
The Edu Salon
The Edu Salon podcast is a space for connection and conversation around education. Each episode, Dr Deborah Netolicky talks with a global education thought leader to provide insights into where education is now and where it might move next.
Like the French salons of the 18th century, this podcast is a place for a diverse range of voices to explore ideas and generate discussion in order to change the world for the better. It has at its heart a focus on humanity, equity, democracy, and the experiences of young people.
Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Soundcloud, Amazon Music and Audible.
Join the conversation on Instagram @theedusalon and by connecting with Deb on LinkedIn.
Latest episodes

Aug 3, 2024 • 49min
Fiona Hutton on education leader search, recruitment and support
Deborah Netolicky talks with Fiona Hutton about search, recruitment and support of educational leaders. Fiona is an educator, executive search professional and keynote speaker. She is the founding Director of Hutton Consulting Australia and a Victorian Branch executive member of the Australian Council of Educational Leaders. Her client portfolio includes leading schools in the Independent, Government and Catholic sectors in addition to education related organisations at a system level. Fiona is actively involved in developing leadership capacity at Senior and Executive levels through bespoke PD programs, individual career conversations, 360 degree reviews and constructive feedback from search processes. She was nominated for Telstra Business Woman of the Year (2019) and was a finalist (2020, 2021) in the small business category.
Want to know more?
- https://hutton.education/
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/fionahutton/
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- Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.

Jul 6, 2024 • 46min
Jared Cooney Horvath on brain science and learning
Jared Cooney Horvath is a neuroscientist and author focused on translating brain science into effective learning strategies. He discusses the vital interplay between neuroscience and education, stressing the need for a balance between scientific insights and teachers' expertise. Additionally, he critiques the role of technology in education, advocating for personal connections over digital distractions. Jared also explores the concept of 'emergence' in learning and emphasizes the importance of diffused thought for enhancing creativity. His journey reflects a flexible approach to career paths and challenges traditional views of genius.

Jun 1, 2024 • 46min
Karen Edge on diversity, kindness and education workplaces
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Karen Edge about leadership, diversity, kindness and education workplaces. Karen is a Reader in Educational Leadership at University College London. Before joining UCL, Karen worked in senior advisory roles for the Ontario Minister of Education and the Centre for Educational Leadership at UC-Santa Barbara. She also worked as a Research Fellow at the World Bank in Washington DC. Karen leads the Global City Leaders Project working with 60+ Generation X school leaders in London, New York and Toronto to understand how their careers, leadership and future aspirations may influence future of urban and national education systems. Karen consults domestically and internationally for organisations on a range of strategy, leadership and research topics.
Want to know more?
https://profiles.ucl.ac.uk/48011-karen-edge
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- Karen: @drkarenedge on X.
- Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.

May 4, 2024 • 42min
Christine Grice on decentring leadership
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Christine Grice about decentring leadership, leading the child, and leading together. Christine a Senior Lecturer in Educational Leadership, and postgraduate coordinator of the Master of Education Programs at the University of Sydney. Christine’s research is centred in the practices of educational leadership with a focus on leading pedagogy in schools and systems. Christine is passionate about supporting educators to connect theory, philosophy, and practice for purposeful leading in her teaching, research, and service to the education community. She works with school and system leaders at all levels on research and professional learning partnerships that seek to understand more about leading together. Christine brings almost 30 years of educational leadership and research experience in the government and the non-government sector in both Australia and the UK at early childhood, primary, secondary, and tertiary level to her work. She has over a decade of leadership experience in schools, and has held previous appointments as head of school, deputy head and director of curriculum.
Want to know more?
- https://www.sydney.edu.au/arts/about/our-people/academic-staff/christine-grice.html
- https://www.routledge.com/Decentring-Leadership-Rethinking-Leading-in-Education-Contexts/Grice-Lizier-Francisco/p/book/9781032599441
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- Christine: @Christine_Grice on X.
- Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.

27 snips
Apr 6, 2024 • 50min
Simon Breakspear on implementing change
In this conversation, Simon Breakspear, a seasoned researcher and educator, shares insights from over a decade of experience in educational change. He emphasizes the importance of collaborative professional development to create sustainable educational communities. Simon introduces the 'pruning principle,' advocating for the removal of ineffective programs to enhance focus. He discusses the value of maintaining a 90% workload to prevent burnout and promotes 'calm progress' as a way to foster long-term growth in education. Personal anecdotes add a relatable touch!

