroko 2025.
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Check out BSPK to find how it can enhance and personalise your business to deliver the best possible experience for you and your customers.
If you’re a developer based in Europe consider checking out [Euruko 2025](2025.euruko.org/) to connect and meet with other Ruby devs this September!
You can connect with Henrique Cardoso through his socials on X or LinkedIn, or get in touch with him directly via email - organisers@euruko.org
Your host for this episode has been Sami Birnbaum. Sami can be found through his website or via LinkedIn.
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Jun 26, 2025 • 35min
580: Taking the complexity out of toddler's nutrition with Kay Lim
Will gets to grips with nutrition as he talks with Kay Lim, founder of Heartful Sprout, about the importance of feeding our kids right.
Kay relives her journey of moving to the US, learning a whole new language from scratch and how becoming a new mom far from home sparked the idea for Heartful Sprout.
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Interested in giving your children the best start to food? Why not check out Heartful Sprout and use exclusive promo code GIANTROBOTS for 80% off your first 6 month subscription to their app!
If you’d like to provide some feedback on Heartful Sprout or just want to talk more about nutrition why not get in touch with Kay through LinkedIn, or directly via email - kay@heartfulsprout.com
Your host for this episode has been Will Larry, you can find and connect with Will over on LinkedIn.
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Jun 19, 2025 • 47min
579: Products you don't want to build with Sami and Chad
Chad and Sami get creative as they discuss the product ideas they would potentially like to develop.
Sami lays out his plan to rejuvenate the queuing system at theme parks, Chad has a bone to pick with his CRM tool, and the pair breakdown why success for a new business is not always as black and white as it might seem.
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You can find Chad all over social media as @cpytel and Sami through his website. You can also connect with them both over on their LinkedIn pages - Chad - Sami.
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Jun 12, 2025 • 33min
578: We need to understand how it works with Luisa Herrmann
Chad and Luisa Herrmann, founder of AINovva, sit down and attempt to demystify the “magic” of AI.
Luisa lays out the ramifications of working with AI on a daily basis, why it’s a tool that shouldn't be utilised just because you can, the bias built into every AI system, as well as the ever expanding AI bubble and what the final outcome of its rapid growth could look like down the road.
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If you’re interested in using AI for your project but not sure if it’s the right fit or where to start, consider getting in touch with Luisa to discuss your needs either through her website, connecting on LinkedIn, or directly via email - luisa@ainovva.com
Your host for this episode has been Chad Pytel. You can find Chad all over social media as @cpytel, or over on LinkedIn.
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Jun 5, 2025 • 40min
577: Driving Innovation: Jack Burrows on Cars, Tech, and the Future of Carwow
It’s time to start your engines as Sami talks with Jack Burrows, product director at CarWow, about the tricky world of buying and selling cars.
Jack covers the significant change CarWow has seen since he started with the company, the challenges they faced in order to keep up with the competition, and the importance of developing a platform that serves everyone in the buying and selling process.
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If you’re at a loose end after listening to today's episode why not join Sami in checking out CarWow’s YouTube channel! If you’re looking to purchase a new car or sell your old one, head over to CarWow’s site to see how they can help you!
You can also connect with Jack directly over on LinkedIn.
Your host for this episode has been Sami Birnbaum. Sami can be found through his website or via LinkedIn.
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May 29, 2025 • 44min
576: I never get bored with John Nunemaker
Chad catches up with John Nunemaker, self-employed programer on a plethora of products, about all things technical to gain insight into life as a self-employed developer.
The pair share their experiences as rail devs and what keeps them using Ruby, John’s journey to success, his recent acquisition of Fireside (the podcast platform that hosts this very podcast!) and the lessons he learnt along the way.
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If you’re interested in any of the projects John mentioned in this episode, you can head to them directly here - Fireside Podcast Hosting - BoxOut - Flipper
Alternatively you can keep up to date with the work that John does through his website, podcast, or by connecting directly with him through LinkedIn.
Your host for this episode has been Chad Pytel. You can find Chad all over social media as @cpytel, or over on LinkedIn.
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May 22, 2025 • 40min
575: I might have to get dressed for these with Chad, Sami and Will
The Giant Robots hosts are back together for more off the wall discussion about construction, movies and a special announcement!
Find out what big purchase Sami made through the company during the last UK heatwave, why Chad has a listing on IMDB, and our three hosts turn film critics as they share thoughts on their favourite films.
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If you haven’t already, be sure to check out thoughtbot’s YouTube channel!
You can find Chad all over social media as @cpytel and Sami through his website. You can also connect with the trio via their LinkedIn pages - Chad - Will - Sami.
If you would like to support the show, head over to our GitHub page, or check out our website.
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May 15, 2025 • 37min
574: Developer Life After Design Systems with Kathryn Grayson Nanz
Will talks with Kathryn Grayson Nanz, Senior Designer and Developer Advocate at Progress, about the influence and power design can have when developing new software.
Kathryn breaks down what it means to be a designer advocate and the role it plays within software development, the importance of design systems, designing for accessibility and knowing when to ask the right questions at the just the right time.
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You can try out KendoReact’s starter library for free here! Or check out some of the other development tools and services Kathryn and the team offer at Progress. Alternatively, you can reach out to Kathryn directly through LinkedIn.
Your host for this episode has been Will Larry, you can find and connect with Will over on LinkedIn.
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May 8, 2025 • 40min
573: Mocking the Future: Tom Akehurst on WireMock and API Testing
Sami talks with Tom Akehurst, Co-Founder of WireMock, about the delay and disconnect between front and back end development and how WireMock set out to bridge the two together.
Tom explains how his time working for Disney paved the way for WireMock, the different processes of mocking and testing APIs, and provides some useful advice on how to improve your testing process as a whole.
Sami also puts Tom’s knowledge to the test as he seeks some feedback on a real world example he’s been working on recently.
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Interested in improving your testing and mocking process? Try out WireMock for free, and get to grips with what it has to offer through WireMock Cloud Academy. If you get stuck at any point you can join their Slack channel and ask the community for advice!
Want to get in touch with Tom directly? You can contact him through LinkedIn or via email - tom@wiremock.org
Your host for this episode has been Sami Birnbaum. Sami can be found through his website or via LinkedIn.
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May 1, 2025 • 35min
572: Close To Your Customers with Sarah Merlin
Chad talks with Sarah Merlin of IndiMade about what goes into revitalising an e-commerce platform and how they’re staying true to their customers.
Discover the challenges involved with such a big migration and the efforts needed to bring it into the modern day, the importance of communication with your team at all times, as well as well as the core values they work to in order to deliver the best possible experience across their business.
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If you would like to work with IndiMade and think your product might be be a good fit, reach out to Sarah via linkedIn or thorough IndiMade’s website.
Your host for this episode has been Chad Pytel. You can find Chad all over social media as @cpytel, or over on LinkedIn.
If you would like to support the show, head over to our GitHub page, or check out our website.
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