
NatSec Matters
Former senior national security officials Michael Allen, Jeremy Bash, and Andrew Shapiro interview top leaders in national security, including intelligence officers, military leaders, and policymakers, on the most critical security challenges of our time. Their interviews offer insights into the world’s most pressing problems and assess the effectiveness of U.S. policy responses. They also explore the biographies and careers of individuals who have devoted their lives to protecting our nation, offering listeners a rare glimpse into the inner workings of national security decision-making.
Latest episodes

Sep 11, 2024 • 39min
Decoding the Minds of World Leaders: Jennifer Welch
Jennifer Welch, a former CIA analyst and current Chief Geoeconomics Analyst for Bloomberg Economics, dives into the intricacies of leadership analysis. She discusses how personal histories shape decision-making among world leaders and the importance of emotional intelligence in diplomacy. Welch shares insights on contrasting leadership styles, particularly between Tsai Ing-wen and Xi Jinping, revealing how these dynamics impact international relations. Additionally, she highlights the vital role of mentorship and personal connections in enhancing diplomatic rapport.

Sep 4, 2024 • 41min
Israel's Intelligence Failures: Uri Bar-Jospeh
In this conversation, Israeli intelligence expert Uri Bar-Joseph analyzes the shocking failures of Israel's intelligence leading up to the October 7 Hamas attack. He emphasizes how a historical focus on military strength overshadowed necessary diplomatic efforts. Bar-Joseph draws parallels to past intelligence oversights and stresses the need for real-time data collection and cultural understanding regarding Hamas. Additionally, he discusses the importance of intellectual humility in analysis, urging a shift toward a more balanced and inclusive approach to national security.

Aug 28, 2024 • 39min
A Window on Russia: Rolf Mowatt-Larssen
Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, a former CIA officer, shares captivating anecdotes revealing the complexities of the Russian mindset, from poignant puppet shows to cultural reflections. He emphasizes how history influences modern Russian geopolitics and the necessity of understanding leaders like Putin through personal experiences. Mowatt-Larssen delves into the psychological impacts of past conflicts on current governance and critiques the regime using metaphors from classic performances. The discussion also touches on the interplay of culture and politics, making for a rich exploration of Russia today.

Aug 21, 2024 • 39min
Dismantling the Khan Nuclear Network: Jim Lawler
Jim Lawler, a former CIA operative, shares gripping tales from his days dismantling the notorious A.Q. Khan network, infamous for its role in global nuclear proliferation. He unveils the complexities of international espionage and negotiations that led to the disarmament of Libya. Lawler discusses the implications of Khan’s actions on world security and offers insights into the psychological nuances of recruiting spies. His experiences highlight the challenges and strategies vital for tackling nuclear threats and securing our future.

Aug 14, 2024 • 39min
Keeping AI in Check: Mary Ellen Callahan
Mary Ellen Callahan, Assistant Secretary for the DHS's Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction Office, discusses the risks AI poses to national security. She shares insights from a recent DHS report focusing on AI's dual nature in addressing and amplifying threats in chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear domains. Emphasizing collaboration, she highlights the need for safety standards and community involvement in technology. Global cooperation is crucial, and adaptive regulations are necessary to manage AI's evolving challenges effectively.

Aug 7, 2024 • 47min
Venezuela's Presidential Election: Pedro Burelli
Pedro Burelli, a seasoned expert on Latin America and Venezuela, offers a captivating dive into the country's tumultuous political landscape. He dissects the disputed July 28 presidential election, where Maduro's claims of victory clash with opposition results. Burelli provides historical insights into Venezuela's alarming transition to a 'mafia state' under previous regimes. He also emphasizes how stability in Venezuela is crucial for U.S. interests, touching on the intertwined issues of organized crime, oil politics, and international relations.

Jul 31, 2024 • 42min
How China Views a Possible Harris Administration & Unpacking July's CCP Meeting: Chris Johnson
Chris Johnson, a former CIA senior China analyst and a CSIS Senior Fellow, shares his insights on China's political landscape and economic challenges. He analyzes the outcomes from the recent CCP plenum, emphasizing Beijing's focus on state-led tech over market reforms. Johnson discusses China's view on the U.S. political scene, particularly regarding a potential Harris administration. He also highlights the country's struggles with overcapacity, demographic decline, and the impact of U.S. sanctions on its tech ambitions.

Jul 24, 2024 • 43min
Update on Ukraine War: Andrea Kendall-Taylor
Former CIA analyst and CNAS Senior Fellow, Andrea Kendall-Taylor, discusses Russia's war on Ukraine and potential U.S. support under a President Harris. Topics include NATO support for Ukraine, Russia's objectives, Putin's motivations, and NATO's role in assisting Ukraine.

Jul 17, 2024 • 51min
China's 'Princeling' & the CCP: Chun Han Wong
Chun Han Wong, a Wall Street Journal Reporter covering Chinese politics, discusses Xi Jinping's leadership and China's Communist Party influence. He explores China's foreign policy adjustments amid economic challenges, risks in its path to superpower status, and the China-Russia geopolitical relationship. Wong provides insights on elite politics, Xi's centralization of power, and China's assertive stance on Taiwan.

Jul 11, 2024 • 42min
North Korea: Sydney Seiler
Sydney Seiler, a top North Korea expert, discusses the recent Russia-North Korea treaty and provocations on the Korean Peninsula. They emphasize the importance of expertise in U.S.-North Korea relationship dynamics and the need for skilled government workforce. The podcast also analyzes the Russian-North Korean security agreement's implications and explores foreign policy nuances and North Korean provocation scenarios.
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