The Edu Salon
with Deborah Netolicky
The Edu Salon podcast is a space for connection and conversation around education. Each episode, Dr Deborah Netolicky talks with a global education thought leader to provide insights into where education is now and where it might move next.
Like the French salons of the 18th century, this podcast is a place for a diverse range of voices to explore ideas and generate discussion in order to change the world for the better. It has at its heart a focus on humanity, equity, democracy, and the experiences of young people.
Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Soundcloud, Amazon Music and Audible.
Join the conversation on Instagram @theedusalon and by connecting with Deb on LinkedIn.
Like the French salons of the 18th century, this podcast is a place for a diverse range of voices to explore ideas and generate discussion in order to change the world for the better. It has at its heart a focus on humanity, equity, democracy, and the experiences of young people.
Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Soundcloud, Amazon Music and Audible.
Join the conversation on Instagram @theedusalon and by connecting with Deb on LinkedIn.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Feb 3, 2024 • 45min
Rachel Lofthouse on mentoring and coaching in education
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Rachel Lofthouse about mentoring and coaching in education. Rachel is Professor of Teacher Education in the Carnegie School of Education at Leeds Beckett University, and the Director of CollectiveED: The Centre for Mentoring, Coaching and Professional Learning. She has been an educator for more than 30 years, including as a Geography teacher, a teacher educator, and a researcher. Her research focuses on professional learning, especially how teachers learn and how they can be supported to put that learning into practice. Rachel works with student teachers and their school-based mentors, teacher coaches, postgraduate students and school leaders as well as a range of educational practitioners, including those interested in community curriculum development and professional coaching for speech and language support in multicultural early years and primary settings. She encourages professionals to find practices through which they can build their workplace expertise while developing critical reflection and their ability to contribute to, and draw productively on, the knowledge base for teaching and learning. Rachel has published in peer-reviewed journals on the subjects of coaching and mentoring, the innovative use of video to support practice development, practitioner enquiry and professional learning.
Want to know more?
- www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/staff/professor-rachel-lofthouse/
- www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/research/collectived/
Join the conversation on social media.
- Rachel: @DrRLofthouse on Twitter.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Dec 16, 2023 • 44min
Pat Thomson on school leadership and arts-rich education
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Pat Thomson about school leadership and arts-rich education. Pat is a Professor of Education at the University of Nottingham; the University of South Australia, and Deakin University. She is on a number of editorial boards, is Convenor of the Centre for Research in Arts, Creativity and Literacy, and is author of the academic writing blog ‘patter’ which is archived by the British Library and followed by academics around the world. Prior to taking up her role as an academic in the UK, Pat was principal of Paralowie School for eleven years, deputy principal at The Parks, and founding Coordinator of Bowden Brompton Community School. She has represented Australian principals on national policy making bodies and at international conferences, and was President of the South Australian Secondary Principals Association. She is a Fellow of the UK Academy of Social Science and the Royal Society of Arts, and has won numerous awards, including a Public Service Medal, a Fulbright Scholarship, and the Garth Boomer Curriculum prize from the Australian Curriculum Studies Association.
Want to know more?
https://patthomson.net/
Join the conversation on social media.
- Pat: @ThomsonPat on Twitter, @patricia.thomson on Instagram and @Patter on Facebook.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Nov 11, 2023 • 45min
Pasi Sahlberg on reinventing schooling
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Pasi Sahlberg about reinventing schooling and from where we might draw our inspiration to make schooling better for students. Pasi is a Finnish educator and author whose work spans teaching, teacher education, policy making and advising schools and education system leaders around the world. He served as a senior education specialist at the World Bank in Washington DC, lead education specialist at the European Training Foundation in Italy, director general at the Finland’s Ministry of Education and Culture, and visiting professor of Practice at Harvard University. He is a recipient of a huge array of awards for his service to education and his educational writing. His most recent books include "Let the Children Play: How more play will save our schools and help children thrive", "Finnish Lessons 3.0: What Can the World Learn from Educational Change in Finland”, and "In Teachers We Trust: The Finnish way to world-class schools". Pasi is currently Professor of Educational Leadership at the University of Melbourne, Australia.
Want to know more?
- https://pasisahlberg.com/
Join the conversation on social media.
- Pasi: @pasi_sahlberg on Twitter.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Oct 15, 2023 • 44min
Amy Green on individual and collective wellbeing
Deborah Netolicky talks with Amy Green about wellbeing of individuals and in workplaces, especially for staff in schools. Amy is a past teacher and school leader, and a speaker, facilitator, coach and author of ‘Teacher Wellbeing: A real conversation for teachers and leaders’. As founder of The Wellness Strategy--with a background in teaching, leadership, human behaviour and positive psychology--Amy's work is focused on improving workplace culture and wellbeing in schools and organisations.
Want to know more?
- https://www.thewellnessstrategy.com.au/
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/amygreen/
Join the conversation on social media.
- Amy: @_thewellnessstrategy on Instagram.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Sep 16, 2023 • 45min
Lauren Sayer on curriculum, innovation and neurodivergence
Deborah Netolicky talks with Lauren Sayer about innovation, curriculum, teaching, neurodivergence and change. Lauren is currently Director of Curriculum at the Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority (VCAA). Previously, she served as the Executive Director of Research and Innovation at Melbourne Girls Grammar, and founded the Melbourne Girls Grammar Institute, a global educational community hub dedicated to innovation and leadership in education practices. In addition to her school leadership roles, Lauren was previously Head of Teaching and Learning at the Royal Children's Hospital Education Institute where she championed the cause for world-class pedagogy and continuous learning for those students who could not attend school in a traditional setting.
Want to know more?
https://au.linkedin.com/in/lauren-sayer-gaicd-facel-34637919
Join the conversation on social media.