Mar 2, 2024 • 48min
Jill Berry on headship and leading in schools
Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Jill Berry about leading in schools, including principalship and ‘making the leap’ to being a school head. Jill taught for thirty years in six different schools, both state and independent, and was a head for the last ten years of her time in schools. She has also taught at GCSE and A-Level in the evenings for several years. Since then, Jill completed a doctorate that explored the transition into headship, wrote a book about it, ‘Making The Leap: Moving from Deputy to Head’, and carried out an extensive range of leadership development work. She has also given a TEDx presentation on the subject ‘Take a Second Look: Bring Out the Best in Yourself and Others’, and has published three short novels.
Want to know more?
- https://jillberry102.blog/
- https://www.crownhouse.co.uk/making-the-leap
- https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dresser-OneWord-Button-Box-ebook/dp/B0B1F2BPJC
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- Jill: @jillberry102 on Twitter.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Feb 3, 2024 • 45min
Rachel Lofthouse on mentoring and coaching in education
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Rachel Lofthouse about mentoring and coaching in education. Rachel is Professor of Teacher Education in the Carnegie School of Education at Leeds Beckett University, and the Director of CollectiveED: The Centre for Mentoring, Coaching and Professional Learning. She has been an educator for more than 30 years, including as a Geography teacher, a teacher educator, and a researcher. Her research focuses on professional learning, especially how teachers learn and how they can be supported to put that learning into practice. Rachel works with student teachers and their school-based mentors, teacher coaches, postgraduate students and school leaders as well as a range of educational practitioners, including those interested in community curriculum development and professional coaching for speech and language support in multicultural early years and primary settings. She encourages professionals to find practices through which they can build their workplace expertise while developing critical reflection and their ability to contribute to, and draw productively on, the knowledge base for teaching and learning. Rachel has published in peer-reviewed journals on the subjects of coaching and mentoring, the innovative use of video to support practice development, practitioner enquiry and professional learning.
Want to know more?
- www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/staff/professor-rachel-lofthouse/
- www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/research/collectived/
Join the conversation on social media.
- Rachel: @DrRLofthouse on Twitter.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Dec 16, 2023 • 44min
Pat Thomson on school leadership and arts-rich education
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Pat Thomson about school leadership and arts-rich education. Pat is a Professor of Education at the University of Nottingham; the University of South Australia, and Deakin University. She is on a number of editorial boards, is Convenor of the Centre for Research in Arts, Creativity and Literacy, and is author of the academic writing blog ‘patter’ which is archived by the British Library and followed by academics around the world. Prior to taking up her role as an academic in the UK, Pat was principal of Paralowie School for eleven years, deputy principal at The Parks, and founding Coordinator of Bowden Brompton Community School. She has represented Australian principals on national policy making bodies and at international conferences, and was President of the South Australian Secondary Principals Association. She is a Fellow of the UK Academy of Social Science and the Royal Society of Arts, and has won numerous awards, including a Public Service Medal, a Fulbright Scholarship, and the Garth Boomer Curriculum prize from the Australian Curriculum Studies Association.
Want to know more?
https://patthomson.net/
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- Pat: @ThomsonPat on Twitter, @patricia.thomson on Instagram and @Patter on Facebook.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Nov 11, 2023 • 45min
Pasi Sahlberg on reinventing schooling
Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Pasi Sahlberg about reinventing schooling and from where we might draw our inspiration to make schooling better for students. Pasi is a Finnish educator and author whose work spans teaching, teacher education, policy making and advising schools and education system leaders around the world. He served as a senior education specialist at the World Bank in Washington DC, lead education specialist at the European Training Foundation in Italy, director general at the Finland’s Ministry of Education and Culture, and visiting professor of Practice at Harvard University. He is a recipient of a huge array of awards for his service to education and his educational writing. His most recent books include "Let the Children Play: How more play will save our schools and help children thrive", "Finnish Lessons 3.0: What Can the World Learn from Educational Change in Finland”, and "In Teachers We Trust: The Finnish way to world-class schools". Pasi is currently Professor of Educational Leadership at the University of Melbourne, Australia.
Want to know more?
- https://pasisahlberg.com/
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- Pasi: @pasi_sahlberg on Twitter.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Oct 15, 2023 • 44min
Amy Green on individual and collective wellbeing
Deborah Netolicky talks with Amy Green about wellbeing of individuals and in workplaces, especially for staff in schools. Amy is a past teacher and school leader, and a speaker, facilitator, coach and author of ‘Teacher Wellbeing: A real conversation for teachers and leaders’. As founder of The Wellness Strategy--with a background in teaching, leadership, human behaviour and positive psychology--Amy's work is focused on improving workplace culture and wellbeing in schools and organisations.
Want to know more?
- https://www.thewellnessstrategy.com.au/
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/amygreen/
Join the conversation on social media.
- Amy: @_thewellnessstrategy on Instagram.
- Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.
- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.