
NatSec Matters
Former senior national security officials Michael Allen, Jeremy Bash, and Andrew Shapiro interview top leaders in national security, including intelligence officers, military leaders, and policymakers, on the most critical security challenges of our time. Their interviews offer insights into the world’s most pressing problems and assess the effectiveness of U.S. policy responses. They also explore the biographies and careers of individuals who have devoted their lives to protecting our nation, offering listeners a rare glimpse into the inner workings of national security decision-making.
Latest episodes

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Nov 20, 2024 • 44min
Inside the Digital Battlefield: Dmitri Alperovitch
Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder of CrowdStrike and cybersecurity expert, shares his insights on modern digital threats and geopolitical tensions. He discusses the U.S.-China rivalry and why Taiwan's significance is escalating. Alperovitch explores the evolution of cyber warfare, emphasizing AI's transformative role in both offensive and defensive strategies. He advocates for a more aggressive U.S. cybersecurity approach while highlighting the importance of collaboration between government and the private sector to safeguard critical infrastructure.

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Nov 13, 2024 • 40min
'Chip War': Chris Miller
Chris Miller, an expert in international history and author of "Chip War," dives into the high-stakes world of semiconductor technology. He discusses the significance of the semiconductor supply chain's fragility and the geopolitical tensions between the U.S. and China. Miller highlights Taiwan's pivotal role in chip manufacturing and the challenges facing industry giants like TSMC. He also touches on the future of AI, quantum computing, and the interconnected dynamics between technological advancements and national security.

Nov 6, 2024 • 57min
'The Axis of Upheaval': Beth Sanner
Beth Sanner, a former CIA analyst and Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Mission Integration, dives into pressing national security challenges for the next U.S. president. She discusses the intricate relationships among Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea, highlighting their potential to disrupt global stability. Sanner analyzes rising tensions in the South China Sea and the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, emphasizing the delicate balance of military cooperation and cyber threats. Her insights illuminate the complex geopolitical landscape the next administration will navigate.

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Oct 30, 2024 • 49min
Securing Critical Mineral Supplies: Christine Michienzi
Christine Michienzi, a former Senior Technology Advisor at the Pentagon, shares her expertise on critical minerals vital for national security. She highlights vulnerabilities in U.S. supply chains for essential minerals like lithium and rare earth elements, noting China's dominance. The discussion includes strategies to enhance domestic production and international partnerships to counter geopolitical challenges. Michienzi emphasizes the urgent need for coordinated efforts to ensure a stable supply chain and safeguard national defense.

Oct 23, 2024 • 47min
Lessons from a Career in Intelligence: Christy Abizaid
Christy Abizaid, former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, shares her invaluable journey from intelligence analyst to policymaker. She discusses the critical lessons learned in counterterrorism, particularly post-9/11. Abizaid emphasizes the necessity of integrity and objectivity in intelligence analysis, especially under political pressures. She highlights the dynamic relationship between intelligence professionals and policymakers, advocating for clear communication to inform decision-making. Her insights reveal the complexity of navigating crises and the evolving landscape of threats.

Oct 16, 2024 • 42min
MasterClass: The Art of Intelligence
Nick Shapiro, former CIA Deputy Chief of Staff, Dawn Meyerriecks, former Deputy Director of CIA for Science and Technology, and Brian Carbaugh, former Director of CIA’s Special Activities Center, share insights from their careers. They discuss the humor and storytelling involved in teaching intelligence concepts. The trio reflects on the importance of teamwork, camaraderie, and moral courage in high-stakes environments. They also touch on translating intelligence skills to everyday life and emphasize the value of diverse expertise in collaborative settings.

Oct 9, 2024 • 47min
Biosecurity: Matt McKnight
Matt McKnight, General Manager for Biosecurity at Ginkgo Bioworks and expert in biological threats, discusses the pressing need for a comprehensive global monitoring system to counteract biosecurity risks. He emphasizes the importance of international cooperation to manage both accidental and malicious biological events. The conversation highlights advances in synthetic biology and their dual-use implications, advocating for proactive frameworks that balance innovation with safety. McKnight also outlines innovative strategies like Traveler Genomic Surveillance to enhance global pathogen detection.

Oct 2, 2024 • 46min
Israel-Lebanon Conflict: Eyal Hulata
Eyal Hulata, the former Israeli National Security Advisor and current fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, discusses the recent military strikes against Hezbollah and their strategic implications for Iran. He emphasizes the importance of a comprehensive agreement for long-term stability in Lebanon and warns of Iran's nuclear ambitions. The conversation delves into the need for international support for the Iranian people, challenges in maintaining security for Israeli civilians, and the broader geopolitical dynamics at play in the region.

Sep 25, 2024 • 38min
Punishing Putin: Stephanie Baker
In this engaging discussion, Stephanie Baker, a senior writer at Bloomberg and author, dives into her book exploring the economic ramifications of sanctions against Russia. She highlights the intricate geopolitical dynamics surrounding these measures and how Russia is navigating unprecedented economic challenges. The conversation unveils the complex interplay of freezing central bank assets, the struggles of Russian elites under sanctions, and the evolving international oil trade, particularly with India and China. Insightful and timely, this dialogue sheds light on the ongoing global economic war.

Sep 18, 2024 • 47min
Michael & Andy: World Roundup
Michael and Andy dive into pressing global issues, exploring the dismal situations in Gaza, Ukraine, and Venezuela. They assess Taiwan's military readiness amidst rising tensions with China and the role of TSMC in the semiconductor world. Personal anecdotes about vacations lead to a thoughtful discussion on geopolitical complexities and the importance of dialogue. The alarming state of democracy in Venezuela and its implications for the region also take center stage, showcasing the intricate interplay of local and global politics.
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