- Lauren: @Lilylauren on Twitter and Instagram.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Aug 20, 2023 • 46min
Jim Knight on humanising conversations and instructional coaching
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Jim Knight about instructional coaching, trust, credibility, humility and mutually humanising conversations. Jim is Founder and Senior Partner of Instructional Coaching Group (ICG), a research associate at the University of Kansas Center for Research on Learning. He has spent more than two decades studying professional learning and instructional coaching. Jim earned his PhD in Education from the University of Kansas and has won several university teaching, innovation, and service awards. The pioneering work Jim and his colleagues have conducted has led to many innovations that are now central to professional development in schools. Jim’s books include ‘Instructional Coaching’, ‘Focus on Teaching’, ‘Unmistakable Impact, ‘High-Impact Instruction, ‘Better Conversations’, ‘The Impact Cycle, and ‘The Definitive Guide to Instructional Coaching’. Jim conducts coaching workshops, hosts the Facebook Live series ‘Coaching Conversations’, and provides consulting for coaching programs around the world.
Want to know more?
- https://www.instructionalcoaching.com/
- https://www.facebook.com/instructional.coaching
Join the conversation on social media.
- Jim: @jimknight99 on Twitter and Instagram.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Jul 8, 2023 • 46min
Kevin Richardson on principalship and students as change makers
Deborah Netolicky talks with Kevin Richardson about the joys of principalship, school change, and engaging students as change makers in schools built for the future. Kevin has been a Principal at Immanuel College since 2002. Prior to this he helped established the internationally acclaimed Technology School of the Future and held senior executive positions in the WA, NSW, and SA Education Departments. Kevin is a highly versatile educator with leadership and management expertise across a broad range of domains including governance, education, technology, and consultancy; in private, public and not for profit sectors. Kevin has been a leader nation-wide with respect to changes in teaching and learning, particularly in the area of technology, learning environments and student advocacy. He is highly regarded for his work on futures-oriented thinking and its implications for leaders and schools. Recognition of his outstanding leadership has seen him receive the Australian Centenary Medal in 2001 for significant contribution to Education, a Presidential citation for National Leadership in Education from ACEL and the Mary McKillop medal (Eminent Educator of the Year) from the Australian College of Education. He has been awarded the John Laing Award for Exceptional Educational Leadership from the Australian Principals‘ Association.
Join the conversation on social media.
- Kevin: on LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/kevin-richardson-13626023
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Jun 3, 2023 • 44min
Helen Kelly on educator wellbeing and burnout
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Helen Kelly about educator wellbeing and burnout. Helen is a school wellbeing expert, author, consultant, speaker and researcher. She led international schools in Asia and Europe, until she retired from her work as a principal in 2020. She has been conducting research in the field of educator wellbeing for almost a decade. Prior to becoming an educator, she spent ten years as a lawyer in the field of workplace health and safety. Helen draws upon her knowledge of evidenced-based practices, her understanding of the needs of school communities and her legal background to deliver approaches that are strategic, effective and have long-term impact on individual wellbeing and school culture. Helen's first book ‘School Leaders Matter; Preventing Burnout, Managing Stress and Improving Wellbeing’ was published in 2023.
Want to know more?
- www.drhelenkelly.com
Join the conversation on social media.
- Helen: @drhkelly on Twitter and Facebook.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

May 6, 2023 • 47min
Chris Munro on coaching, culture and conversation
Deborah Netolicky talks with Chris Munro about coaching, mentoring and cultures of intentional professional conversation. Chris is an educator first and foremost, with extensive experience in supporting and leading the development of teachers and school leaders drawn from more than 30 years in schools in Australia and Scotland, in Initial Teacher Education, and as a coach and facilitator. Chris followed his passion by joining Growth Coaching International
(GCI) in 2017 and he now has the privilege of leading this world-class organisation as it works to fulfil its purpose: to enhance the quality of conversations in education communities so that learners, educators and leaders can thrive. Chris continues to coach education leaders and is involved in the design and delivery of coaching and mentoring
training courses and consultancy projects across Australia and internationally. He has a particular interest in the impact of coaching on school learning culture, regularly writes and speaks about coaching and mentoring in education, and presents at major conferences in the UK, Australia and the USA.
Want to know more?
- https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chris-Munro-4
Join the conversation on social media.
- Chris: @CmunroOz on Twitter
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram

Apr 1, 2023 • 42min
Summer Howarth on designing learning, partnering with students, and trusting teachers
Deborah Netolicky talks with Summer Howarth about learning design, teaching, student voice, and really partnering with young people in the work of education. Summer spends her days championing teachers and positioning students as partners in learning. She is a key figure behind some of Australia’s most forward-thinking learning and innovation strategies for education systems including positioning students as decision makers in their learning with the Northern Territory Learning Commission, the NSW DOVES the NT Youth Voice Peak Group. She has delivered projects and professional development alongside teams including ACER, ACEL, CSE, The Global Education Taskforce on the UNSDGs, IDEO’s Teacher Guild, and Melbourne University, as well as extensive student voice consultation for governments including NT, SA and NSW.
Want to know more?
- Eventful Learning: https://eventfullearning.co/
- NTLC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l37Hx2yLOhg&t=45s
- DOVES: https://education.nsw.gov.au/student-wellbeing/student-voices/minister-s-student-council/about-the-ministers-student-council
- Student Voice in Your School (a recording for VIC State Principals) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zviVAswHmTY&t=385s
- SA Student Forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcod2uzhIKs
- Be You Educator Support: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkNpRhsDVvE&list=PLsJGIj4uveIasik_VnGwbMO6HDIOWkgD6&index=2
Join the conversation on social media.
- Summer: @EduSum on Twitter and @sumhow on Instagram.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.


